Russian Army collapsing - the unsurprising failure of a police-state

[Aristides]

 

This kind of reminds me of the War of 1812.  Just before it started, Thomas Jefferson said acquiring Canada would merely be a matter of marching. I'm sure Putin thought the same about Ukraine. 

Three years later the War of 1812 ended and the borders didn't change. If we had two governments that had to answer to their people, there would be a chance of a similar result here. Unfortunately we don't.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Aristides

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

So…ur OK with Putin-wars?  Interesting. 

If it's a choice between a fuel and grain shortage, plus the potential for nuclear war...and the pouring cash at a NATO reject?

Yes, of course.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Proxy wars my ass. Ukraine was attacked and is defending itself on its own soil. That isn't about proxy, it's about survival.

It's about what NATO the Biden administration and the British want.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/

They had a deal in the making.

Survival my ass...

 

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

So...ur OK with proxy-wars? Interesting. 

Not as okay as you seem to be with Putin's full-scale invasion.  No doubt you thought you had an intelligent point to make here, but the logic unfortunately isn't there. 

So...yes.  I'm absolutely okay with the West providing material support to the Ukrainians so they can fight off a megalomaniacal ex-KGB colonel with delusions of Empire.  

Edited October 5, 2022 by Moonbox

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Not as okay as you seem to be with Putin's full-scale invasion.  No doubt you thought you had an intelligent point to make here, but the logic unfortunately isn't there. 

So...yes.  I'm absolutely okay with the West providing material support to the Ukrainians so they can fight off a megalomaniacal ex-KGB colonel with delusions of Empire.  

Delusions of an empire? Hilarious. 

"OMG!!! PUTIN WILL ATTACK POLAND NEXT!!!"

Don't you flakes ever tire of being wrong?

I think most sane humans figure avoiding nuclear war over a failed state is an intelligent point. Except flakes who crave more war...

https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/

[sharkman]

NATO’s handlers want to take down Russia, the way Iraq and Libya were taken down.  They’ve been at it for 20 years or so.  But this one is much tougher because a) Russia has a much better military, and b) Putin has been able to outsmart them thus far, prior to Ukraine.  c) Russia has some of the best military technology in the world, including new hypersonic nukes.

[Aristides]

24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Delusions of an empire? Hilarious. 

"OMG!!! PUTIN WILL ATTACK POLAND NEXT!!!"

Don't you flakes ever tire of being wrong?

I think most sane humans figure avoiding nuclear war over a failed state is an intelligent point. Except flakes who crave more war...

https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/

You don't live on a border with Russia. The countries that do know a lot more about Russia than you.

 

You might want to read that foreign affairs article by Fiona Hill that is referenced in the first sentence of the link you posted.

 

Here

Edited October 5, 2022 by Aristides

[Moonbox]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Don't you flakes ever tire of being wrong?

Don't you ever tired of stringing words together that don't make any sense?  What, exactly, do you figure people were wrong about here?  ?

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tentatively-agreed-on-peace-deal-in-april/

"According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held."

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You might want to read that foreign affairs article by Fiona Hill that is referenced in the first sentence of the link you posted.

Here

The thing about clowns like this is that they don't actually read the stuff they try to cite, and even when they do, they're not doing so with any sort of critical lens.  

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You don't live on a border with Russia. The countries that do know a lot more about Russia than you.

 

You might want to read that foreign affairs article by Fiona Hill that is referenced in the first sentence of the link you posted.

 

Here

Psst...don't tell anyone but...

I'm married to a Czech defector. And ya know what? She knows quite a bit about Russia...and is even more vehemently against this folly that I am.

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Don't you ever tired of stringing words together that don't make any sense?  What, exactly, do you figure people were wrong about here?  ?

"According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held."

The thing about clowns like this is that they don't actually read the stuff they try to cite, and even when they do, they're not doing so with any sort of critical lens.  

Having trouble with comprehension? Are you f'ing stupid? Or just mildly handicapped...flaky clown-boy?

Here an observation through a critical lens...the British PM showed up and a peace deal crumbles. Here's another. The only people who could benefit from the sabotage of both Nordstream pipelines, would be the Americans, and the Chinese. Each for different reasons.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Nationalist

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Having trouble with comprehension? Are you f'ing stupid? Or just mildly handicapped...flaky clown-boy?

Yap Yap Yap ?

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Here an observation through a critical lens...the British PM showed up and a peace deal crumbles.

Okay?  Here's what was included in the article:

 “According to multiple former senior US officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement.”

But two things happened, after which a member of the Ukrainian delegation, Mykhailo Podoliak, had to openly admit that it was "not the time" for the meeting of the presidents. 

The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories…

The second "obstacle" to agreements with the Russians arrived in Kyiv on 9 April." (Boris Johnson's arrival).  

 

So three things happened here that apparently scuttled whatever outlined and tentative deal was discussed:

1) The Bucha massacre was revealed 

2) The Russians fled from Ukraine with their tails between their legs (changing all of the calculus) 

3) Boris Johnson explained Putin/Russian weakness to Zelensky and encouraged them to not to accept their demands.  

All three of these things are ample reason for the Ukrainians to want to continue fighting.  

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Here's another. The only people who could benefit from the sabotage of both Nordstream pipelines, would be the Americans, and the Chinese. Each for different reasons.

Or the Russians, who've made clear that energy is a weapon they'll use to retaliate against sanctions.  Putin will never have more leverage in this regard than he does right now.  Europe's dependence on Russian gas will only diminish from here.  He's already a pariah and those pipelines will be worthless hunks of metal in a year or two if he's still in power.  He has nothing to lose from sabotaging them and it's another way of blackmailing Europe and causing general chaos and confusion.   

[DogOnPorch]

9 hours ago, Army Guy said:

To be fair a lot of nations had citizens support Nazi Germany, here is a list of SS units that were made up of different nationalities, yet we do not equate them today with being Nazi states.

 Waffen-SS foreign volunteers and conscripts - Wikipedia

• 4Foreign Waffen-SS units recruited by Nazi Germany
  • 4.1Albania
  • 4.2Belgium
  • 4.3Bulgaria
  • 4.4Bohemia and Moravia
  • 4.5Croatia
  • 4.6Denmark
  • 4.7Estonia
  • 4.8Finland
  • 4.9France
  • 4.10Hungary
  • 4.11India
  • 4.12Italy
  • 4.13Latvia
  • 4.14The Netherlands
  • 4.15Norway
  • 4.16Romania
  • 4.17Serbia
  • 4.18Spain
  • 4.19Soviet Union (Russia)
  • 4.20Sweden
  • 4.21Switzerland
  • 4.22Ukraine
  • 4.23United Kingdom

 

How many of those STILL keep their SS around? To be fair.....

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Yap Yap Yap ?

Okay?  Here's what was included in the article:

 “According to multiple former senior US officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement.”

But two things happened, after which a member of the Ukrainian delegation, Mykhailo Podoliak, had to openly admit that it was "not the time" for the meeting of the presidents. 

The first thing was the revelation of the atrocities, rapes, murders, massacres, looting, indiscriminate bombings and hundreds and thousands of other war crimes committed by Russian troops in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories…

The second "obstacle" to agreements with the Russians arrived in Kyiv on 9 April." (Boris Johnson's arrival).  

 

So three things happened here that apparently scuttled whatever outlined and tentative deal was discussed:

1) The Bucha massacre was revealed 

2) The Russians fled from Ukraine with their tails between their legs (changing all of the calculus) 

3) Boris Johnson explained Putin/Russian weakness to Zelensky and encouraged them to not to accept their demands.  

All three of these things are ample reason for the Ukrainians to want to continue fighting.  

Or the Russians, who've made clear that energy is a weapon they'll use to retaliate against sanctions.  Putin will never have more leverage in this regard than he does right now.  Europe's dependence on Russian gas will only diminish from here.  He's already a pariah and those pipelines will be worthless hunks of metal in a year or two if he's still in power.  He has nothing to lose from sabotaging them and it's another way of blackmailing Europe and causing general chaos and confusion.   

Johnson came and the deal was scrapped.!

As for those pipelines, I don't think we'll ever be informed who done it. And that will make it obvious. 

[Boges]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

If it's a choice between a fuel and grain shortage, plus the potential for nuclear war...and the pouring cash at a NATO reject?

Yes, of course.

Thanks for proving yet again you love all things Putin. 

[Boges]

27 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Johnson came and the deal was scrapped.!

Did the deal involve Russia keeping these four territories? 

 

[Boges]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-forced-to-delay-enlisting-conscripts-due-to-lack-of-resources-ministry-of-defence-120214596.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALlZwfXCkoVsLJ9WPz5hRWKmwTlYhksIJTneVNZc-mhFrAIJrfrsOFEN3-YalT1MSFSAPbtStAau297lidxe_urBnibbWQJjNRYK15_LMsmIvLGndwzEAQ_fNDqwcOT_fv3o-mh_EU0tLAqMtOqExf56pVra45yzuJHYsSUs1sH-

Russia doesn't even have enough military capital to properly train the poor souls they're making cannon fodder. 

Quote

 

Russia has pushed back the enlistment of 120,000 conscripts by one month as the country struggles to equip, train and deploy its soldiers.

It comes after Vladimir Putin signed an order late last week, which will see Russians aged 18 to 27 not already in the military's reserves being called up for service from 1 November to the end of the year.

On Tuesday the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the annual autumn conscription cycle was being pushed back a month in a sign of "deficiencies" in Russia's system which will continue to "undermine" its war effort in Ukraine.

This annual cycle is separate from Putin's partial mobilisation order, and the conscripts are not legally permitted to be deployed outside of Russia.

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

32 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Johnson came and the deal was scrapped.!

As for those pipelines, I don't think we'll ever be informed who done it. And that will make it obvious. 

 

I think the twin idiots of Blinken and Biden were clear enough as to who was behind the destruction of Europe's gas supply.

[Aristides]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Psst...don't tell anyone but...

I'm married to a Czech defector. And ya know what? She knows quite a bit about Russia...and is even more vehemently against this folly that I am.

So obviously you didn't read it. You post stuff but won't read the article it was based on written by the same people who said there was a deal pending.

 

Who isn't against this folly except Putin and his enablers. The ones who started it.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Aristides

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, Nationalist said:

If it's a choice between a fuel and grain shortage, plus the potential for nuclear war...and the pouring cash at a NATO reject?

Yes, of course.

Then you believe Putin should end his failing invasion and withdraw his troops right?  That’s the quickest and simplest way to put it all to an end. 

[Aristides]

Ethnic Minorities Bear Brunt Of Putin's Mobilization.

[sharkman]

13 hours ago, sharkman said:

NATO’s handlers want to take down Russia, the way Iraq and Libya were taken down.  They’ve been at it for 20 years or so.  But this one is much tougher because a) Russia has a much better military, and b) Putin has been able to outsmart them thus far, prior to Ukraine.  c) Russia has some of the best military technology in the world, including new hypersonic nukes.

Point number 2.  The Western media is, by and large, reporting nothing but propaganda on Ukraine. They have very little presence in Ukraine and are just taking and reporting what the state controlled Ukrainian media is giving them without verifying.

Which is pretty much the same thing the MSM did with COVID reporting and the WHO.

 

 

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Point number 2.  The Western media is, by and large, reporting nothing but propaganda on Ukraine. They have very little presence in Ukraine and are just taking and reporting what the state controlled Ukrainian media is giving them without verifying.

Which is pretty much the same thing the MSM did with COVID reporting and the WHO.

Please present reliable sources showing how Mother Russia is having a Great Victory.   

Or sorry, that's Sealioning. ?

Just continue to believe the Western Media is fabricating the Ukrainian advance without any evidence. 

[DogOnPorch]

6 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Point number 2.  The Western media is, by and large, reporting nothing but propaganda on Ukraine. They have very little presence in Ukraine and are just taking and reporting what the state controlled Ukrainian media is giving them without verifying.

Which is pretty much the same thing the MSM did with COVID reporting and the WHO.

 

 

 

We hear very little about what the Russians are actually doing on the battlefield. Only a few Western independent media are reporting from behind Russian lines. Conversely, during the Viet-Nam War, Western reporters managed to embed themselves in with the Viet-Cong to see how they operated.

[BeaverFever]

21 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Point number 2.  The Western media is, by and large, reporting nothing but propaganda on Ukraine. They have very little presence in Ukraine and are just taking and reporting what the state controlled Ukrainian media is giving them without verifying.

Which is pretty much the same thing the MSM did with COVID reporting and the WHO.

 

 

Yes everyone knows only Russian state-controlled media is trustworthy. Throwing people out of high-rise windows when they deviate from the Kremlin’s script reflects the highest standard in journalistic practice.  
 

On a related note, the female reporter under house arrest for criticizing the invasion is now missing along with her young daughter.  Whether they escaped or are now wearing a pair of cement shoes at the bottom of a river is anyones guess. 
 

Its also a lie that western media has no presence in the Ukraine or that they simply repeat Ukrainian government press releases without question or without attributing it as such. 

[Aristides]

40 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Point number 2.  The Western media is, by and large, reporting nothing but propaganda on Ukraine. They have very little presence in Ukraine and are just taking and reporting what the state controlled Ukrainian media is giving them without verifying.

Which is pretty much the same thing the MSM did with COVID reporting and the WHO.

 

 

CNN, who you guys hate have at least two people reporting multiple times a day, often with Ukraine forces on the move.