herbie Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 See? Another one of the everyone else is crazy crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, herbie said: See? Another one of the everyone else is crazy crowd. argument ad populum lots of people believing something doesn't make it true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: Obama appointed FBI director, James Comey was a Republican like you're a Conservative. Well anyone who says anything against Dear Leader (who switched to the Republican Party in 2009 right?) Is not a real Republican but a RINO. McConnell, McCain, Romney, Ryan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well anyone who says anything against Dear Leader (who switched to the Republican Party in 2009 right?) Is not a real Republican but a RINO. McConnell, McCain, Romney, Ryan... if you prefer those clowns to Trump it's a surefire sign that you are an idiot Trump is a massive upgrade on them just because they don't like Trump doesn't make them the reasonable Republicans Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: if you prefer those clowns to Trump it's a surefire sign that you are an idiot Trump is a massive upgrade on them just because they don't like Trump doesn't make them the reasonable Republicans They were Republicans before 2009. Do you think that the chaos and divisiveness Trump has brought is attractive to the average voter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They were Republicans before 2009. Do you think that the chaos and divisiveness Trump has brought is attractive to the average voter? more attractive than Republicans from HW Bush to Romney Trump is a huge upgrade on the post-Reagan Republicans Republicans have stepped their game up since 2016 hence why Trump won, yet McCain and Romney lost Americans don't like Bush-style Republicans as much as Trump-style Republicans hence why the MAGA candidates are cleaning up in the primaries and not the establishment GOP hence why Liz Cheney is about to get smashed in her primary next week and you try and portray this all as a bad thing, like a tool the Republicans you like are the worst Republicans Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said: And this is worth knowing: Wait—Those 'Classified’ Docs FBI Sought in Trump Raid Were Already Declassified Says ""PJ Media"" ? Hey look everyone ... some media source that wears pajamas that we have never heard of TOTALLY EXONERATES TRUMP !!! Come on, I was born on a day but not yesterday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 57 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: 1. more attractive than Republicans from HW Bush to Romney 2. and you try and portray this all as a bad thing, like a tool 1. Massive deficit spending, and payouts to cronies and corporations is not conservatism. It's the dull edge of ineptitude. 2. Well, you like it because own the libs etc. Some wise Republican said you can't insult your way to the presidency. Oh wait, he was wrong... ? In the end, people like you don't understand governmance, management or how the global political economy works. Politics is entertainment, and someone who insults stuffy academics and know-it-alls is a hero. It's where politics is now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Massive deficit spending, and payouts to cronies and corporations is not conservatism. It's the dull edge of ineptitude. 2. Well, you like it because own the libs etc. Some wise Republican said you can't insult your way to the presidency. Oh wait, he was wrong... ? In the end, people like you don't understand governmance, management or how the global political economy works. Politics is entertainment, and someone who insults stuffy academics and know-it-alls is a hero. It's where politics is now. 1. Trump spent too much this is true he is not a fiscal conservative the tax cuts are the opposite of ineptitude though 2. I like it because the Republicans got better under Trump especially in regards to foreign policy obstructing the rule of the worst politicians in America is another sweet bonus 3. You're the one who doesn't understand those things and you project your lack of understanding on me Trump was better than the Bush's, McCain and Romney on all those fronts Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Trump was better than the Bush's, McCain and Romney on all those fronts Only a person who values emotionality, and anger as truth would think this IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Only a person who values emotionality, and anger as truth would think this IMO. well your opinion sucks you value politically correct rhetoric over policy if you prefer Romney, McCain or the Bush's to Trump you're the one who values emotion over truth pretty much all your critiques of Trump are emotional reactions to what he said that are totally devoid of logic Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: 1. you're the one who values emotion over truth 2. pretty much all your critiques of Trump are emotional reactions to what he said that are totally devoid of logic 1. Dear Leader's anger makes you excited. 3. You mean like deficit spending and trade policy? Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Dear Leader's anger makes you excited. 3. You mean like deficit spending and trade policy? Try again. his trade policy was to use tariffs as a negotiating tool to get other nations to lower tariffs on America and it worked beautifully see the USMCA reciprocity ftw your beef is with his rhetoric, not his policy as for the spending, it's not like Bush and Romney were fiscal conservatives they were "compassionate" conservatives who spent like drunken sailors too Trump may have spent too much, but it's not like Republicans didn't they just lied and blew smoke up your ass, Trump was at least honest about it hell even Reagan spent a shit ton, despite all the fiscal conservative talk so this an entirely emotional rhetoric beef you have with Trump, because in practice there wasn't a difference essentially you're just mad Trump didn't lie to you like Bush or Romney basically it boils down to you preferring Conservatives who preach Conservatism and govern like Liberals to Conservatives who say things you don't like but give you more conservatism than those lying through their teeth you value rhetoric over policy, words over actions and emotions over logic which is the root of your Trump Derangement Syndrome Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Says ""PJ Media"" ? Mocks the guy who wants to claim he's a conservative. How about Breitbart? How phony a conservative would you have to be not to have heard of Breitbart? Documents at Mar-a-Lago Marked ‘Classified’ Were Already Declassified, Kash Patel Says BTW, that link was embedded in the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) But you're not going to click that link either because it would be against Prog code to sully the purity of your sacred ignorance so here's a clip: " Patel called the story “disinformation.” “The story says the National Archives found the documents had classification markings on them. That doesn’t mean that they were not declassified. All previously classified documents have classification markings on them, it shows they used to be classified. It’s petty bureaucracy at its finest, government simpletons not following a president’s orders to have them marked ‘declassified.’ The president has unilateral authority to declassify documents — anything in government. He exercised it here in full,” he said. “[For] NBC to make a leap to say, ‘Well that means he released classified information,’ is completely false,” Patel said. “So I think the article is entirely misleading.” Patel said he does not believe NARA spoke to anyone at the Trump White House to see if the documents were declassified, and now will not release the documents to the American public as Trump had intended. “They are not a classification authority. I don’t believe they have unilateral authority to reclassify something the president declassified. They are the holder of records,” he said. Patel did not want to get into what the specific documents were, predicting claims from the left that he was disclosing “classified” material, but said, “It’s information that Trump felt spoke to matters regarding everything from Russiagate to the Ukraine impeachment fiasco to major national security matters of great public importance — anything the president felt the American people had a right to know is in there and more.” Patel said Democrats are playing politics in claiming Trump took classified material, and have not even addressed what is in the material. As to whether Democrats may try to selectively release material and claim Trump tried to hide certain things, Patel said, “The irony is that he didn’t try to hide any of it. He declassified all of it so there’s nothing to hide.” Edited August 10, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: 1. Mocks the guy who wants to claim he's a conservative. 2. How about Breitbart? How phony a conservative would you have to be not to have heard of Breitbart? 1. From the guy who says the National Post is "liberal to prog" 2. As you pointed out, it's the same source - Kash Patel - a loyalist who says anything to help Dear Leader and who likely knows nothing of the details. Why isn't the Trump team publishing the search warrant btw ? Also did you hear that "Dear Leader" just took the fifth ? It was reported as such anyway. What a hero, not incriminating himself just like a proper criminal president should ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) "Kash Patel served as the Pentagon chief of staff as well as principal deputy to the acting director of national intelligence. He is also a former National Security Council aide, former top House Intelligence Committee staffer, and former federal prosecutor and public defender." None of those are claims you can make. Nor can you claim to have been there when the original documents were processed. Kash can. But none of what you said above matters anyway so I'll go on to discuss the angle of the "classified documents" that does. And what matters there is those most likely imaginary documents don't. That's obvious. Trump had already returned the supposedly "classified documents." If he hadn't why wouldn't they simply have subpoenaed them the way they did with Hillary and her stash of classified material. Unless they were afraid he'd destroy them like Hillary did with her information. BTW Hillary was never the President of the United States and never had the authority to declassify documents. Trump did. But no, they sleazed a FISA home invasion warrant out of an Obama judge whose claim to fame was he used to defend the Epstein crew. Then they publicly raided the ex President of the United States home - looking for what exactly? He'd already returned the supposedly "classified" documents they knew about. And why did they bring a safe cracker with them when they knew where the room was where the original documents had been stored? (The safe was empty btw.) That whole "classified documents" excuse smells, so what makes more sense? A fishing expedition for Jan 6 stuff and anything else they can leak to their secretarial pool in what we call the mainstream media? Maybe. Or are they hoping to instigate the "insurrection" they failed to really spark Jan 6? It's easy to get the feeling that's what they really want. That way they can put it down with force and shut down any opposition for good, 3rd world style. Edited August 10, 2022 by Infidel Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Also did you hear that "Dear Leader" just took the fifth ? It was reported as such anyway. What a hero, not incriminating himself just like a proper criminal president should ? Do you mean this? Donald Trump says he invoked 5th Amendment in deposition for New York investigation\ That New York financial investigation witch hunt has nothing to do with this "classified documents" in Mar a Lago Florida witch hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: That New York financial investigation witch hunt has nothing to do with this "classified documents" in Mar a Lago Florida witch hunt. Of course not. Just standard procedure for an ex president... O Dear Leader you never lead us astray. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Of course not. Just standard procedure for an ex president... So why mention it in reference to this then? Just more diversion and obfuscation, I guess. Is there a special course for that in Prog college? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: So why mention it in reference to this then? Just more diversion and obfuscation, I guess. Is there a special course for that in Prog college? Dunno. I thought you guys liked the truth and trolls even. Alex Jones is hilarious but if I mention dear leader's crimes, there's a few sniffles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Dunno. I thought you guys liked the truth and trolls even. Alex Jones is hilarious but if I mention dear leader's crimes, there's a few sniffles... you don't mention his crimes, of which he has committed none you mention your Trump Derangement Syndrome fueled delusions which is why you are getting called out not because we think Trump can do no wrong but because you are so bad at pointing out what he did wrong Edited August 10, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Dunno. I thought you guys liked the truth and trolls even. Alex Jones is hilarious but if I mention dear leader's crimes, there's a few sniffles... And you answer my question on your diversion and obfuscation with diversion and obfuscation. You seem to be having trouble staying on topic so I'll help you out. Actually Trump is going to help you out. He explains what the possible connection would be between taking the fifth on the witch hunt in New York and the separate case of the other witch hunt in Florida that ostensibly has nothing to do with the New York witch hunt: Quote “I once asked, ‘If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?'” Trump said. “Now I know the answer to that question. When your family, your company, and all the people in your orbit have become the targets of an unfounded, politically motivated Witch Hunt supported by lawyers, prosecutors, and the Fake News Media, you have no choice.” Trump wrote that the FBI’s Monday raid of his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Fla. — reportedly a search for presidential records that may contain classified information — “wiped out any uncertainty” about whether to cooperate. https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/donald-trump-arrives-to-be-grilled-by-ag-james/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 Donald Trump, 2016: “Taking the Fifth, I think it's disgraceful. The mob takes the Fifth! If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?" Donald Trump, under criminal investigation in 2022: Pleads The Fifth “I declined to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution." 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted August 10, 2022 Report Share Posted August 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: argument ad populum lots of people believing something doesn't make it true Yes but on the other hand not believing the evidence and science definitely makes it false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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