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Canada intends to service Russian pipeline turbines circumventing the sanctions


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I'm recording this here for future references in case the detailed inquiry will bring misunderstandings and updates.

"The only place in the world to service in Montreal" - sorry I don't believe him on word alone - just doesn't sound right, without comprehensive independent evidence. But let's see who is wrong keeping open mind.

When was the contract concluded? Before or after the sanctions were adopted, or their direction was publicly discussed.

No answer. Let's find out, important.

Oliphant

Opposition: "Canada has shown no urgency in increasing exports of oil and gas to Europe".

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34 minutes ago, myata said:

When was the contract to service the turbines in Canada concluded? What were the terms? How come in this country we cannot know anything about pretty much anything, but anyhow it's still a democracy? Is it by some magic democracy magic wand?

What makes you think you have the slightest right to know?

Does GM have to tell you what it charged your neighbour, or what the repair shop charged someone else?

And what does your demand have to do with democracy in the least?

The name of this website is re:politics. Maybe some of you should learn the meaning of what that is, and at least a minimal knowledge of how it works.

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5 minutes ago, herbie said:

What makes you think you have the slightest right to know?

Does GM have to tell you what it charged your neighbour, or what the repair shop charged someone else?

So naive I see. A war is going on, daily horror pictures in the newsfeed, sanctions declared chests pumped from high tribunes but business is business, only an innocent secret not to worry. We just had Covid with a fair mirror of who we are. This has to be the episode two. Let's see.

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So let's get the interim balance sheet of this "best of difficult" decisions. On the debit side:

- Showing obvious weakness to a ruthless dictator

- Losing credibility in the eyes of the whole world

- Negative impact on relations with Ukraine

- Failure in over eight years (from 2014 when aggressive ambitions of Russia became apparent) to develop an alternative infrastructure of energy supply.

And on the plus side? What's there? You didn't even get as much as a promise from the world-champion liars who will break all and any promises in a blink of an eye. And when they come with the next ultimatum what will you do? Show the principle or backpedal? Who, what heads and tails know that? Do you even know? Congrats!

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Berlin blockade lasted almost a year supplied by Allies over the air despite the attempts by the Soviets to suffocate Berlin. That was 75 years back, in 1948. Today's Russia is nothing like USSR.. but then, the allies don't seem to be the same either. The act speaks not words.

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6 minutes ago, myata said:

Berlin blockade lasted almost a year supplied by Allies over the air despite the attempts by the Soviets to suffocate Berlin. That was 75 years back, in 1948. Today's Russia is nothing like USSR.. but then, the allies don't seem to be the same either. The act speaks not words.

this situation is unprecedented

the Russians have attacked Ukraine with only 250,000 troops

when Ukraine in the defensive can field an army of 1,000,000 troops

the Russians can't increase their numbers of troops, due to their lack of logistics in the field

the Soviets would never have launched an operation as reckless as this, they were way more cautious

in the near term the Ukrainians are taking a pounding, but time is not on the Russians side

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2 minutes ago, myata said:

Situations do not determine the outcome. Our actions do.

the NATO strategy is sound

Russia has been playing the spoiler up to now

but by going over to the offensive without the resources to back it up

Russia is now allowing NATO to act as the spoiler

it is scorched earth, we will fight to the last Ukrainian

but in terms of containing the Russians, NATO is effecting that outcome, with minimal expenditures downrange

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7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

NATO is effecting that outcome, with minimal expenditures

While nobody, looking from the outside of the pretty house knows what the next step would be, stand for the Article or backpedal and compromise? Keep dreaming. The reality, real act is the test not the words, we've heard all there's to know about "never again".

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But of course:

a. Stick to your word and declared position

b. Focus on the the real measurable objective, not pompous words that add nothing to it

c. Make all necessary resources to achieve the objective available - even if it may cause some "pain", no one promised you that all objectives can be achieved without any pain.

d. Seek solutions that advance toward the objective, not slow down, mud, dim and or confuse it.

e. Regularly verify if your actions so far are advancing toward the objective. Take corrective measures otherwise, possibly immediate.

Would it be enough, to begin with? And for an example of objective, we can try "never again", can we?

 

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25 minutes ago, myata said:

But of course:

a. Stick to your word and declared position

b. Focus on the the real measurable objective, not pompous words that add nothing to it

c. Make all necessary resources to achieve the objective available - even if it may cause some "pain", no one promised you that all objectives can be achieved without any pain.

d. Seek solutions that advance toward the objective, not slow down, mud, dim and or confuse it.

e. Regularly verify if your actions so far are advancing toward the objective. Take corrective measures otherwise, possibly immediate.

Would it be enough, to begin with? And for an example of objective, we can try "never again", can we?

 

we don't operate in a vacuum, you are ignoring the political reality which is a complete lack of consensus

nobody has the political capital to be resolute, so taking a hard line is an unrealistic objective

the NATO strategy is economy of force, containment with minimum expenditure downrange

while not ideal, it is at least achievable and effective

the Russians are blowing their wad in the Donbass, and this contains them there by default

this is now a war of attrition which is grinding the Russian military down as it goes

NATO meanwhile has acquired the entire military forces of Sweden & Finland

NATO is getting stronger while Russia weakens itself for no strategic gain

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2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

we don't operate in a vacuum, you are ignoring the political reality which is a complete lack of consensus

nobody has the political capital to be resolute, so taking a hard line is an unrealistic objective

Empty pompous words

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

this is now a war of attrition which is grinding the Russian military down as it goes

"Attrition" of civilians, children, hospitals in the daily news? While declaring pompous progress and pretty values?

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

NATO meanwhile has acquired the entire military forces of Sweden & Finland

NATO is getting stronger while Russia weakens itself for no strategic gain

What's the point of strength if and when the will and resolve to act isn't there? What if Russia comes to you will you fight or more talk about core values and who can be spared for words like "attrition", "containment" etc? Who knows that? Do you know? So are you getting stronger?

The talk of not provoking Russia is just empty talk, an excuse. It's obvious by now that Putin will use any provocation he wants and needs he has no use for your pathetic funny help. There's no reason for modern air defenses to not be there to protect cities, schools, hospitals, children. There's no reason for NATO units, on a strictly voluntary basis from volunteer members to not be there to protect the skies and destroy those targeting cities. There's no reason for NATO fighters again volunteer etc to not be in Ukrainian skies to beat a sh#t out of Russian thugs targeting civilians. Mean what you say "never again" with your act not just pretty words. Show it. The only effective remedy against an aggressive bully is a big, heavy and painful stick.

But looks like you don't know that. Forgot maybe. And for that there's a proven solution of course. If you won't fight when the reason and heart tells you wait till they come to your door. Then you will find out. Maybe.

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Here's the score so far, and this is only honest, factual and objective score.

1. West is willing to watch and tolerate a brutal invasion, atrocities and mass crimes not seen since WWII in Europe, right next door.

2. West has used excuses to delay or refuse the resources asked for by the victim to defend itself.

3. West has walked back and reneged on its own commitments including sanctions.

4. "Never again" is done for, gone. The atrocities continue. No one is even talking about stopping them only which little squirt to do next, if any.

This is an objective score today, month four of the war. Will there be more? Let's see.

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the best strategy is to simply wait the Russians out now

their manoeuvre war plan to take Ukraine in a blitzkrieg has failed

thus they have been reduced to a war of attrition in the Donbass

the Russians are hoisting themselves on their own petards

"never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" ~ Bonaparte

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5 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

if you come to my door, you will find out

You mean if Russia comes to Canada's door with her thousands of rusty 60-year old tanks, Cold War era planes and hosts of missiles with less than one in two accuracy for just unfrozen in the brave new world passage? And sends them in waves, and shelling cities daily and your great neighbor happened to be absorbed in own affairs but here's 25 guns and be brave like Canada? And the allies in Europe, no no this is a very special case the treaty doesn't apply to passages (or so we say) so lets business as usual and look the other way but standing with Canada!

Only that much needs to happen to show your strength? Ok chat is cheap, let's see it.

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