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The problem has never been with Brave Canadian soldiers doing their part, it has always been about Canadian citizens having their backs and their support, and that is never going to happen... these are not the same Canadians that once were, today they are interested in social programs and what can my country do for me...

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26 minutes ago, myata said:

Not servicing Russian turbines could result in a terrible fate of Canadian jobs sorry children, got it! Just do as Russia says while strongly condemning and calling for, that worked so well with Hitler! Didn't Justine just say the same thing though a funny coincidence. No just funny like in shamefully and unapologetically ridiculous. Where shall we go from here - no, don't even want to guess.

myata...I understand your position on this while I must also acknowledge the irony of it all.

Germany will freeze and not be able to power their nation, without those turbines driving the oil and gas to them. Our "ally" needs that fossil fuel. And why? Well that's simple. They went down that green garden path...and fucked up. In the mean time, the USA and Canada have reduced fossil fuel output. In short...

They got what they paid for.

Little kids being blown to bits in a war, is nasty stuff. Hell it even upsets me. But not enough for me to deny reality. And the reality of this whole situation right now...is fucking self-imposed.

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3 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

The problem has never been with Brave Canadian soldiers doing their part, it has always been about Canadian citizens having their backs and their support, and that is never going to happen... these are not the same Canadians that once were, today they are interested in social programs and what can my country do for me...

we are not citizen soldiers

all that matters is that we have brothers in harms way behind the lines now

and the Russians are seeking to kill/capture them

no more politics then

this is family in the breach

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

Godspeed, Viam Invemiemus

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19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

no, at its root Communism is a Post Scarcity Utopia

Communism is the end state of the World Socialist Revolution

a One World Government without any class divisions, perfectly egalitarian

so it is a religion in fact, a secular Heaven on earth rather than in the next world to come

Huh...and you figure those who will find themselves in positions of power, once this great utopia is achieved, will not carve out a "special" class for themselves?

Communism is nothing more than a camouflaged term meaning "dictatorship".

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1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...and you figure those who will find themselves in positions of power, once this great utopia is achieved, will not carve out a "special" class for themselves?

Communism is nothing more than a camouflaged term meaning "dictatorship".

no, Communism is an end state

Communism is like saying "Heaven"

the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is only a means of effecting the World Socialist Revolution

once said revolution has been effected, and the Communist Heaven has been achieved

in theory, there is no need for authoritarianism at all

as once you are in Communist Heaven, it is so perfected, there would be no reason for you to dissent against it

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6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

no, Communism is an end state

Communism is like saying "Heaven"

the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is only a means of effecting the World Socialist Revolution

once said revolution has been effected, and the Communist Heaven has been achieved

in theory, there is no need for authoritarianism at all

as once you are in Communist Heaven, it is so perfected, there would be no reason for you to dissent against it

"Communist Heaven" cannot exist in a human society...and you know it.

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Just now, Nationalist said:

"Communist Heaven" cannot exist in a human society...and you know it.

of course, thus why I am a British North American classically liberal monarchist Orangeman of Upper Canada

all I am saying, is that to understand Communism, you have to recognize that it is an Utopian religion

Socialism is supposedly the path to Communism

but you don't actually get to Communism, until you have effected a perfectly egalitarian class free Utopia

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for example, even the most committed Soviet Communists never said that they had achieved Communism

what they said is that there would be a World Socialist Revoltion

and then they would wake up in this Communist Utopia in the wake of it, someday

so when a government is Communist, that is aspirational 

they are Socialists, on the path to their perfectly egalitarian class free post scarcity Utopia, in the future

it's like saying "Heavenism"

you are not in Heaven now, you are simply on the path to a Communist Heaven promised someday

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 bear in mind, that the National Socialists, the Nazis, also promised a secular Heavan

the Nazis also promised a perfectly egalitarian class free post scarcity Utopia

the only difference was, the Nazis said that their Heaven would only be for the "Germans"

which is not actually a race, but simply a language group

but whatever, the Nazis papered over that

none the less, Nazism is simply racialized Communism, a Communist Utopia, but only for the Master Race

this is why the Nazis were not actually Fascists

they went way beyond Fascism all the way to Anti Communist Heaven

this is why we could actually do business with Fascists, like Franco or Pinochet

but there was no negotiating with the Nazis, because it was a fundamentalist religion

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34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

of course, thus why I am a British North American classically liberal monarchist Orangeman of Upper Canada

all I am saying, is that to understand Communism, you have to recognize that it is an Utopian religion

Socialism is supposedly the path to Communism

but you don't actually get to Communism, until you have effected a perfectly egalitarian class free Utopia

I Am Canadian. I know a lot o' Brits over seas and...while we are great friends and have many things in common...we have very distinct differences. For instance...I can't stand fucking crab cakes...lol

My allegiance is to my flag and the nation it represents. If "Queenie-Baby" gets in the way...my reaction would be to remove her influence. Which, IMO, should have happened right after WWI. But I think Canada was fairly dependant on Commonwealth commerce at the time and couldn't afford to cut that string.

As for Communism...I agree with your assessment. Its a dream that the human condition makes impossible.

Thus for the true thinkers...Communism is a tool. An empty promise.

Unfortunately...there are so few independent thinkers among us humans. But that too has a good and bad side. Right now we see the bad side. It would sure be nice if these thinkers would accentuate the good for a while. We're killing people now with this bad side.

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the Nazis also invented Environmentalism

the NSDAP was the first ever Green Party

they were a fusion of Nietzschean & Malthusian

God is dead, and people are the problem

so the Nazis would liquidate all the bad people

so that the Master Race could frolic in a pristine Environmentalist Utopia

this was all part of Nazi Heaven

which is why Greta Thunberg is actually the epitome of the Nazi Youth

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29 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I Am Canadian. I know a lot o' Brits over seas

distinction without a difference

Canada is the only Confederation of the British Empire

the British Crown rules as the Crown of Canada

now you can of course reject that

but in doing so, you render yourself into an American by default

not that there is anything wrong with that, perhaps you are an American at heart, and so be it

as a Republican in the classical sense, I would invite you to join us therein

the Party of Abraham Lincoln, the Abolitionists who freed the slaves

the Party of Theodore Roosevelt, who freed the workers from the Guided Age

in the beauty of the lllies, Christ was born across the sea

and we are His chosen people

New Jerusalem

shining city on a hill

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1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Germany takes precedence over Ukraine in terms of Canada's security obligations

Empty words just the same bullshit just as the Dear Leader's "difficult decision". What "security obligations"? Would not returning the turbine due to sanctions amount to an attack on Germany? OK that's one; what could be the "security obligations" for getting five more in the next two years? Almost every day children are killed by brutal Russian attacks; and they want to drag the exemptions to sanctions for 365 x 2 = 730 days!

Here's another possibility: Germany, possibly with help from the good uncle shipped its stinky underwear to the developed world's sleepy backyard. OK, Justin will figure out how to wash it. Or some vague highly secret security obligations of course. Which one is more plausible?

But it's getting scary too isn't it. Can anyone in this country still speak straight, meaning what they say? Or is it a thing long past too like the reality itself? No the Covid thing was no aberration no exception. Looks like the happy blind ride is coming to a natural conclusion. Nothing will be the same. Sure let's see it.

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12 hours ago, myata said:

Empty words just the same bullshit just as the Dear Leader's "difficult decision". What "security obligations"? Would not returning the turbine due to sanctions amount to an attack on Germany? OK that's one; what could be the "security obligations" for getting five more in the next two years? Almost every day children are killed by brutal Russian attacks; and they want to drag the exemptions to sanctions for 365 x 2 = 730 days!

Here's another possibility: Germany, possibly with help from the good uncle shipped its stinky underwear to the developed world's sleepy backyard. OK, Justin will figure out how to wash it. Or some vague highly secret security obligations of course. Which one is more plausible?

But it's getting scary too isn't it. Can anyone in this country still speak straight, meaning what they say? Or is it a thing long past too like the reality itself? No the Covid thing was no aberration no exception. Looks like the happy blind ride is coming to a natural conclusion. Nothing will be the same. Sure let's see it.

there is negotiating with you

so we are at an impasse

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Germany will freeze and not be able to power their nation, without those turbines driving the oil and gas to them. Our "ally" needs that fossil fuel. And why? Well that's simple. They went down that green garden path...and fucked up. In the mean time, the USA and Canada have reduced fossil fuel output. In short...

OK here's a fine example. You read it and you eyes are wetting involuntarily drip-drip. Poor poor Germany children.. such a sad story surely someone will jump to the rescue anyone? please! can we let them freeze (and jobs too by the way; and dinners naturally). Until that is, the reality strikes (that's maybe and no, not guaranteed and not by far). Wait, isn't Germany like the greatest industrial nation or very near? Isn't it a German company? So where's the meaning here, does it make any meaning and sense to anyone who's still sane here? But then, do we still need it, reason and common sense? Aren't they the thing of the past before Covid?

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For the sake of sanity, and credibility too going forward, because there will be a long way forward and the whole world is watching. Germany should have admitted an utter failure of the idea to recruit Russia into the normal, sane world by loading them with megatons of money for their resources. It should have made more exemptions to the ones already made and serviced the bloody things itself. That would have been a fair and responsible thing to do. Like taking responsibility for own mess. And credible too by the way. But we are past these notions as it seems and so begins another stupid pantomime. Who will help us in this affair? What could?

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1 minute ago, myata said:

Who will help us in this affair? What could?

"us" is the United Kingdom United States Security Agreement ( UKUSSA )

forged in the fires of the Second World War

the Republic of the United States of America and our Commonwealth protectorates

we are of course all locked in a frozen conflict with the Russians, at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning

but Ukraine is not a signatory to our alliance

so our commitment to defend Ukraine is entirely negotiable

where it is in our interests, we might defend them

where it draws us to the brink of a thermonuclear war with Russia

we might abandon them

just as we abandoned Hungary in 1956, or Czechoslovakia in 1968

realpolitik

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Great words but what would it have to do with a turbine that could and should have been serviced in Germany by Germany and for Germany? Where the need for a caricature solemn allied decision is coming from? Why is it necessary to play out the silly pantomime before the eyes of the entire world that may not be nice, but not likely that stupid to take it for real? And Canada is no UK as far as I remember but that's already minor. No, no need for more bull you can get it in any desired amount here just turn any radio or TV channel.

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it's pretty simple

the Germans cannot undo decades of relying on Russian oil overnight

the Russians have them over a barrel, literally

Canada is simply adhering to realpolitik

this is not a contest of morality, only interests

the Germans will require years to detach themselves from the Russians

if the Ukrainians don't like it. too bad, the Ukrainians are not in charge, they get what we decide to give them

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think of the things that our Empire has done for realpolitik

we sunk the French fleet at Algeria to keep it from Vichy France,  on 3 July 1940

we opened fire on our French allies,  killing 1,297 French sailors

this is no holds barred, Ukraine is a just a proxy, and they are expendable downrange as necessary

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Yeah me too am getting tired of the meaningless bull repeating itself ad infinitum. The question is simple: what Canada has to do with Germany servicing turbines for Hitler (2.0) or whoever else it wants/needs? Why did it need to be involved? Why could it not be uninvolved in the pantomime? At this point it's just stupid funny. Are they stupid enough to not understand a question that simple or hold us for too stupid to ask for a meaningful answer? I'm sure both is a possibility but a vague doubt lingers, could there be any others?

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2 minutes ago, myata said:

Yeah me too am getting tired of the meaningless bull repeating itself ad infinitum.

 stop posting your inane bull then

Canada is not a direct democracy

Canada is a monarchy with representation

your brand of politics are not welcome in Canada

you may of course oppose government policy

but you may not overthrow the monarchy, as that would be treason

 

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