Canada Must Stop Funding Ukraine War

[cougar]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

the ruble is only high because of the high interest rates

the Russian economy is in tatters

even more so than before the war

don't let the exchange rate fool you

no one wants rubles

especially artificially inflated rubles

you have misread a sign of weakness as a sign of strength

So, if things were the other way round - the ruble losing ground and the gasoline prices in Russia going up, that was going to be a sign of strength?

They have resources, just like we do, but they are selling those at regulated prices to Russians and international prices to the rest of the world.  Not like us.

I think we imposed sanctions on ourselves.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, cougar said:

So, if things were the other way round - the ruble losing ground and the gasoline prices in Russia going up, that was going to be a sign of strength?

They have resources, just like we do, but they are selling those at regulated prices to Russians and international prices to the rest of the world.  Not like us.

I think we imposed sanctions on ourselves.

Russia's oil prices will climb soon enough

they are going to lose a lot of access to oil in the next few months

and they will be able to sell far less of it as well

not mention the big hits to other sectors of their economy

Russia is far worse off than before

this war has gained them nothing

and cost them a lot

Edited June 25, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Scott Mayers]

On 6/23/2022 at 3:52 PM, Zeitgeist said:

You seem to be ignoring the history or you don’t know it.  Russia is out of line and civilians have suffered unnecessarily.  There are quite opposed forces within parts of Ukraine itself and the current government imprisoned the leader of the opposition.  The first Ukraine military group trained by NATO is the the Neo-Nazi Azov Brigade.  Even the NY Times call them that.  Ukraine has had somewhat oppressive policies towards ethnic minorities such as Hungarians, and yes, Russians.  I’m just saying it’s complicated and I don’t know what the endgame is for what we’re funding.  

I'm split on what to do and so default to presume that I don't know enough to defend Ukraine. We seemed complicitly ignorant of Russian interest to the same degree we did with Syria's destruction of Aleppo by the same. I also see common land bound issues that drove Hussain to attack Kuwait. There always is a tendency of those with the capacity to act as a pathway to the rest of the world to abuse those dependent upon such isolation. Ukraine also had to have had one of the strongest budget interests in the prior Communist era infrastructure spending. That is, the Russians may feel cheated as taking on the debt that empowered Ukraine's independence. When going from a communist no-one-owns system to one that owns, then separate, the 'home' state of the prior country, Russia here, would rightfully suspect concerns. The original communist state prior to relatively recent (1992) changes had to have had some form of DISTRIBUTION scheme that likely biased favor to certain individuals for a primary 'right' to declare personal 'ownership' without equal favor to the majority. So I am not shocked if both Ukraine AND Russia are both leaving us in the dark on who is pulling the strings. Putin happened to induce from Trump's presidency that he should be bold, decisive, and intentionally deceptive, given this is what predominantly gets more success lately.

So, I'd prefer we keep safely distant but there in sentiment to those who suffer but with caution not to act prior to full disclosure of all pertinent information.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Scott Mayers
ignroant of how to spell, "ignorant"; removed 'is' where it should have been (or not should have been?) :)

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What can we see from here, Dougie? What CTV tells us? What Fox tells us? Do they even really know? If they do know, are they gonna tell us? Do you trust them, Dougie?

I trust Xinhua more than I trust CTV, and I wish I was exaggerating. 

China is actually walking pretty tall these days. Not many countries just openly have a million slaves and tell the world to STHU and buy their rubber dogshit. Not many countries are fishing in the South China Sea because China is squatting on it. Hollywood doesn't answer to anyone the way they cater to China. Lebron is carrying China's water. A born-and-raised American just competed for China in the winter olympics.

Who ever abandoned the US before, when they had a chance to be America's premiere athlete in a sport?

The US is who's going down right now. Crime is brazen, election integrity is gone, the FBI is a political operation now, the population is completely divided along religious, moral and political lines. The whitehouse was attacked and the media ignored it. The media ignores protests outside of SCJs homes. Condones them even. A man travelled across the USA to kill a SCJ at his home, at a protest which is constitutionally illegal yet supported by the whitehouse, and somehow that's not a big deal to the MSM.  

The US is going downhill and the skids are greased, bigtime. China is growing by comparison. 2019 looks like it will go down in history as the peak of American civilization. 

certainly America is going to suffer a massive correction after decades of money printing

but America's enemies in China & Canada are nothing more than parasites

ChiCanada is totally dependent on the American economy to prop their Communist systems up

so if America falls, that takes Commie ChiCanada down too

 

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

drinking the legit referendums kool-aid

and pointing fingers at others for the lulz

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

Is denying reality a habit for you?

[myata]

12 hours ago, Nationalist said:

There were referendums

Nazi sure had those in their concentration camps. As there were those defending and apologizing them. You folks are nothing new, always on the wrong side of morality. And hopefully, history. I would say, humanity too - if it's understood as not barging into your neighbor's home in the early morning kicking, robbing, raping and killing. Because in the normal language there's a word for that - criminal, murderous thugs. But go ahead, argue it away.

Edited June 25, 2022 by myata

[Nationalist]

24 minutes ago, myata said:

Nazi sure have had those in their concentration camps. As there were those defending and apologizing them. You folks are nothing new, always on the wrong side of morality. And hopefully, history. I would say, humanity too - if it's understood as not barging into your neighbor's home in the early morning kicking, robbing, raping and killing. Because in the normal language there's a word for that - criminal, murderous thugs. But go ahead, argue it away.

How old are you? I ask because, you display the logic of a 6 year old. 

I never said Russia is justified in attacking Ukraine. I said the residents of Donbas held a referendum...that the referendum was a landslide in favour of independence...and that the Ukrainian government sent self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis to attack them.

So when your logic is shown to be...illogical...you fall back on your perception of "morality". 

Run along and play with your dollies and let the adults deal with the complex issues...mkaaayyy?

Edited June 25, 2022 by Nationalist

[Zeitgeist]

Bottom line is that jurisdictions must have the right to self-determination.  Both Russia and the UKraine government have interfered with this.  That’s why from the beginning of this conflict the UN should’ve had peacekeeping forces in the regions impacted by ethno-national conflict.  Russia would veto such involvement though, so now it’s a game of pouring money and arms into UKraine at the expense of civilians.  The resolution must be political.

Corruption runs deep in these governments.  With the collapse of the Soviet Union, certain industry insiders were given access to bank funds and shares of newly privatized companies that essentially put the risks on banks that could simply collapse as the new owners become rich oligarchs.   That’s why these countries are kleptocracies where government and the oligarchs reinforce each other.  Putin retained power while UKraine vacillated between two mutually exclusive political forces that would do all they could to destroy each other.  Russia wants a puppet in UKraine as leader.   It’s wrong.  Zelensky is the better man.  The problem is that he is depending on Ukrainian ethno-nationalists in his own country who oppress ethnic minorities.

We don’t really understand what we’re funding or what the resolution is.  Basically we should only be supporting self-determination of Ukrainians and protecting the rights of minorities.   Russia needs to clean up its mess, but our provision of arms is drawing out the war.  Russia isn’t backing down, so it’s back to endless proxy war.  

[rectum]

Canada should double down their support for Ukraine. 

 

Ukrainian are defending Canada freedom and democracy with their lives, so why should Canada not help them?

Canadian are coward bitches who should be in Ukraine fighting for Freedom and democracy, but all they do is just send arms.

Without Ukrainian courage, the Russian will be in Canada in 48hours and here is what they will do:

1. Shit inside every bottle of maple syrup
2. as you drink your morning coffee ejaculate in your coffee and force you to drink it
3. as you drink Russian semen, Chinese will come and put a finger up your rectum 
4. as you enjoy the Chinese finger up your rectum, they will put a pumpkin up there

Is that what you want, is that what you want? 

 

[myata]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

I never said Russia is justified in attacking Ukraine.

Good start.

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

residents of Donbas held a referendum

No, can't have a "referendum" in a concentration camp.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Bottom line is that jurisdictions must have the right to self-determination.

Like Spanish jurisdictions? Russian jurisdictions, too?

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s why from the beginning of this conflict the UN should’ve had peacekeeping forces in the regions impacted by ethno-national conflict.

Including Chechnya, Dagestan and any number of "ethno-conflicts" in Russia? Or only in Ukraine?

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The resolution must be political.

No argument here, it's much preferred to be political. There's one problem though: can you have a political resolution with a mad, violent and murderous thug blasting all and everything in his way, ignoring every norm and principle of humanity? Can you have a political resolution with Nazis, Hitler? Please, enlighten.

[rectum]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You couldn't get any further away from Canada than Iraq or Afghanistan. Russia has far more reason to invade Ukraine than we did to invade Afghanistan or Iraq. 

 

Iraq Simply had no rights to sell their OIL in any currency other than USD. So America was justified in that they did as they were defending their economy.

Plus you can not compare Ukrainian to Iraqi.

Ukraine is the centre of the world civilisation, their blood is pure, they are blond and with blue eyes. 

Even Germany in WII recognised that Ukrainian are pure.

Ukraine gave the world Stepan Bandera who is 100X better than Jesus. 

[myata]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

We don’t really understand what we’re funding or what the resolution is.  Basically we should only be supporting self-determination of Ukrainians

Some of us do. This is way bigger than Ukraine. This is standing up to the ultimate evil in our times. No grandstanding at all, only plain bare truth - just think for a moment of the future if Putin is allowed to have his will. What would it do to any notion of a peaceful order in the world? What would it tell to every single existing and aspiring dictator in the observable time?

Putin is in Ukraine for nothing less than installing a new world order, or rather reinstalling the nearly forgotten one though we shouldn't have. No need to be naive and not see the obvious it'll come back with a big and painful stick. Just like the last time.

Edited June 25, 2022 by myata

[rectum]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course there are acceptable reasons for invasion. We do it all the time. We literally just got out of Afghanistan and we were in Iraq before that. 

You couldn't get any further away from Canada than Iraq or Afghanistan. Russia has far more reason to invade Ukraine than we did to invade Afghanistan or Iraq. 

 

The difference is a majority of Iraqi wanted to be liberated.

And today a majority of Iraqi are thankful to the US.

Why do you think the most popular baby name in Iraq is George Bush today?  Over 500,000 Iraq have George Bush as their first name. 

You are just spreading Pro Saddam propaganda, as you loved to Call Saddam Daddy and have him penetrate you in the ass. 

You are an enemy of freedom and democracy for saying Iraq should not have been liberated. 

[myata]

4 minutes ago, rectum said:

Of course there are acceptable reasons for invasion. We do it all the time. We literally just got out of Afghanistan and we were in Iraq before that. 

This is straight from Russia's dirty playbook. Afghanistan was a direct response to an unprovoked aggression against innocent civilians of a similar kind that Putin executes now in Ukraine. Iraq war was not authorized by the UN. I did not support it then and even less now. If someone does a wrong thing some time ago, it does not justify anybody in doing a much worse one now. That would be a recipe for never ending and expanding violence leading to chaos. And that is what Putin wants because it would give him a change to avoid responsibility.

This is only Putin talk. Nothing else here.

[rectum]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Iraq war was not authorized by the UN. I did not support it then and even less now.

 

So you are comparing the freedom loving Americans to Putin?

the UN did not authorise it, as Europeans loved to suck Saddam cock and will Veto any UN resolution.

The truth is that Iraq operation freedom made the world a much better place, you can not compare it with what Russia is doing in Ukraine. 

[rectum]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

Iraq war was not authorized by the UN. I did not support it then and even less now.

 

Shall we forget how Iraq threw multiple missile against Israel? 

 

the US is justified to attack and destroy every single country that fires a single bullet against Israel. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

Is denying reality a habit for you?

if the referendums are real

why did the only happen once Russia invaded and not before?

because Russia needed to them to be rigged to convince people like you that the people approved of it

[Nationalist]

56 minutes ago, myata said:

Good start.

No, can't have a "referendum" in a concentration camp.

Will you please quit blowing chunks? There was no concentration camps.

[myata]

To set the record straight here Iraq war and Putin's war are very different wars. Same word does not have the same meaning.

There were legal grounds for removal of the regime, a UN Security Council resolution. The case remains questionable though as no WMD were found, but the question is, were there sufficient grounds to suspect their existence given obstructive behavior of the regime.

For Putin's invasion there aren't even remote grounds. It's as unlawful, illegal attack of a sovereign European nation as it gets. It's 100% from the playbook of Hitler and Nazis.

Then there are indications of mass war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by Russia in Ukraine that are being documented. Nothing like that even remotely happened in Iraq. Multiple cities razed to the ground. Civilians attacked, robbed, raped and killed routinely. This is what Nazis did. This is Nazism 2.0, of our time. There's no explanations, no reasons and no justifications.

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

if the referendums are real

why did the only happen once Russia invaded and not before?

because Russia needed to them to be rigged to convince people like you that the people approved of it

Errr...they were in 2014.

[rectum]

5 minutes ago, myata said:

Then there are indications of mass war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by Russia in Ukraine that are being documented. Nothing like that even remotely happened in Iraq. Multiple cities razed to the ground. Civilians attacked, robbed, raped and killed routinely. This is what Nazis did. This is Nazism 2.0, of our time. There's no explanations, no reasons and no justifications.

 

THAN YOU FOR SAYING THE TRUTH.

American troops never hurt or injured a single Iraqi.

Even today because of the Americans, Iraq has better infrastructure than most US cities. 

America made Iraq and the word a safer place by invading Iraq.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, rectum said:

Canada should double down their support for Ukraine. 

 

Ukrainian are defending Canada freedom and democracy with their lives, so why should Canada not help them?

Canadian are coward bitches who should be in Ukraine fighting for Freedom and democracy, but all they do is just send arms.

Without Ukrainian courage, the Russian will be in Canada in 48hours and here is what they will do:

1. Shit inside every bottle of maple syrup
2. as you drink your morning coffee ejaculate in your coffee and force you to drink it
3. as you drink Russian semen, Chinese will come and put a finger up your rectum 
4. as you enjoy the Chinese finger up your rectum, they will put a pumpkin up there

Is that what you want, is that what you want? 

 

Lol...what a "want" is for reality to finally set in.

Russia will not be invading Canada and please keep your anal fantasies to yourself.

[rectum]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

 

For Putin's invasion there aren't even remote grounds. It's as unlawful, illegal attack of a sovereign European nation as

 

Exactly, Ukraine is a crime because their blood is pure and they are blond with blue eyes.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, rectum said:

 

THAN YOU FOR SAYING THE TRUTH.

American troops never hurt or injured a single Iraqi.

Even today because of the Americans, Iraq has better infrastructure than most US cities. 

America made Iraq and the word a safer place by invading Iraq.

Wait...what???