Current Events Evidence: The election, court rulings, etc.

[Aristides]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

Ivanka said that she "rejected" her fathers election fraud claim. But she could not produce any proof herself that the election was not a fraud. Dino is probably a good name for you. ?

You can't prove a negative but you never stop trying.

[taxme]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can't prove a negative but you never stop trying.

But you can never prove anything that you say here yourself but you never stop trying.

Touche lefty.  ?

[Nationalist]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re clearly confused.   The woman-hating 40-yr old virgin internet trolls living in their parents basement are all Trump supporters. 
 

In contrast my wife and I have a great life, both with great jobs, great salaries, great kids, living in a great home and a great cottage. Our life is great in every economy. 
 

You’re abject failure is that you’re not able to provide any intelligent rebuttal to my post when I dismantle your silly claims  so you stoop to petty childish insults and name calling. 

No Beave. I don't believe a word of this. And rebutting garbage would be silly.

[Michael Hardner]

On 6/10/2022 at 9:27 PM, Nationalist said:

Lol...

Now we move to "systemic" fraud.

Mike you're defending the indefensible. 

And I suspect you know it.

By that I mean the kind of coordinated large scale fraud that would be necessary to overturn the federal election.

I don't see it.

For that matter I don't see a large scale conspiracy January 6 either.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

No Beave. I don't believe a word of this. And rebutting garbage would be silly.

Deny reality all you want. Your habit of responding to inconvenient truths with childish insults proves me right every time. You might as well be waving a white flag. 

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

Ivanka said that she "rejected" her fathers election fraud claim. But she could not produce any proof herself that the election was not a fraud. Dino is probably a good name for you. ?

Your hilarious idiocy. Now we need proof that the election was NOT a fraud.  Do you know how stupid that sounds? Prove you’re NOT a child molester. 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/10/2022 at 9:27 PM, Nationalist said:

Lol...

Now we move to "systemic" fraud.

Mike you're defending the indefensible. 

And I suspect you know it.

No, nobody is moving anything the Right is shifting their arguments to push tje Big Lie

 

1) First the Righties  try to point to the few isolated cases of attempted fraud from random kooks, which have happened in every single election in America history, and try to claim that somehow it proves that there was a vast coordinated conspiracy that tipped the results in favour of Biden in 2020

2) When it is correctly pointed out that  there’s no evidence that these isolated cases are part of a vast conspiracy the Righties say “oh now the left is changing their story to ‘no systemic fraud’  when in fact the story hasn’t changed  

 

You Big Lie conspiracists ate trying to destroy democracy, you are the ones trying to overturn the results of an election and install the loser in office  
 

I get that you believe as a religious conviction in your heart of hearts that Trump won the election, and you don’t care if you don’t have any concrete  evidence and you don’t care if nobody else believes you, because you “know” that it’s true.  Just like a Muslim imam “knows” that Mohammad is the true messenger of God and doesn’t care if there’s no evidence or if nobody else believes him. This kind of faith-based belief system is a pathology of extremists and currently a problem of the Right. 
 

The reason you’re such a danger to democracy is not the fact that you believe in falsehoods or far-fetched half-baked conspiracy theories or have what I think are the “wrong” opinions on issues. What makes you a threat to democracy  is the  fact that you still want to have Trump installed as president despite having zero evidence and despite having failed abysmally at all the democratic means of challenging the election results   You don’t care if you have no evidence and nobody believes you and you don’t care what the rules of democracy say, you still want to force your way on the public by any means necessary  

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

There was no "Big Lie." Pardon me there is, kind of. The big lie is there was no rigging of media, judicial tampering, tampering of the electoral process and yes, fraud. There was good reason to be suspicious of that election.

And what was done the perpetrators want to do again. They're calling it "protecting democracy." There's another big lie for you.

Oh...and here's another one. There was no "insurrection." That's a media driven lie. There was a minor riot organized by a small group of agitators and possibly government agents.

Oh and Beave, all these smears and slurs you're slinging should be addressed to a mirror.

Edited June 12, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

By that I mean the kind of coordinated large scale fraud that would be necessary to overturn the federal election.

I don't see it.

For that matter I don't see a large scale conspiracy January 6 either.

Ok to what "systemic" fraud?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Your hilarious idiocy. Now we need proof that the election was NOT a fraud.  Do you know how stupid that sounds? Prove you’re NOT a child molester. 

'please prove my conspiracy didn't happen.  if you don't then it did.'

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Deny reality all you want. Your habit of responding to inconvenient truths with childish insults proves me right every time. You might as well be waving a white flag. 

Lol...can I use you white sheet??

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Ok to what "systemic" fraud?

Any kind of organized large scale fraud to steal the election.

[Nationalist]

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No, nobody is moving anything the Right is shifting their arguments to push tje Big Lie

 

1) First the Righties  try to point to the few isolated cases of attempted fraud from random kooks, which have happened in every single election in America history, and try to claim that somehow it proves that there was a vast coordinated conspiracy that tipped the results in favour of Biden in 2020

2) When it is correctly pointed out that  there’s no evidence that these isolated cases are part of a vast conspiracy the Righties say “oh now the left is changing their story to ‘no systemic fraud’  when in fact the story hasn’t changed  

 

You Big Lie conspiracists ate trying to destroy democracy, you are the ones trying to overturn the results of an election and install the loser in office  
 

I get that you believe as a religious conviction in your heart of hearts that Trump won the election, and you don’t care if you don’t have any concrete  evidence and you don’t care if nobody else believes you, because you “know” that it’s true.  Just like a Muslim imam “knows” that Mohammad is the true messenger of God and doesn’t care if there’s no evidence or if nobody else believes him. This kind of faith-based belief system is a pathology of extremists and currently a problem of the Right. 
 

The reason you’re such a danger to democracy is not the fact that you believe in falsehoods or far-fetched half-baked conspiracy theories or have what I think are the “wrong” opinions on issues. What makes you a threat to democracy  is the  fact that you still want to have Trump installed as president despite having zero evidence and despite having failed abysmally at all the democratic means of challenging the election results   You don’t care if you have no evidence and nobody believes you and you don’t care what the rules of democracy say, you still want to force your way on the public by any means necessary  

 

 

"The Big Lie"?

You mean how Biden won the election? 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Any kind of organized large scale fraud to steal the election.

Like...mailin ballots. 

[BeaverFever]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol...can I use you white sheet??

Ask your Republican friends, if they can take a break from wearing them as robes. 

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Ask your Republican friends, if they can take a break from wearing them as robes. 

Republicans have never worn white sheets Beave. I'd have thought you knew that.

[BeaverFever]

 

12 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

"The Big Lie"?

You mean how Biden won the election? 

No the Big Lie is the baseless and zero-evidence false claim which Trumps own attorney general called “Bullshit” and even Ivanka agreed is untrue, and that Republicans have used to personally enrich themselves  Here is just one example from reality which Im sure didn’t penetrate your right wing propaganda bubble.  Can you explain why your right wing “news” sources didn’t cover this one?

 

She helped create The Big Lie. Records suggest she turned it into a big grift.

Over the last two presidential election cycles, True the Vote has raised millions in donations with claims that it discovered tide-turning voter fraud. It’s promised to release its evidence. It never has.

Instead, the Texas-based nonprofit organization has engaged in a series of questionable transactions that sent more than $1 million combined to its founder, a longtime board member romantically linked to the founder and the group’s general counsel, an investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting has found.
 

 

https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2022/06/09/she-helped-create-the-big-lie-records-suggest-she-turned-it-into-a-big-grift/

[ironstone]

Mules, mules and more mules. Who can look at that security camera footage and say with 100% certainty that there is absolutely nothing even mildly suspicious about all these people stuffing the drop boxes in the wee hours of the morning?

Suspicious things have often happened in US elections at different levels. Democrats that have lost close elections in the past seemed to have the miraculous ability to just keep "finding" new ballots which invariably tilt the election in their favour and as soon as that happens they are automatically certified as the winner.

John Ashcroft absolutely had a Senate seat stolen from him in 2000 when a state judge ordered polls in heavily Democratic St. Louis to remain open for an extra three hours. Republicans didn’t even hear about it for another hour. Despite an appellate court striking down the ridiculously lawless order, St. Louis was given an extra 3 1/2 hours to kick out tens of thousands of additional votes. Ashcroft lost the election by 49,000 votes.

A week after the 2004 Washington state gubernatorial election, Republican Dino Rossi was up by 3,492 votes against Democrat Christine Gregoire. Then Democratic King county began finding “misplaced” ballots, eventually producing more than 10,000 of them.

Hey, guys! I found another box of ballots under the sink!

So that’s another 800 votes for Gregoire.

     Oh wait — you’re not going to believe this …

You found more votes?

     Bingo! 600 votes for Gregoire.

An examination of the records later showed that about 1,800 more ballots had been cast than there were voters who had requested them.

Notwithstanding the miraculously appearing ballots, Rossi won the recount a few weeks later, but his lead was cut to 42 votes — easily within stealing distance. Democrat Christine Gregoire demanded a hand recount, and that put her ahead by 129 votes, whereupon she was promptly declared the winner.

Washington voters overwhelmingly believed the election had been stolen and wanted a revote. Democrats didn’t care. Nothing was ever done about the flagrant vote fraud. Washington now has 100 percent mail-in-ballots and no Republican has ever again won the governorship.

In 2008, Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota won his 2008 reelection bid against challenger Al Franken by 725 votes. But for weeks after the election, Democratic precincts kept “discovering” new votes for Franken.

Day after day, votes were added to Franken’s column, while votes were taken away from Coleman. Random error would not continually benefit only one side.

On account of Franken’s charisma shield, Barack Obama, who was running for president that year, won hundreds of thousands more votes than Franken in the same election, on the same ticket, in the same state that year. But during the “corrections,” Franken was winning three times as many votes as Obama .

So the Democrats weren’t worried about believability.

Eventually, all these late-discovered ballots put Franken ahead by 312 votes, whereupon he was immediately certified the winner by the George Soros-backed Minnesota secretary of state.

Even with Biden's disastrous poll numbers(well deserved) it's by no means a certain thing the Democrats will suffer big losses in the midterms. As horrible as Joe Biden and his policies are, he can still count on the unwavering support and rhetoric from his friends in the MSM.

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Republicans have never worn white sheets Beave. I'd have thought you knew that.

David Duke

Chester Doles

Tommy Benton

Strom Thurmond 

KKK OFFICIALLY ENDORSED TRUMP

 

 

[ironstone]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Ask your Republican friends, if they can take a break from wearing them as robes. 

You're clearly not a student of history otherwise you would be aware that it was in fact the Democrats that often liked to wear white robes.

[BeaverFever]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You're clearly not a student of history otherwise you would be aware that it was in fact the Democrats that often liked to wear white robes.

If you were a student of history you would know about the Republicans  “Southern Strategy” and how the bloc of southern Democrats who called themselves the “Dixiecrats” defected to the Republican party once the Democrats officially endorsed the Civil Rights movement 

Edited June 12, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Mules, mules and more mules. Who can look at that security camera footage and say with 100% certainty that there is absolutely nothing even mildly suspicious about all these people stuffing the drop boxes in the wee hours of the morning?

Suspicious things have often happened in US elections at different levels. Democrats that have lost close elections in the past seemed to have the miraculous ability to just keep "finding" new ballots which invariably tilt the election in their favour and as soon as that happens they are automatically certified as the winner.

John Ashcroft absolutely had a Senate seat stolen from him in 2000 when a state judge ordered polls in heavily Democratic St. Louis to remain open for an extra three hours. Republicans didn’t even hear about it for another hour. Despite an appellate court striking down the ridiculously lawless order, St. Louis was given an extra 3 1/2 hours to kick out tens of thousands of additional votes. Ashcroft lost the election by 49,000 votes.

A week after the 2004 Washington state gubernatorial election, Republican Dino Rossi was up by 3,492 votes against Democrat Christine Gregoire. Then Democratic King county began finding “misplaced” ballots, eventually producing more than 10,000 of them.

Hey, guys! I found another box of ballots under the sink!

So that’s another 800 votes for Gregoire.

     Oh wait — you’re not going to believe this …

You found more votes?

     Bingo! 600 votes for Gregoire.

An examination of the records later showed that about 1,800 more ballots had been cast than there were voters who had requested them.

Notwithstanding the miraculously appearing ballots, Rossi won the recount a few weeks later, but his lead was cut to 42 votes — easily within stealing distance. Democrat Christine Gregoire demanded a hand recount, and that put her ahead by 129 votes, whereupon she was promptly declared the winner.

Washington voters overwhelmingly believed the election had been stolen and wanted a revote. Democrats didn’t care. Nothing was ever done about the flagrant vote fraud. Washington now has 100 percent mail-in-ballots and no Republican has ever again won the governorship.

In 2008, Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota won his 2008 reelection bid against challenger Al Franken by 725 votes. But for weeks after the election, Democratic precincts kept “discovering” new votes for Franken.

Day after day, votes were added to Franken’s column, while votes were taken away from Coleman. Random error would not continually benefit only one side.

On account of Franken’s charisma shield, Barack Obama, who was running for president that year, won hundreds of thousands more votes than Franken in the same election, on the same ticket, in the same state that year. But during the “corrections,” Franken was winning three times as many votes as Obama .

So the Democrats weren’t worried about believability.

Eventually, all these late-discovered ballots put Franken ahead by 312 votes, whereupon he was immediately certified the winner by the George Soros-backed Minnesota secretary of state.

Even with Biden's disastrous poll numbers(well deserved) it's by no means a certain thing the Democrats will suffer big losses in the midterms. As horrible as Joe Biden and his policies are, he can still count on the unwavering support and rhetoric from his friends in the MSM.

In other words Republicans have a history of unproven election fraud accusations and their unproven accusations from past years are their “evidence” that “prove” further unproven election fraud claims  

 

Like if I want to falsely accuse you of being a criminal I should first falsely accuse your dad of being a criminal and then when I accuse you I can say you family has a history  of criminal allegations  

 

 

[ironstone]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

In other words Republicans have a history of unproven election fraud accusations and their unproven accusations from past years are their “evidence” that “prove” further unproven election fraud claims  

 

Like if I want to falsely accuse you of being a criminal I should first falsely accuse your dad of being a criminal and then when I accuse you I can say you family has a history  of criminal allegations  

 

 

Are you aware at all of any Democrats that have made allegations of election fraud? Will you ignore this question?

As far as the black's  are concerned it's clear that the Democrats still "own" the majority of the black vote and this seems crazy to me.  

I don't think blacks have done better under Democratic policies and likely have been worse off.

LBJ's "War on Poverty" Hurt Black Americans - Project 21 (nationalcenter.org)

Under Democratic rule, aren't blacks being displaced with hispanics?

The Great Replacement Switcheroo - Ann Coulter

[BeaverFever]

27 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Are you aware at all of any Democrats that have made allegations of election fraud? Will you ignore this question?

As far as the black's  are concerned it's clear that the Democrats still "own" the majority of the black vote and this seems crazy to me.  

I don't think blacks have done better under Democratic policies and likely have been worse off.

LBJ's "War on Poverty" Hurt Black Americans - Project 21 (nationalcenter.org)

Under Democratic rule, aren't blacks being displaced with hispanics?

The Great Replacement Switcheroo - Ann Coulter

There is no Democrat equivalent yo the Big Lie. Every Democrat who has ever lost an election has conceded defeat even if they have disagreed with the outcome. Pathetic attempts to normalize Trump’s  Big Lie and attempted coup by comparing it to Bush v Gore or the complaints over 2016 Russian interference are exactly that…..pathetic. 
 

Republicans’ disgusting racist replacement theory that results in mass murders of black people like the recent one in Buffalo isn’t any less disgusting or racist when you also claim blacks are being replaced by other races. 
 

It’s also disgustingly racist for Republicans to suggest Black people are “owned” by Democrats and aren’t intelligent enough to understand their interests and issues  

As for your link on LBJ it’s just more right wing backwards logic nonsense. where they claim making peoples lives  more miserable builds character and making peoples lives easier makes them dependent (but of course Republicans never want their own lives to be made harder it’s always blacks and poor people who need the lesson)

[ironstone]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There is no Democrat equivalent yo the Big Lie. Every Democrat who has ever lost an election has conceded defeat even if they have disagreed with the outcome. Pathetic attempts to normalize Trump’s  Big Lie and attempted coup by comparing it to Bush v Gore or the complaints over 2016 Russian interference are exactly that…..pathetic. 
 

Republicans’ disgusting racist replacement theory that results in mass murders of black people like the recent one in Buffalo isn’t any less disgusting or racist when you also claim blacks are being replaced by other races. 
 

It’s also disgustingly racist for Republicans to suggest Black people are “owned” by Democrats and aren’t intelligent enough to understand their interests and issues  

As for your link on LBJ it’s just more right wing backwards logic nonsense. where they claim making peoples lives  more miserable builds character and making peoples lives easier makes them dependent (but of course Republicans never want their own lives to be made harder it’s always blacks and poor people who need the lesson)

Nonsense as usual.

It's not just me talking about replacement theory. Your own heroes are flaunting it.

HERE ARE THE NUTCASES WHO BELIEVE IN “REPLACEMENT” - Ann Coulter

You can choose to ignore the long history of Democrats challenging election results and/or claiming it was stolen. Hillary Clinton? Al Gore?

Please tell me how blacks are better off with the destruction of the family unit in their communities. How are they better off with abortion clinics in their communities. Remember it is the Democrats that always play the dirty identity politics game.

My link on LBJ was from a black organization in case you missed it.