How is $2.10/ liter of gasoline going to affect you, if at all?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

In the Vancouver area numbers will be different, given the high percentage of immigrants and other factors.  Go further into the interior or in the north and look there.

OMG.

1) Are you suggesting that Indo-Canadians don't work in construction? 

2) Aren't you in Victoria? 

3) The more rural of an area you live in, and the larger your property is, the greater your need for a truck. If you have a lot that's over 15,000 sq feet you pretty much need a truck, unless you can afford landscapers. 

[cougar]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

3) The more rural of an area you live in, and the larger your property is, the greater your need for a truck. If you have a lot that's over 15,000 sq feet you pretty much need a truck, unless you can afford landscapers. 

What would that "lot" be?   If you have a farm, things are different than having just a "lot" that requires a bit of gardening, pruning, whatever.

Bottom line is, people try to take more than what they need, which requires bigger machines, bigger trucks and they use that as justification.  There is no justification.

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, cougar said:

What would that "lot" be?   If you have a farm, things are different than having just a "lot" that requires a bit of gardening, pruning, whatever.

Bottom line is, people try to take more than what they need, which requires bigger machines, bigger trucks and they use that as justification.  There is no justification.

FYI that's just one of the things that I mentioned, but you're conflating rural people with lots over 15,000 sq ft with city-dwellers who have a lot more land than they need. 

In rural areas 15,000 sq ft is normal, even small. 

If I moved to a condo in the city, sure, I would get rid of my pressure washer and all of my landscaping equipment (which isn't much) and almost all of my tools. Even my camping equipment. It's a totally different lifestyle. But when we owned a 19,000 sq ft lot I was constantly towing a utility trailer around, and we always needed things like fencing, pavers, rocks, soil, etc. That's not realistic with a Tesla, and not everyone can afford/has the room for a 3rd vehicle like an old F-250. 

Trucks are a reality, and if you price them, it's obvious that most guys weren't choosing an F-150 if they could drive a pimped-out Mustang or Nissan Murano for much less. 

[cougar]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

But when we owned a 19,000 sq ft lot I was constantly towing a utility trailer around, and we always needed things like fencing, pavers, rocks, soil, etc. That's not realistic with a Tesla, and not everyone can afford/has the room for a 3rd vehicle like an old F-250. 

 

And did you really need your 19,000 sq ft lot ?

Could have left nature do the landscaping for you, while you lived in a properly sized for you place, drove a small car and still enjoyed what is out there?

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, cougar said:

And did you really need your 19,000 sq ft lot ?

Could have left nature do the landscaping for you, while you lived in a properly sized for you place, drove a small car and still enjoyed what is out there?

We operate a small business, and in the area that we work out of, that home was priced according to what we could afford, it fit all of our kids, and could fit our business. We also believed in real estate as a great investment, and in the lower mainland, I'm sure you know how true that has been since '95 when I bought my first condo. 

Now we have a commercial space, which takes up sq footage, but also gives us a storefront, and a smaller home with suites for the two grown-ups and their husbands. We're under 3,800 sq ft here, that's very modest for 7 people. 

If you ever owned a business I'm sure that you'll understand that we never took up more space than we needed because we don't have a guaranteed income and we will always have expenses. Business owners don't qualify for mortgages quite as easily as people with similar incomes and regular 9-5s.

Living in excess is for people who "have made it", and right now we haven't 'made it', plus we are still supporting a lot of people - our kids are still paying off student debt so they don't pay rent. 

I personally drive a Passat TDI and my wife's SUV isn't a luxury brand. We don't live in excess at all and that's not our plan for the future. We're more focused on setting our kids up. I don't know how kids these days will ever own a home if their parents rent. 

I have ample room to criticize leftist climate alarmist idols, like Suzuki/DiCaprio/Prince William/Bernie Sanders/Barack Obama/John Kerry/Justin Trudeau, who talk about climate change from one side of their mouth while laughing out the other, and leaving behind the carbon footprint of a small- to mid-sized town. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

Could have left nature do the landscaping for you, 

I forgot about this part, and the answer is obviously no.

Look at how much houses cost, and imagine the difference in price if you have an urban goat ranch or a normal yard. 

[cougar]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I forgot about this part, and the answer is obviously no.

Look at how much houses cost, and imagine the difference in price if you have an urban goat ranch or a normal yard. 

Everyone's situation is different.  But I see two things quite regularly:

1. People living on more land than they actually need, building all kinds of structures to fill them up with stuff they again don't need, and of course having the big truck to move their stuff around.

2. People who do not have the means for a big property, ending up with a small townhouse, who still believe they need a big truck, parking it in this parking lot sized up for a regular vehicle and creating a huge hazard for everyone moving in and out of the townhouse complex.  Not a single case, but many, many such cases.

I am not in a big hurry to try to own what I cannot own.  My concept is I have more when I buy less.

But then there are all those investor types, who keep buying more and selling more and making millions in between and they will never stop.

Edited March 13, 2022 by cougar

[RedDog]

I run a Vespa scooter and a city transit pass. Where I’m getting murdered is grocery prices. I’m single and live alone with my cat. I have no clue how single parents are doing it.

Why are other oil producing nations paying pennies a litre? Canada is a tax paying welfare extortion transfer prison.

Get Alberta Out!

[Zeitgeist]

35 minutes ago, RedDog said:

I run a Vespa scooter and a city transit pass. Where I’m getting murdered is grocery prices. I’m single and live alone with my cat. I have no clue how single parents are doing it.

Why are other oil producing nations paying pennies a litre? Canada is a tax paying welfare extortion transfer prison.

Get Alberta Out!

I want Ontario out of Trudeau’s post-national globalist dictatorship. Free the slaves.  Remember the Underground Railroad.  Bring liberty to Canada.  

Edited March 13, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[cougar]

28 minutes ago, RedDog said:

Why are other oil producing nations paying pennies a litre? Canada is a tax paying welfare extortion transfer prison.

Because, I imagine, other nations are putting their national interests first.  If we had a spine of any kind in Canada, we could produce gas for ourselves and price it the way we want, then export any excess at international market prices, and only if producing excess oil was sustainable for the environment.

Unfortunately, as I have said it openly many times here, we are not a nation!  We are just a Monopoli board for others to play their capitalist game - exploit our resources and exploit us as labor.

We are not a nation based on our origin and heritage.  We are prone to manipulation by other nations, as many of our citizens have dual citizenship and may be working for foreign interests.  We sell land to foreigners and foreign entities.  We have made this country all but unmanageable - a piece of land that is open to everyone to take.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, cougar said:

Because, I imagine, other nations are putting their national interests first.  If we had a spine of any kind in Canada, we could produce gas for ourselves and price it the way we want, then export any excess at international market prices, and only if producing excess oil was sustainable for the environment.

Unfortunately, as I have said it openly many times here, we are not a nation!  We are just a Monopoli board for others to play their capitalist game - exploit our resources and exploit us as labor.

We are not a nation based on our origin and heritage.  We are prone to manipulation by other nations, as many of our citizens have dual citizenship and may be working for foreign interests.  We sell land to foreigners and foreign entities.  We have made this country all but unmanageable - a piece of land that is open to everyone to take.

Yes.  Norway figured it out.  Make energy work for Canada.  

[cougar]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Yes.  Norway figured it out.  Make energy work for Canada.  

How? Send the truckers convoy back to Ottawa to show that little measly crook the obvious?  Something he knows or should have known from the time he was a teenager?

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes.  Norway figured it out.  Make energy work for Canada.  

Basically make Canada the freest country on Earth.  Secure abundant energy supply and lessez-faire government   Low tax, low regulation, with the best really solid and affordable green tech   

 

[cougar]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Basically make Canada the freest country on Earth.  Secure abundant energy supply and lessez-faire government   Low tax, low regulation, with the best really solid and affordable green tech   

 

How?  You have to first see what chunk of Canada has already been sold and to whom.  Then, as I said, there are foreign citizens working for foreign interests.  You can do absolutely nothing about it at this stage.   Importing half a million foreigners each year does not help either.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, cougar said:

How?  You have to first see what chunk of Canada has already been sold and to whom.  Then, as I said, there are foreign citizens working for foreign interests.  You can do absolutely nothing about it at this stage.   Importing half a million foreigners each year does not help either.

Well Canada is a rich country with shrinking deficits.  I don’t understand how.  Canada could be Florida politically tomorrow.  I’d love that.  

[cougar]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well Canada is a rich country with shrinking deficits.  I don’t understand how.  Canada could be Florida politically tomorrow.  I’d love that.  

Really?   The deficits shrunk in the past 10 years?  

No, my friend, it is a game.  Deficits will never shrink.  We will always be in debt till the living conditions and air and water pollution is so bad we cannot live any more. 

We live in a scam.  Mark my word.

[cougar]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I forgot about this part, and the answer is obviously no.

Look at how much houses cost, and imagine the difference in price if you have an urban goat ranch or a normal yard. 

You see, that's bad, because nature does the best landscaping.  What we can ever achieve is a concrete ghetto or a stinky landfill.

Now take a look at this and tell we why on earth would I want to own a chunk of land?

I already have it! All of it!  Because I can make it up there!  If I cannot any more, whoever else gets up there can have it.

But I still can and always will and this is where I AM FREE !  Not in the fucking urban environment Trudeau or any other Canadian idiot wants to create for me.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upUW_LQKoRQ

 

My dog has been present on all of my best days since 2014 - following my steps on all trails in BC and the Yukon - winter and summer - rain, sun, blizzards.  he has been there while i landed some 100 steelhead and who knows how many other fish.  He has chased after bears,moose and all kinds of other animals.  He gets his usual food, lots of sausages and cheese and sometimes I cook him chicken with sweet potatoes.  He sleeps by my bed and follows me everywhere.  He is always happy to go out with me.

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by cougar

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well Canada is a rich country with shrinking deficits.  I don’t understand how.  Canada could be Florida politically tomorrow.  I’d love that.  

Somehow I'm not surprised.  

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Somehow I'm not surprised.  

Yup you’re an elitist taking cheap potshots because you think you’re above working people.  Keep up the discriminatory ridicule.  Looks good on you.  

[-TSS-]

People who have cars absolutely need cars. They don't have cars for fun. If the petrol-price goes up it is away from something else.

A bit hard to compare to the US-prices as they have the dollar and the unit of measurement is gallon but the average price of petrol in the US is 4.4 dollars per gallon.

According to my calculations that equals 1.10 euros/litre and Americans think that is already too expensive.

In Europe petrol is everywhere already above two euros per litre.

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, cougar said:

You see, that's bad, because nature does the best landscaping.  What we can ever achieve is a concrete ghetto or a stinky landfill.

We're not idiots. We know what happens to the value of our property if we just let nature handle our landscaping. 

[cougar]

50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We're not idiots. We know what happens to the value of our property if we just let nature handle our landscaping. 

So showing me a fall picture, with trees that have no leaves on a gloomy day and comparing it to a summer picture on a bright sunny day?

This is not what I meant by "leave it to nature".  What I meant is, you just have your small yard that you need and leave all the rest to nature to do its landscaping, produce oxygen and food for all other species we live with - bugs and bees, birds, reptiles, fish, mammals and everything else alive.

 

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, cougar said:

So showing me a fall picture, with trees that have no leaves on a gloomy day and comparing it to a summer picture on a bright sunny day?

Do you think that those places both look the same in the fall? I think not.

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This is not what I meant by "leave it to nature".  What I meant is, you just have your small yard that you need and leave all the rest to nature to do its landscaping, produce oxygen and food for all other species we live with - bugs and bees, birds, reptiles, fish, mammals and everything else alive.

I was happiest when I lived in a condo.

I had a 12 minute commute and when I got home I only needed my car a couple times a week. 

I could walk to IGA, restaurants, dentist, Dr, pubs, bars, etc and I'd take the Skytrain to hockey games & movies.

I didn't have any yard work to do, I didn't need tools and landscaping equipment.

All I'd have to do if I went away for a week was lock the door and I was good, just like you'd do if you owned a house and you went to buy a loaf of bread. 

I don't need 'lots of shit' to be happy, but I live in the real world and we run a business and have kids, so the simple life has to wait. 

[cougar]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1. Do you think that those places both look the same in the fall? I think not.

2. I was happiest when I lived in a condo.

 

1. Probably not, but we started this discussion from the need for a pickup truck.  I will maintain that in both scenarios you have shown in your pictures above you do not need a pickup truck to carry on with your life on the property shown.

2. You see, this is what I had in mind.  I am close to being in this situation (but I am probably in a better one).  I may cut a few tree branches a year and collect a few bags of leaves, but I do not need a pickup.  When others are busy mowing lawns, plowing snow, building sheds and what not, I can just sit in the small front yard and drink wine. If gas goes up to $10/liter, I can just walk to the grocery store and back - 10 minutes tops.

 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, cougar said:

1. Probably not, but we started this discussion from the need for a pickup truck.  I will maintain that in both scenarios you have shown in your pictures above you do not need a pickup truck to carry on with your life on the property shown.

It's not a 15,000 sq ft yard either

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2. You see, this is what I had in mind.  I am close to being in this situation (but I am probably in a better one).  I may cut a few tree branches a year and collect a few bags of leaves, but I do not need a pickup.  When others are busy mowing lawns, plowing snow, building sheds and what not, I can just sit in the small front yard and drink wine. If gas goes up to $10/liter, I can just walk to the grocery store and back - 10 minutes tops.

That's fine, but your version of heaven isn't for everyone. Nor is mine.

To each their own, and people who are more self-reliant than you spend the extra money to own a pickup and they can also make considerably more money at work if they own it.