War In Ukraine

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, athos said:

Hopefully Russia will bring freedom to Ukraine, Germany, Europe and America.

with such a poorly trained, organized, led & equipped Russian military

Russia will be easily subjugated by the Chinese PLA

since the Russian military can't fight its way out of a wet paper bag apparently

what a fiasco this botched "special military operation" has been

Russia looks so weak & pathetic now, China must be thinking about invading Russia at this point

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I can understand Putin-trolls on Finnish or other European discussion boards but on a Canadian forum? What is there to achieve?

Training maybe...practicing to hone their skills.

[Dougie93]

in terms of the exact mechanism of the Russian operational failure here

it is exactly the same as the Soviets in the Winter War with Finland

instead of just taking one axis straight to the capital of Helsinki

Stalin wanted to emulate Hitler's invasion of Poland

so Stalin insisted that the Soviet Army launch a five pronged attack like the Germans did in Poland

the result was that the Soviet's lacked the logistics to support the five different axes of advance

and as such the Soviets ground to a halt in a Finnish hornet's nest

the Russians have made the exact same mistake here

 

 

[Dougie93]

the Russians continue to shoot up the suburbs outside Kyiv, in a two pronged attack

in the northwest at Irpin and to the east at Brovary

but still remaining well outside the city limits

the Russians continue to bombard Chernihiv, Sumy, Kharkiv & Mariupol

the Russians have occupied Kherson,

but are facing large civilian protests, firing in the air failed to disperse them

the Russians are fighting in Mykolayiv, but have not made any progress down the highway to Odessa

the Russians are launching cruise missiles into west Ukraine, all the way to the Polish border

but the Russians still have no ground forces at all in the west of the country

at end of day 18; the Russians have still made no real progress from where they were on day 1

in the north; they have failed to take Kyiv & depose the government

in the south; the Ukrainian port of Odessa remains open on the Black Sea

 

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, athos said:

Children of Donbass killed by Ukrainian  Nazis over the past 8 years.

Can you elaborate on all of this?

And do it so that westerner who never heard a single thing about Ukraine until Putin invaded Crimea would understand. You have to understand that while Europe was doing its thing, we were all focusing on scandals and elections in Canada, watching the USA burn, and then a presidential election. 

I watch a fair amount of news, I even watch MSM propaganda because I have to be aware of what leftists are being subjected to, and all I know is that Crimea was suddenly taken over by Russia after the Olympics, and then Russians claimed that there was a revolt taking place in eastern Ukraine, but it was portrayed as Russians just taking it over and lying to the rest of the world.

A google search here will bring up anything but what you're talking about. 

[athos]

Western Junk Food Quitting Russia? Lucky Russians!

Western fast-food chains and peddlers of toxic sugary drinks, such as McDonald, Burger King, Centaci fried chicken and other crap,  are closing down their restaurants or leaving behind operations in Russia – purportedly in protest over the conflict in Ukraine.

That’s supposed to be punishment for Russia's alleged “unprovoked invasion” as if years of US and NATO-backed aggression with Neo-Nazi proxies were non-existent.

A more rationale observation would be: that’s great.

Admittedly, one immediate downside to this is the fair number of Russian citizens who are employed by Western fast-food restaurants and auxiliary businesses. The Russian government ought to make sure that adequate compensation is provided to all employees dumped at short notice by their Western bosses.

 

But aside from that disruption to Russian workers, the reports of Western junk food and drinks companies leaving the country are really something to welcome.

It has been well-documented that the prevalence of these outlets and their products are correlated with soaring rates of ill-health and morbidity from a slew of diseases from diabetes to obesity among populations. Every country where these companies proliferate is inflicted with devastating health problems.

The detrimental impact on societies is incalculable. Allowing Western fast-food chains into your nation is akin to opening the door for biological warfare against your population and on generations to come. Under the guise of legal commerce, of course.

The irony is that the presence of these American companies with their gaudy icons is supposed to be a mark of modernity and dare we say neoliberal economic progress.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening of US brands in Moscow and other Russian cities was celebrated as heralding the opening up of state communism to free-market liberalism. It was supposed to be a metaphor for American victory in the Cold War and the notional superiority of capitalism.

Burger King restaurant in Evropeysky Mall

 

By pulling out of Russia now in protest over the conflict in Ukraine, the intended implication is that Russia is deemed to be going backward and is being designated as a pariah.

What a cheek from these virtue-signaling hucksters! Did they ever make public protests when American, British and French warplanes and bombs were and are obliterating people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Yemen?

Hypocrisy aside, the pullout of the Western fast-food and sugar-drinks corporations from Russia is an unprocessed good thing. Russian people will benefit much by not having these merchants of biological poisons in their societies.

The same goes for the platforms of junk media. The US-based social media giants might be banned altogether from Russia after their decision this week to permit calls for violence against Russian soldiers and the country’s president Vladimir Putin. Seriously, these same companies are banning Russian news outlets for giving an alternative, perhaps even more accurate view of world events, yet when it comes to expressions of murder against Russian troops and political leaders, then that’s OK.

The Kremlin is now considering banning these companies in Russia over their double standards and indeed arguably their subversive content and incitement. Would Russia-based internet companies be tolerated in the US if they allowed users to call for the assassination of President Biden?

But again, ironically, getting rid of such social media platforms might be doing the Russian population a big favor in the long run. For these “information” purveyors are analogous to the fast-food giants. They peddle very poor diets for the brain and body. Not having them present to toxify society might turn out to be an important public health policy.

All in all, Russia will find that living without Western consumer capitalism is a liberating opportunity.

Just like the economic sanctions that the West has imposed on Russia in recent years, the unintended effect is to make Russia more self-sufficient and reorient it towards a more productive Eurasian integration. As Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted this week, the country is aiming to end all economic dependence on Western nations that have been shown to be unreliable and treacherous. The future lies in Russia’s economic partnership with China and Eurasian integration. Why should Russia waste its resources on Western states whose politicians are denigrating and intent on destroying Russia?

And without Western junk food and junk information, Russia will be a lot stronger and healthier for its new geopolitical direction.

 

https://sputniknews.com/20220311/western-junk-food-quitting-russia-lucky-russians-1093780247.html

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[athos]

39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Can you elaborate on all of this?

And do it so that westerner who never heard a single thing about Ukraine until Putin invaded Crimea would understand. You have to understand that while Europe was doing its thing, we were all focusing on scandals and elections in Canada, watching the USA burn, and then a presidential election. 

I watch a fair amount of news, I even watch MSM propaganda because I have to be aware of what leftists are being subjected to, and all I know is that Crimea was suddenly taken over by Russia after the Olympics, and then Russians claimed that there was a revolt taking place in eastern Ukraine, but it was portrayed as Russians just taking it over and lying to the rest of the world.

A google search here will bring up anything but what you're talking about. 

The servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who were captured by the forces of the DPR were led along the Alley of Angels in Donetsk, a place of memory for children who died during the 8 years of the war in Donbass. Take a good look at how many innocent children's lives you have taken with your shelling.

 

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, athos said:

The servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who were captured by the forces of the DPR were led along the Alley of Angels in Donetsk, a place of memory for children who died during the 8 years of the war in Donbass. Take a good look at how many innocent children's lives you have taken with your shelling.

 

 

That's a video of some guys being paraded in front of a grave marker. 

I didn't learn anything about the war in Donbass from seeing that.

When did it start? Why? How long did it last? It seems like the Bidens would have been there when it was happening, did they ever say anything about it? 

[Dougie93]

the American congress is working out a deal to transfer S-300PMU air defense missiles from Slovakia to Ukraine

arguably more useful than MiG-29's

the Russians getting shot down by their own Triple Digit SAM's, oh the irony

 

 

[athos]

On 3/13/2022 at 1:29 PM, -TSS- said:

I can understand Putin-trolls on Finnish or other European discussion boards but on a Canadian forum? What is there to achieve?

A good question that deserves a good answer.

The British Empire and their colonies were founded on the assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race as well as the extermination of millions of indigenous peoples and the exploitation of enslaved millions black Africans.
The worst kind of British racism has been manifested through the genocidal colonial racism that has destroyed many human lives and civilizations. Canada is still part of British Empire renamed Commonwealth. People in Canada desperately need to be educated on how to resist the oppressive totalitarian government and the brainwashing that comes from the deceptive mainstream media and basics about democracy, (Remember that the head of state of Canada has never been democratically elected).
Unfortunately, this is difficult to achieve given that Canada is still a British colony (not sovereign country) with a British monarch as head of the Canadian state, who is in accordance with Canadian constitution "Above the Law", which prevents Canada to develop own national and cultural identity. To summarize Canada is spatially huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant, currently ruled by Anglobrotherhood and it's Khazarian Wall Street banksters.

As a result of that in accordance with Canadian constitution this 'country' in fact does not even have citizens but the “British Subjects’ or ‘Subject of her Majesty' which is a projection of feudal caste system that is still present in Britain ('Subject' is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another looking up to a master). Now try to imagine that your head of state is a Swedish monarch or Russian president. You would definitely consider that as occupation of your country. Don't let your Russophobia stop you from thinking logically.

 

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[athos]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a video of some guys being paraded in front of a grave marker. 

I didn't learn anything about the war in Donbass from seeing that.

When did it start? Why? How long did it last? It seems like the Bidens would have been there when it was happening, did they ever say anything about it? 

 

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a video of some guys being paraded in front of a grave marker. 

I didn't learn anything about the war in Donbass from seeing that.

When did it start? Why? How long did it last? It seems like the Bidens would have been there when it was happening, did they ever say anything about it? 

Sorry, I'm only interested in the facts, not your religious beliefs. It seems that your blind Russophobia prevents you from accepting undisputed facts.

Stop wasting my and your time.

Thank you.

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[CITIZEN_2015]

Putin, Russian government and Russian army are committing genocides in Ukraine. They are all war criminals and my hope is that one day soon I see them all hanged or shot to death either by a military coup or  by international justice. Any attempt to try to distract attention of these widely proven facts (like falsely accusing Ukraine of genocide without any proof) is actively supporting or participation in these war crimes committed by Russia.

[athos]

People all over the free world support Russia

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

Putin has finally got himself into a real jam here

one, his invasion of Ukraine has already failed, and his military is completely bogged down there

two, he vastly underestimated how harsh, total, and rapid onset the sanctions would be

so he has both an utter military catastrophe

and a total economic collapse

on his hands at the same time

and he doesn't have anybody who can advise him

because all he has around him is sycophants & cronies

 

the smart Russian have already fled Russia to the West

 

because it won't be long before Putin will have to impose a New Iron Curtain to keep Russians from escaping

 

here is blog post by poor Constantin, from inside Russia

 

a construction worker explaining how his world is now collapsing all around him

 

as Russia collapses back to the pitiful state of the Soviet Union of forty years ago, practically overnight

 

 

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, athos said:

Sorry, I'm only interested in the facts, not your religious beliefs. It seems that your blind Russophobia prevents you from accepting undisputed facts.

Stop wasting my and your time.

Thank you.

don't you feel ashamed ?

these Siloviki in the Kremlin are obviously fools

they can't even fight a war properly

they are making Russian men and their wives poor, in front of their own children

it's shameful

they are bad military leaders

they are bad businessmen

these Security Men don't provide any security to Russians, they are cutting Russia's throats

why don't you just stop being cowards, and all rise up together against the Siloviki at the same time ?

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, athos said:

A good question that deserves a good answer.

The British Empire and their colonies were founded on the assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race as well as the extermination of millions of indigenous peoples and the exploitation of enslaved millions black Africans.
The worst kind of British racism has been manifested through the genocidal colonial racism that has destroyed many human lives and civilizations. Canada is still part of British Empire renamed Commonwealth. People in Canada desperately need to be educated on how to resist the oppressive totalitarian government and the brainwashing that comes from the deceptive mainstream media and basics about democracy, (Remember that the head of state of Canada has never been democratically elected).
Unfortunately, this is difficult to achieve given that Canada is still a British colony (not sovereign country) with a British monarch as head of the Canadian state, who is in accordance with Canadian constitution "Above the Law", which prevents Canada to develop own national and cultural identity. To summarize Canada is spatially huge, culturally tiny and politically insignificant, currently ruled by Anglobrotherhood and it's Khazarian Wall Street banksters.

As a result of that in accordance with Canadian constitution this 'country' in fact does not even have citizens but the “British Subjects’ or ‘Subject of her Majesty' which is a projection of feudal caste system that is still present in Britain ('Subject' is derived from the Latin words, sub and jacio, and means one who is under the power of another looking up to a master). Now try to imagine that your head of state is a Swedish monarch or Russian president. You would definitely consider that as occupation of your country. Don't let your Russophobia stop you from thinking logically.

 

Justin Trudeau it like Vladimir Putin

Vladimir Putin is like Justin Trudeau

Trudeau is our Putin

Putin is your Trudeau

but we will overthrow Justin Trudeau, he is already finished

you on the other hand, are stuck with Putin forever

ha ha ha ha ha !

Slava Ukraini !

 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, athos said:

People all over the free world support Russia

the Serbs are better soldiers than the Russians, no doubt

I don't think the Serbs will be foolish enough to fight with Putin now tho

this invasion is a total disaster, Russia has been exposed as a Paper Tiger

it is obvious based on the pathetic performance by the Russian military in Ukraine

that NATO would crush the Russian military in any military confrontation

that includes nuclear war, Russia would lose a nuclear against NATO as well

Putin is bluffing, and the Ukrainians have called his bluff

only Lukashenko is so stupid as to let this fiasco government in the Kremlin drag him down

 

[Dougie93]

6 hours ago, athos said:

Western Junk Food Quitting Russia? Lucky Russians!

Western fast-food chains and peddlers of toxic sugary drinks, such as McDonald, Burger King, Centaci fried chicken and other crap,  are closing down their restaurants or leaving behind operations in Russia – purportedly in protest over the conflict in Ukraine.

That’s supposed to be punishment for Russia's alleged “unprovoked invasion” as if years of US and NATO-backed aggression with Neo-Nazi proxies were non-existent.

A more rationale observation would be: that’s great.

Admittedly, one immediate downside to this is the fair number of Russian citizens who are employed by Western fast-food restaurants and auxiliary businesses. The Russian government ought to make sure that adequate compensation is provided to all employees dumped at short notice by their Western bosses.

 

But aside from that disruption to Russian workers, the reports of Western junk food and drinks companies leaving the country are really something to welcome.

It has been well-documented that the prevalence of these outlets and their products are correlated with soaring rates of ill-health and morbidity from a slew of diseases from diabetes to obesity among populations. Every country where these companies proliferate is inflicted with devastating health problems.

The detrimental impact on societies is incalculable. Allowing Western fast-food chains into your nation is akin to opening the door for biological warfare against your population and on generations to come. Under the guise of legal commerce, of course.

The irony is that the presence of these American companies with their gaudy icons is supposed to be a mark of modernity and dare we say neoliberal economic progress.

Following the collapse of the Soviet Union, the opening of US brands in Moscow and other Russian cities was celebrated as heralding the opening up of state communism to free-market liberalism. It was supposed to be a metaphor for American victory in the Cold War and the notional superiority of capitalism.

Burger King restaurant in Evropeysky Mall

 

By pulling out of Russia now in protest over the conflict in Ukraine, the intended implication is that Russia is deemed to be going backward and is being designated as a pariah.

What a cheek from these virtue-signaling hucksters! Did they ever make public protests when American, British and French warplanes and bombs were and are obliterating people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, or Yemen?

Hypocrisy aside, the pullout of the Western fast-food and sugar-drinks corporations from Russia is an unprocessed good thing. Russian people will benefit much by not having these merchants of biological poisons in their societies.

The same goes for the platforms of junk media. The US-based social media giants might be banned altogether from Russia after their decision this week to permit calls for violence against Russian soldiers and the country’s president Vladimir Putin. Seriously, these same companies are banning Russian news outlets for giving an alternative, perhaps even more accurate view of world events, yet when it comes to expressions of murder against Russian troops and political leaders, then that’s OK.

The Kremlin is now considering banning these companies in Russia over their double standards and indeed arguably their subversive content and incitement. Would Russia-based internet companies be tolerated in the US if they allowed users to call for the assassination of President Biden?

But again, ironically, getting rid of such social media platforms might be doing the Russian population a big favor in the long run. For these “information” purveyors are analogous to the fast-food giants. They peddle very poor diets for the brain and body. Not having them present to toxify society might turn out to be an important public health policy.

All in all, Russia will find that living without Western consumer capitalism is a liberating opportunity.

Just like the economic sanctions that the West has imposed on Russia in recent years, the unintended effect is to make Russia more self-sufficient and reorient it towards a more productive Eurasian integration. As Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov noted this week, the country is aiming to end all economic dependence on Western nations that have been shown to be unreliable and treacherous. The future lies in Russia’s economic partnership with China and Eurasian integration. Why should Russia waste its resources on Western states whose politicians are denigrating and intent on destroying Russia?

And without Western junk food and junk information, Russia will be a lot stronger and healthier for its new geopolitical direction.

 

https://sputniknews.com/20220311/western-junk-food-quitting-russia-lucky-russians-1093780247.html

Russia will face Roman Banishment now

no mercy, no quarter, no succor for Russia

Putin is dragging Russia down into the abyss

and now that abyss will stare into the hearts of Russians

God save them, for some things only God can forgive

Slava Ukraini

 

[athos]

Russian banks are working with the Chinese to issue UnionPay cards. Since 2015, UnionPay overtook both Mastercard and Visa in the total value of payments made by their customers to become the world's largest card payment processing organisation. Thanks to this decision, UnionPay will gain more customers.

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, athos said:

Russian banks are working with the Chinese to issue UnionPay cards. Since 2015, UnionPay overtook both Mastercard and Visa in the total value of payments made by their customers to become the world's largest card payment processing organisation. Thanks to this decision, UnionPay will gain more customers.

 

Russia is on its knees, begging China for help

China is going to rape the Russians now

take them for all they are worth

Russia has been kicked out of the global village

and now can only be two nickel whores for China

pathetic

Russian men must be so ashamed, to have their wives and children reduced to this

Russia is a third world nation status, after just two weeks in Ukraine

Russia has suffered as many casualties in Ukraine as the Soviets did in Afghanistan in five years

now at the mercy of both NATO & China at the same time, set upon from two fronts

 

[athos]

 

Imagine going against your own people and make them suffer to force them to believe everything is because of Russia. WOW this is mad.

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, athos said:

Imagine going against your own people and make them suffer to force them to believe everything is because of Russia. WOW this is mad.

nobody has to suffer in the West to bring Russia to its knees

we will go on with our luxurious lifestyles, making money, buying products, enjoying life in general

whatever problems we have are not even problems compared to what Russians are about to experience

while the people in Russia will be reduced to begging in the streets

you don't remember the Soviet Union in the 1980's

bread lines when there was not even bread at the end of the line

you're going to get a taste of that now

[Dougie93]

in hockey terms,

Russia is Bruce Bell

and here comes Wendel Clark now

 

[athos]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

don't you feel ashamed ?

these Siloviki in the Kremlin are obviously fools

they can't even fight a war properly

they are making Russian men and their wives poor, in front of their own children

it's shameful

they are bad military leaders

they are bad businessmen

these Security Men don't provide any security to Russians, they are cutting Russia's throats

why don't you just stop being cowards, and all rise up together against the Siloviki at the same time ?

 

You're right. The free world desperately needs the denazification and reeducation of the Anglobrotherhood's Disneyland colony called Ukraine. The sooner the better.

Edited March 14, 2022 by athos

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, athos said:

You're right. The free world desperately needs the denazification and reeducation of the Anglobrotherhood's Disneyland colony called Ukraine. The sooner the better.

Russia can't fight it's way out of a wet paper bag

Ukraine will be colonizing them, after Russia collapses yet again