Dbl- And Triple-Jabbed Deaths Vastly Outnumber Unvaxed Deaths Since Dec 2021.

CITIZEN_2015 · April 1, 2022

They are reporting another wave in Ontario and likely all of Canada. Over 3500 new cases a total underestimate of the real number and 18 new deaths while hospitalizations are rising again. I am fed-up with this damn virus and I don't want to hear bout a new surge or new wave or increasing waste water or other indicators. I am done with this fucking virus.

Goddess · April 1, 2022

7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are reporting another wave in Ontario and likely all of Canada. Over 3500 new cases a total underestimate of the real number and 18 new deaths while hospitalizations are rising again. I am fed-up with this damn virus and I don't want to hear bout a new surge or new wave or increasing waste water or other indicators. I am done with this fucking virus.

I feel bad for people - really all of us - who have been mentally and emotionally abused by all this fear-mongering.

We all live our lives making decisions based on what level of personal risk we are each willing to dare. We all have a faaaaaarrrrr greater chance of being killed in a car accident than dying of covid, yet we don't stop driving.

Some of us skydive, bungee jump, scuba dive, skidoo in the mountains, dirt bike in forests, drive motorcycles int he summer, MMA fight, drink too much on a weekend, eat too many burgers and not enough veggies.....lots of far more riskier behaviours and activities than not wearing a mask for a virus with an over 99% survival rate. It doesn't stop us from LIVING OUR LIVES.

Go live your life, Citizen. Let go of the irrational fear, stop watching MSM, go out at night and look at the stars, contemplate and cultivate gratefulness for being alive, instead of fear of death.

{{{HUG}}}

Moonbox · April 1, 2022

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I am happy to discuss comparisons and conclusions with people who have some intelligence and common sense and can add rational, well-thought-out arguments or perspectives.

so again, you cannot or will not support your claims. Damn those fact-checkers debunking all of your clueless bullshit. ?

Goddess · April 1, 2022

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

so again, you cannot or will not support your claims. Damn those fact-checkers debunking all of your clueless bullshit. ?

I share my conclusions and comparisons all the time and you disagree all the time. It doesn't bother me, like you think it does.

If you want to have Pfizer executives factcheck science for you, go right ahead.

**shrug**

I don't care.

(PS....I'm not like the women you usually get away with bullying and harassing. I consistently score extremely LOW on neuroticism in personality testing which makes me almost impervious to bullies, like yourself. Not saying it doesn't get to me at times, but those feelings are fleeting and not debilitating for me.)

Moonbox · April 1, 2022

Just now, Goddess said:

I share my conclusions and comparisons all the time and you disagree all the time. It doesn't bother me, like you think it does.

but you don't, and you haven't responded to a single request for evidence or citation in weeks from me. ?

Again, you're welcome to prove me wrong, but you can't. That's the problem with just bullshitting all of the time. When someone calls you out on it you're just left there looking foolish.

Just now, Goddess said:

If you want to have Pfizer executives factcheck science for you, go right ahead.

Except there are scientists and health authorities all around the world reviewing Pfizer's data and you've fooled yourself into thinking that it's all fake and they're all being paid off...and worse that YOU are a better expert! ? That's unassailable self-delusion.

Just now, Goddess said:

(PS....I'm not like the women you usually get away with bullying and harassing. I consistently score extremely LOW on neuroticism in personality testing which makes me almost impervious to bullies, like yourself. Not saying it doesn't get to me at times, but those feelings are fleeting and not debilitating for me.)

We can unpack why you're going through frequent personality testing at a later time, but pretending you're a victim here is hilarious and I'm not sure what the hell you being a woman has anything to do with it ?. For someone who so regularly resorts to insults herself (like just straight-up calling people idiots), to play the bully card is a mind-boggling exercise in hypocrisy and (once again) self-delusion.

Goddess · April 1, 2022

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

but you don't, and you haven't responded to a single request for evidence or citation in weeks from me. ?

Again, you're welcome to prove me wrong, but you can't. That's the problem with just bullshitting all of the time. When someone calls you out on it you're just left there looking foolish.

Except there are scientists and health authorities all around the world reviewing Pfizer's data and you've fooled yourself into thinking that it's all fake and they're all being paid off...and worse that YOU are a better expert! ? That's unassailable self-delusion.

We can unpack why you're going through frequent personality testing at a later time, but pretending you're a victim here is hilarious and I'm not sure what the hell you being a woman has anything to do with it ?. For someone who so regularly resorts to insults herself (like just straight-up calling people idiots), to play the bully card is a mind-boggling exercise in hypocrisy and (once again) self-delusion.

OK.

Goddess · April 1, 2022

12 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

We can unpack why you're going through frequent personality testing at a later time

?

Mostly job requirements.

I'm not an "entry-level" employee - more management/supervisor/director of......

I also took 2 years of University-level psychology, so I have an interest in it.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Goddess

Moonbox · April 1, 2022

I wasn't asking, and don't really care.

If you like psychology, maybe you'll appreciate this from the APA:

https://www.apa.org/news/podcasts/speaking-of-psychology/conspiracy-theories

OftenWrong · April 2, 2022

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are reporting another wave in Ontario and likely all of Canada. Over 3500 new cases a total underestimate of the real number and 18 new deaths while hospitalizations are rising again. I am fed-up with this damn virus and I don't want to hear bout a new surge or new wave or increasing waste water or other indicators. I am done with this fucking virus.

We perpetuated it by goofing around. Goofing around means, trying to hide from it.

All the things we did kept it around longer. Just like with bugs, if you dont kill them they eventually adapt and become resistant. Whatever doesn’t kill me, makes me stronger. Then they are really coming for you, baby.

Had we simply ignored it, it would have taken its toll and died out like so many others have in the past million years or so of human existence. Somehow we survived without the need for fancy chemicals prepared in a laboratory.

Instead of staying home and hiding to protect our dilapidated healthcare system we should have dragged our useless leaders out of their palatial homes and made them pay for their shortcomings.

Instead they have pumped themselves up to celebrity status. Our saviours, without whom we must all perish.

Somehow we just keep getting stupider as time goes on.

Today’s so-called modern man man is just a Facebook sucking, twitter feeding homo.

By that I mean

Homo Unsapiens

Homo Moronicus

Technologus

WestCanMan · April 2, 2022

22 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are reporting another wave in Ontario and likely all of Canada. Over 3500 new cases a total underestimate of the real number and 18 new deaths while hospitalizations are rising again. I am fed-up with this damn virus and I don't want to hear bout a new surge or new wave or increasing waste water or other indicators. I am done with this fucking virus.

What they always neglect to mention is that the majority of those deaths are among the dbl- and triple-vaxed.

CITIZEN_2015 · April 2, 2022

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

What they always neglect to mention is that the majority of those deaths are among the dbl- and triple-vaxed.

I am trippled vaxed so that means I have to be even more worried. Thanks.

WestCanMan · April 2, 2022

55 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am trippled vaxed so that means I have to be even more worried. Thanks.

Good news - part of that is due to the fact that there are [theoretically] far more vaxed than unvaxed.

Get a healthy bit of sunshine. Take Vit D and a bit of Zinc. Try not to remain sedentary. Eat less meat and more vegetables. Get some daily exercise, even if that's just 1/2 an hour long walks [if you can manage it].

I've heard doctors say that if you can walk 100 yards in under five minutes, you are 300 times more likely to live another 3 years than if it takes you over six minutes to walk the same distance. That's under five versus over six. Don't force yourself to go that far in under 5 minutes if it's too hard at first, but if you're in the over 6 boat then covid is just one of a myriad of things that can kill you.

I'm sorry but there's no easy way to say it. I'm 53 and my dad and both grandfathers died at 65 or younger. The clock is ticking for me too.

On the bright side, all of the things that you need to do to fight off cancer, diabetes and heart disease are the same things that you need to do to get your body in shape to fight off covid.

WestCanMan · April 3, 2022

This information was posted in the "Trudeau Slammed" thread but it's important to have it here so I copied and pasted it:

In mid-Dec 2021 the were 7,861 unvaxed deaths and 981 dbl-vaxed deaths. Now there are 3,738 dbl- and triple-vaxed deaths in Canada and 9,179 unvaxed.

So, since December 2021 there were 2,757 2x and 3x jabbed deaths and less than half as many unvaxed deaths - 1,318.

It's actually impossible to be stupid enough to believe that the vax is so important that people need to be forced to take it right now.

Edited April 3, 2022 by WestCanMan

eyeball · April 4, 2022

9 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

This information was posted in the "Trudeau Slammed" thread but it's important to have it here so I copied and pasted it:

The dead horse you're flogging there is still just as dead here.

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Epidemiologists and biostatistics experts have been cautioning that as more and more of a population gets vaccinated, we’ll likely see more deaths from COVID-19 among the vaccinated. It’s simply math. The vaccines aren’t 100% effective — no vaccine is — so some deaths are expected. And if there are relatively few people still unvaccinated, the raw numbers of deaths are likely to show more deaths among the vaccinated.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-why-its-easy-to-misinterpret-numbers-of-deaths-among-the-vaccinated/

Edited April 4, 2022 by eyeball

WestCanMan · April 4, 2022

11 hours ago, eyeball said:

The dead horse you're flogging there is still just as dead here.

Of course you're wrong, and quoting propaganda again, but don't let that stop you.

Canada, total deaths in 24 months - 37,000

Basically 1,500/mo.

"Vaxed" Canucks since Dec - 2,757 deaths in a bit less than 3 months (statista hasn't updated in ver a week). Just under 1k/mo.

This isn't a case of "the vax is performing like a vax". It's a case of "the vax is performing like a placebo".

WestCanMan · April 4, 2022

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Edited April 4, 2022 by WestCanMan
To keep the focus on my previous post, which is awesome.

eyeball · April 4, 2022

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course you're wrong, and quoting propaganda again, but don't let that stop you.

Canada, total deaths in 24 months - 37,000

Basically 1,500/mo.

"Vaxed" Canucks since Dec - 2,757 deaths in a bit less than 3 months (statista hasn't updated in ver a week). Just under 1k/mo.

This isn't a case of "the vax is performing like a vax". It's a case of "the vax is performing like a placebo".

Over 9300 deaths due to COVID amongst unvaccinated people in the same period. (Statista)

The case you're trying to make is retarded. If the vaccine was as useless as you say deaths amongst the vaccinated would number in the 10's of thousands.

The vaccine works to prevent both serious illness and death and I can't wait for my 4th jab.

Edited April 4, 2022 by eyeball

WestCanMan · April 4, 2022

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Over 9300 deaths due to COVID amongst unvaccinated people in the same period. (Statista)

The case you're trying to make is retarded. If the vaccine was as useless as you say deaths amongst the vaccinated would number in the 10's of thousands.

The vaccine works to prevent both serious illness and death and I can't wait for my 4th jab.

The *entire* period for those stats goes back to the very first day that anyone in Canada received a shot.

That was the middle of the 2020/21 flu season and there were 38,000,000 unvaxed and 0 vaxed people back then - only a small handful of people were even in the "not yet protected" category.

There were still over 37,000,000 unvaxed and 0 fully vaxed people until 3 months later, and it wasn't until summer or '21 that there was a meaningful number of them.

Now you know why the unvaxed number is so much higher.

The comparison between unvaxed and triple vaxed is probably the 'fairest' comp, because the time frame for triple vaxed started when there were zero of them and goes until the number of them is higher than the number of unvaxed.

The 4th jab may be important to you spiritually, but physically it is almost certainly of no benefit.

In mid-Dec these were the numbers:

eyeball · April 4, 2022

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The *entire* period for those stats goes back to the very first day that anyone in Canada received a shot.

You're right but it doesn't matter because Statista is still showing the same thing. The numbers of deaths amongst the vaccinated would number in the 10's of thousands if the vaccine was as useless as you say.

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In mid-Dec these were the numbers:

WestCanMan · April 4, 2022

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You're right but it doesn't matter because Statista is still showing the same thing. The numbers of deaths amongst the vaccinated would number in the 10's of thousands if the vaccine was as useless as you say.

You have no clue what you're even talking about, and that's pathetic because you've talked about covid as if you're some kind of expert for the past two years now.

If you go to https://covid19tracker.ca you can see a graph of all the covid deaths:

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There are 3 spikes: 1) when the virus first came here (above May 19), 2) the '20/21 flu season (above Jan 4), and 3) the '21/22 flu season.

Any major impact that the vaccines would have had, according to their own propaganda, would be from August of '21 onward, when the majority of people already had their second dose plus the waiting period.

The last spike on the graph, above where it says "Dec 15", is the last wave [omicron]. The number of people who were triple-jabbed vs unjabbed during that wave is about the same because there were basically zero 3xers at the very beginning and at the end there were already more 3xers than there were unjabbed.

All of the unjabbed had a chance to get covid for that whole time frame and the people who qualified as 3x jabbed during that wave were obviously 2xers for part of the last wave, so 3xers didn't even have that full flu season to get covid. Here are the death totals for 3x jabbed and unjabbed since Mid Dec:

Unjabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,308

3x jabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,351

How do you call this a win for the vax? Just remember that every single one of the 3x vaxed was already 2x vaxed long before they even got whiff of the '21/22 flu season. They took the jab and died just as often as people who didn't take the jab died.

When we talk about the efficacy of actual vaccines we don't see that level of similarity at all. Among 5M people who were unvaccinated against an outbreak of smallpox, polio etc vs a fairly similar number of vaccinated in that same time frame, the numbers would be more like 2,500 vs 1. If it was 4M vs 6M it would be 2,000 vs 1. If it was 6M vs 4M it would be 3,000 vs 1. The point is there would be no comparison at all.

But the number of 3x jabbed and unjabbed is the same.

If people were betting on this stuff, the Vegas oddsmakers wouldn't be adjusting their odds based on a person's vax status. They'd be adjusting the odds for different people based on age and health factors. A 3x jabbed octogenarian with diabetes and a heart condition would be at a massive risk of dying and an unvaxxed 22 yr old water polo captain would be at 0.000% risk of death. That's based on the stats from hundreds of millions of people who were exposed to covid. It's a global sample size. It's beyond science, because science is still just theories and educated guesses, while stats are based on final outcomes.

And remember, this isn't even a debate about whether or not the jab will increase an elderly person's chance of surviving by 10%, it's about whether or not young people, who aren't at risk of dying from covid, should be forced to get the jabs while knowing that there is a risk of myocarditis.

Edited April 4, 2022 by WestCanMan

eyeball · April 4, 2022

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Unjabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,308

3x jabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,351

How do you call this a win for the vax?

The jabbed deaths aren't 10 times higher than they would be if the vaccine was completely useless.

Edited April 4, 2022 by eyeball

WestCanMan · April 4, 2022

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The jabbed deaths aren't 10 times higher than they would be if the vaccine was completely useless.

You edited that and it's still nonsense lol. I don't a jOao Bibdenmin decoder ring. Care to try again?

eyeball · April 4, 2022

22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FIFY

WestCanMan · April 5, 2022

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

FIFY

You couldn't even translate your own bafflegab into English so you chose to insert a meme in for my quote lol. Don't be such a child ffs.

I'll say this for you again:

Unjabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,308

3x jabbed deaths since Mid-Dec 2021: 1,351

The number of unjabbed and 3x jabbed people was approximately the same - at the beginning of the reporting period there were almost no 3x jabbed people, and by the time the last set of numbers came in there were more 3x jabbed people, but the 3xers spent part of the reporting period as 2x jabbed.

eyeball · April 5, 2022

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'll say this for you again:

Say it as often as you like, you're completely out to lunch.

I mean look at what your stupid thread title says compared to the numbers you just quoted now. If it's taken 16 pages to back peddle yourself from saying vastly outnumber to near parity I'm guessing it'll only take 160 pages for it to sink in that now you need to multiply the number of dead vaccinated people by almost 10 so the thread title is substantiated along with your claim that the vaccine is completely useless.

You're either falling for or propagating what's called a base-rate fallacy. I note this NP article also refers to context so I doubt it will have anymore impact on the block of concrete you call a brain. As you said yourself, no one can understand this for you.

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But those same data actually do clearly illustrate the positive impact of vaccination, though seeing it requires a bit more context and number-crunching. The simpler, false analysis is what Raywat Deonandan, a University of Ottawa epidemiologist, called the “base-rate fallacy” in a recent blog post. It also underlines how the raw epidemiological facts of the pandemic have become a weapon of sorts in the vaccine wars.

https://nationalpost.com/health/what-hospitalization-data-really-say-about-covid-19-vaccines

Edited April 5, 2022 by eyeball