DogOnPorch Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 Just now, Dougie93 said: I view RS-24 Yars to be in the same family, basically an upgraded Topol-M Yars is the MIRV version, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 one of their most fearsome weapons is a theater weapon P-700 Granit from Tu-22M3 Backfire-C, Oscar II & Kirov class supersonic over the horizon cruise missile, delivers a 500kt warhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Yars is the MIRV version, I believe. exactly Yars is actually the SS-27 Mod II Sickle B the MIRV'd variant of Topol-M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 P-800 Oniks is like the mini version of P-700 Granit also a supersonic over the horizon cruise missile delivers a 100kt warhead, but they have many more of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 should be pointed out that the RSM-54 Sineva SLBM from DELTA IV is the only live fire tested SSBN / SLBM system in history only once has anyone actually tested their ballistic missile submarine under wartime conditions Operation Behemoth 2, 6 August 1991 the Project 667BDRM type DELTA IV SSBN K-84 Ekaterinburg fired all 16 RSM-54 Sineva's in a single salvo nobody else has ever done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 there is another innovation in play on the American side the US Navy SSBN-734 USS Tennessee has had its UGM-133A Trident II SLBM's re roled instead of the usual W-76 100kt countervalue warheads the Trident II's on the USS Tennessee have been armed with tactical nuclear warheads now W76-2 10 kiloton yield so these are tactical warheads fired from a SSBN against targets in theater for a counterforce the SLBMs are launched on what is called a "depressed trajectory" so rather flying high and long range over the pole they fly low and fast to targets in theater that's 240 warheads on 24 Trident II's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 The West should start massive and rapid delivery of arms to Ukraine's army. Germany has increased its military budget by 100 bullion. Maybe it should have assigned a part to arm Ukraine. Nato is delivering about one billion dollar of arms to Ukraine. May be it should be 10 to 100 times more to be used by Ukraine's army to destroy Russian military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: The West should start massive and rapid delivery of arms to Ukraine's army. that will be World War Three NATO knows which is why they are balking at the prospect so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 you push a massively thermonuclear armed fully militarized state back up against a wall you are really asking for your children to burn in a firestorm then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 A military help as a result of request by a sovereign country is not same as direct military intervention. I am not saying Nato army must attack invading Russian military but just deliver arms to a sovereign country. US sells arms to many countries to be used if they are invaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 all these sanctions, embargoes & delivery of weapons to proxies these are act of war by the Hague Convention there is a threshold where the Russians will be forced to relaliate and we are approaching that threshold at breathtaking pace there is no way to defeat them by force, that is simply the path to thermonuclear Armageddon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: A military help as a result of request by a sovereign country is not same as direct military intervention. I am not saying Nato army must attack invading Russian military but just deliver arms to a sovereign country. US sells arms to many countries to be used if they are invaded. it's an act of war by the Hague Convention, to arm combatants in a declared war, which this is at some point the Russians will be forced to retaliate they could send their submarines, cut the undersea cables which carry the internet mine the choke points of the SLOC's to bring global trade to a halt just for an opening move you are flirting with the brink of World War Three on the high seas, Pandora's Box Edited February 28, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 the Military Maritime Fleet of the Russian Federation has not even entered the fray yet if you are eager for all out war with the Russians you must be delusional because just the widespread chaos & panic which would ensue soon as torpedoes start sinking ships is going to massively impact your lives on the spot starting with fiscal & economic crisis & shortages like we have not seen, ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 merchant mariners would not sail in the face of Russian torpedo smart mines in the SLOCs global shipping would head to the nearest port, and park that alone would be the biggest crisis we have ever faced and that would just be day one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 NATO plans to kick the Russians out of the SWIFT global banking system ? the internet based system which moves money around ? if the Russians send their special mission submarines to cut the undersea cables which carry the internet ? we would all be kicked out of the SWIFT banking system then, as it would cease to function Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted February 28, 2022 Report Share Posted February 28, 2022 we are already loaded down with exponential debt four dollars of debt for every dollar of growth in the global markets upon shots fired on the high seas between Russia and NATO ? the economy is going to spiral into a black hole you will be homeless in the street, another Great Depression, long before it gets to nuclear war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 the city of Chernahiv population 285,000 just across the border from Belarus on a main road to Kiev being pounded right now by Russian artillery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 Montreux Convention allows Turkey alone to block the Dardanelles in the event of a war, including if its own security is threatened. With Vlad waving nukes around, maybe that case could be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Montreux Convention allows Turkey alone to block the Dardanelles in the event of a war, including if its own security is threatened. With Vlad waving nukes around, maybe that case could be made. Turkey is an even more repressive regime than Russia which also launches genocidal wars of aggression I decline to support any actions using one totalitarian regime to try to leverage another there is no moral high ground there, and it has serious potential for catastrophic blowback attempts by NATO to blockade Russia are just more acts of war escalating towards a war with Russia Edited March 1, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Turkey is an even more repressive regime than Russia which also launches genocidal wars of aggression I decline to support any actions using one totalitarian regime to try to leverage another there is no moral high ground there, and it has serious potential for catastrophic blowback attempts by NATO to blockade Russia are just more acts of war escalating towards a war with Russia Vlad started this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: Vlad started this. if you want to rush off to war, why don't you just go fight in Ukraine ? they're taking foreign volunteers with no military experience required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) Edited March 1, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 it's a vicious war there are no good go's on this operation look at how jumpy these Russian conscripts are this is not limited intervention this is total war for national survival much higher intensity and pace than any sort of COIN this is maneuver warfare in the classical sense frightening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 All warfare is deception...said someone. We're seeing in this affair for sure. The citizen-taken videos are really the only ones you can see some of the reality. Ghosts are everywhere else it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted March 1, 2022 Report Share Posted March 1, 2022 so, the idea & CIA narrative that these Russian ground troops are going to mutiny against their chain of command and/or surrender en masse ? I would say not under these conditions they would just be executed for desertion anyways surrendering to the enraged Ukrainians is just as perilous so at this point, as a soldier, you really have no choice but to fight for your life with everything you got but this is actually Russian doctrine this is how it has always worked in the Russian army, this is the Russian army functioning as it is supposed to from the Imperial, through the Soviet, into the Post Soviet era this is the conscript army of the Czars, this is how they fight again, the arm of decision is artillery ; grand battery and the operational method is to overwhelm with mass; quantity over quality when evaluating their operations, the key is to not project American military doctrine onto them life is cheap, all troops are expendable cannon fodder down range, drive them forward at gunpoint as necessary it's not about the tanks, all armored vehicles are cheaply massed produced, expendable downrange they don't care about collateral damage, they don't care about killing civilians, civilians are expendable downrange ambushes happen, the Russians don't try to avoid them, they just keep coming with more mass so they use IFR : I follow roads, they just drive right down the roads, speed is emphasized over survival they move the resources to whoever is doing well, take resources from whoever is failing, go with the winners they drive in Napoleonic columns until they encircle you then they set up their Napoleonic Grand Battery for a siege this is all by design they are not the US Army so you can't predict that they are losing the war, based on them following Russian doctrine instead of American this is the sort of chaos that all Russian operations incite in any war they fight they win some, they lose them, but they have won a few using this doctrine, including World War Two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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