No longer a democracy

[myata]

43 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

wealthiest, most egalitarian and freest countries in the world... and still complain. 

But of course, only some qualifications:

Wealthiest: the salary of MP $185,000; PHO $360,000 medial income: 33,000. Some in this country are surely more egalitarian than most.

For the median rest: monthly rent of a modest apartment in a large city: $2,000. After the rent and bills you have whole $10,000 of wealth! Yes for a year. And your egalitarian MP just got it in his/her automatic annual raise. Enjoy! (did someone just say, inflation?)

Now for the "freest". In China you need a social passport to board a train, plane and so on. And now in Canada too! Hurray, getting there. And now we have extraordinary powers and "instigated by the enemy" in the national news. And we just wouldn't stop here. Why would we, right?

Edited February 15, 2022 by myata

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nice deflection there...Mr. Conservative. People like you are sickening. You go ahead and serve your masters. But do not raise the Canadian flag. That would be an insult to Patriots. 

What about the protesters who desecrate the war memorial, and imprisoned citizens in Ottawa in their own home, unable to go to work, and all the small businesses who have been forced to close due to the protesters who are bringing the Canadian flag into disrepute. People are hesitant about flying the flag now, because it has become associated with law breakers. We have many freedoms and rights in Canada but we do not have the freedom and right to break the law. We do not have the freedom or right to take away other people's freedoms. 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

9 hours ago, myata said:

The Emergency Act has been invoked by an entrenched Prime Minister to quell peaceful protests of citizens.

When you start a thread with a clear misinformation and a big lie then the rest of your post or thread becomes useless and invalid. You discredit yourself in the first line.

The protests have not been peaceful. They blocked critical infrastructure causing billions of dollars of damage to Canadians. Harassed Canadians in the Capital and occupied and blocked streets illegally, illegal weapons and firearms confiscated by RCMP in Alberta. And the protest attended by a few thousand or a few ten thousand at most is hardly by citizens but a fringe minority of citizens.

Long live our beloved land of democracy and freedom, Canada. I hope those intend to destroying our values and our land of freedom to be destroyed themselves.

Edited February 15, 2022 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Nice deflection there...Mr. Conservative. People like you are sickening. You go ahead and serve your masters. But do not raise the Canadian flag. That would be an insult to Patriots. 

Fricken pussies. Ya'll sat on your fat lazy asses for years while communists infiltrated, indoctrinated and subverted our society and government. They didn't need to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids because you never had any to start with.  

[Queenmandy85]

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you can't count on the masses to support freedom

this is why democracy needs to be guarded against

passive, self absorbed and careless populations are the norm

it always happens, history is quite clear on that

When someone says the masses are lazy and stupid, I get the feeling the speaker is exempting themselves from that. They are telling us they are smarter than average. That is usually the first clue that they are not. Arrogance?

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

As I was saying, it starts with the education system. I would propose this:

- Destroy the Teachers' Union.

- Re-hire teachers with a sizable raise in income.

- TEST ALL teachers yearly for competence.

- Introduce a strict curriculum that teaches academic excellence and family values.

- Seek out and remove any and all criminal elements from the schools.

- Re-introduce the pledge of allegiance at the beginning of every day and place Canadian Flags in every classroom.

- Instruct EQUALITY...not EQUITY.

That would put us on a path towards realizing our true potential. In the meantime...Pixie-Dust must go and he can take his little trashmuffin Freeland with him. I'm sure Li'l Justin's wife and kids won't mind sharing...

In the name of Libbie values...of course.

I am the first to disclaim that I know you don't mean it, but that could almost be taken as a paraphrase of Mein Kampf. -Why remove a teacher's freedom of association? Because it sets a precedent to take away freedom of association from others, such as political opponents. 

-Who defines competence? Perhaps the school janitor who is also the school Political Officer.

-Who designs the curriculum? That would be the Party Office of Propoganda and Public Security.

-Who would seek out all crimminal elements? That would be the Student Cadre of the Red Guards.

Instruct equality .... Sure, who cares whether they take physics, Math Geography and Chemistry, as long as they toe the Party Line. Everyone is equal, but Party Members are more equal than the "sheeple."

Ahhh, your pledge of allegiance. Long Live President Xi, Great Leader, Great Helmsman, Great Commander in Chief, and his close comrade in arms, Wang Qishan.

If Mad Max ever became Prime Minister, I can see him packing the cabinet with all his girlfriend's Hells Angles buddies. Rob Ford, at his most tragic period in life, kept better company.

[Queenmandy85]

Myata, since you have repeatedly said you won't take part in elections to correct what you percieve as problems, why do you care? 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Queenmandy85

[Nationalist]

53 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What about the protesters who desecrate the war memorial, and imprisoned citizens in Ottawa in their own home, unable to go to work, and all the small businesses who have been forced to close due to the protesters who are bringing the Canadian flag into disrepute. People are hesitant about flying the flag now, because it has become associated with law breakers. We have many freedoms and rights in Canada but we do not have the freedom and right to break the law. We do not have the freedom or right to take away other people's freedoms. 

 

Nobody desecrated squat. They stood on it. Hell I've stood on it. Please be realistic.

Nobody has been imprisoned either. If the bureaucratic army that lives on DT Ottawa, claim they are scared to go outside, then I would suggest they are either lying through their teeth, or spewing forth sound-bytes.

Nobody has brought disrepute to our flag either. This is "Tweekie-talk". Our flag is being flow all over the world with respect now. If you hesitate in flying our flag...perhaps you should try to mature a bit? Either that or...don't fly a flag.

Protesting can get messy. But this one has not been violent or have the protesters destroyed anything. If you're in DT Ottawa and this is affecting you...poor you. Maybe you should lobby Pixie-Dust to grow a pair and meet face to face with the protesters?

Edited February 15, 2022 by Nationalist

[Goddess]

55 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What about the protesters who desecrate the war memorial,

Did you see the video of the desecration?

It was a young woman who jumped on the steps and yelled "Freedom!"

And someone took a photo of what could have been pee in the snow, but since there were a lot of dogs there....who knows.

The media is lying and you are repeating the lies.  Why are you doing that?

[myata]

We have been at it but if you insist sure: because I have eyes that still see and a brain that can still think, for itself. That's sufficient - for me. I don't need your approval, sanction or election"" between nothings to do that. It's not that hard to realize. You could try it too.

[Zeitgeist]

Yup, the cry for freedom in Canada and the government’s radical response to it and discrediting of the opposition speaks for itself.  The greatness of Canada right now comes not from its out of touch totalitarian government but the people who have the courage to speak out against government overreach.  That’s what’s catching on internationally.  People around the world are waking up to the increasing controls that government has imposed on populations, controls that negatively impact the workers and marginalized the most.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

negatively impact the workers and marginalized the most.

You may wonder how it affected a PHO bureaucrat with a $360K salary and whether they would want it to end now, or take "as long as necessary". Who really prospers in this great democracy as some suggested here, can it be known? Or another big secret, like why the restrictions are necessary and what are they justified with?

Edited February 15, 2022 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, myata said:

You may wonder how it affected a PHO bureaucrat with a $360K salary and whether they would want it to end now, or take "as long as necessary". Who really prospers in this great democracy as some suggested here, can it be known? Or another big secret, like why the restrictions are necessary and what are they justified with?

Yes.  What was most disturbing about yesterday’s press conference and the parliamentary session was that Trudeau’s government never offered to give a timeline for the removal of mandates and restrictions.  The official press never asked about this either.   The Conservative motion to require government to provide this was defeated by the Liberals and NDP.

If anyone on the left had any doubts about the complete arbitrariness of the continued and unnecessary suspensions of our citizens’ rights, yesterday should have left you with no doubts.  The Liberals and NDP don’t care about our constitution or the people.  

Edited February 15, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yup, the cry for freedom in Canada and the government’s radical response to it and discrediting of the opposition speaks for itself.  The greatness of Canada right now comes not from its out of touch totalitarian government but the people who have the courage to speak out against government overreach.  That’s what’s catching on internationally.  People around the world are waking up to the increasing controls that government has imposed on populations, controls that negatively impact the workers and marginalized the 

Do you have any intention of picking up a gun and doing something about your domination and enslavement or do you expect someone else to save your country?

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do you have any intention of picking up a gun and doing something about your domination and enslavement or do you expect someone else to save your country?

That’s your dream isn’t it?  You want to see normal people who are just demanding the restoration of their constitutional rights become radicalized so your draconian government can stomp them out and discredit them further.  That’s been the playbook all along.  Why not just move to China where you can live your dream of dissent being stomped out without any qualms?

[Queenmandy85]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What was most disturbing about yesterday’s press conference and the parliamentary session was that Trudeau’s government never offered to give a timeline for the removal of mandates and restrictions.

How do you put a timeline on a virus? The mandates and restrictions should continue until everyone who can be vaccinated, is vaccinated and the virus dies out. These kinds of pandemices can last several years. The pneumonic plague in 1348 lasted 10 years and then returned about 20 years later. 

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

How do you put a timeline on a virus? The mandates and restrictions should continue until everyone who can be vaccinated, is vaccinated and the virus dies out. These kinds of pandemices can last several years. The pneumonic plague in 1348 lasted 10 years and then returned about 20 years later. 

Are you insane?   You won’t be able to get everyone vaccinated and it will still spread.  Omicron isn’t a big deal.  I have it right now and feel fine.  I’m glad you said what you just said because it illustrates that some Canadians, including our ruling class, are willing to destroy our way of life by continuing to make people live under these unnecessary mandates and restrictions. Wow.

You do realize that even the blue states are lifting indoor mask mandates, including New York State?   We’re really living behind an iron curtain here.  It’s totalitarian Liberal groupthink, promoted by state-funded media.  

Edited February 15, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Fricken pussies. Ya'll sat on your fat lazy asses for years while communists infiltrated, indoctrinated and subverted our society and government. They didn't need to sap and impurify your precious bodily fluids because you never had any to start with.  

Who..."Y'all"?

[Queenmandy85]

One of the aspects of the situation is the statement of one of the protesters in southern Alberta. Words to the effect that," we arrived here peacefully and we will leave peacefully." The Ottawa protest has been mostly non-violent and the police have been restrained. We did not have the violence Washington suffered from the protest, and we did not (so far) see the police violence we saw in Paris. The attempted overthrow of the government was a respectful  letter to the Governor General rather than a gallows set up to lynch the Vice President.

Only in Canada, eh? Inspite of my bewilderment regarding the aims of the protesters, I take a bit of pride that we do these things differently than other countries. We invoke an Emergency Measures Act that does not bring in troops, and, by definition, does not interfer with peoples Charter rights. Breaking the law is not a charter right. 

[myata]

First you have an entitled and arrogant government free of any checks, oversight or effective controls. Then you give it a perfect pretext to install itself over the society. Then it invokes extraordinary powers. What is not obvious in this progression? Will it just end, by itself?

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

When someone says the masses are lazy and stupid, I get the feeling the speaker is exempting themselves from that. They are telling us they are smarter than average. That is usually the first clue that they are not. Arrogance?

I am the first to disclaim that I know you don't mean it, but that could almost be taken as a paraphrase of Mein Kampf. -Why remove a teacher's freedom of association? Because it sets a precedent to take away freedom of association from others, such as political opponents. 

-Who defines competence? Perhaps the school janitor who is also the school Political Officer.

-Who designs the curriculum? That would be the Party Office of Propoganda and Public Security.

-Who would seek out all crimminal elements? That would be the Student Cadre of the Red Guards.

Instruct equality .... Sure, who cares whether they take physics, Math Geography and Chemistry, as long as they toe the Party Line. Everyone is equal, but Party Members are more equal than the "sheeple."

Ahhh, your pledge of allegiance. Long Live President Xi, Great Leader, Great Helmsman, Great Commander in Chief, and his close comrade in arms, Wang Qishan.

If Mad Max ever became Prime Minister, I can see him packing the cabinet with all his girlfriend's Hells Angles buddies. Rob Ford, at his most tragic period in life, kept better company.

LOL...'I don't know what you mean but...sounds like MIEN KAMPF'. Got any more drivel and/or idiotic sound-bytes for me? Quick! Go for the race card!

I could care less who teachers associate with. I do care what their union is doing and teaching our kids. And do try to not be so mellow dramatic. Unions get busted when they become unruly and imposing. Its the population who pays them. Its the population who can fire them.

Competence standards can be set by a counsel of professors, equally numbered between Conservative and Liberal. That way both have input.

Curriculum, as with standards, can be set by the a fore mentioned counsel.

Police would be posted at every High school and Jr. High. Local presence should be increased.

I would have assumed you knew what I meant by, "curriculum that teaches academic excellence and family values" but I guess you missed that part.

You have a problem with promoting national pride and unity? Gee...what a huge surprise. What would you rather? Give the children no sense of belonging? Perhaps you'd like to teach them Moms and Dads are their enemy? Hey you could even teach them to hate and fear each other. What a bonus that would be.

You display the sensibilities of a pompous ass who is clinging to his li'l power base. A lot like Li'l Pixie-Dust in that respect.

[myata]

I thank and welcome Trudeau - NDP coalition that will rule with an iron fist for four more years. Thanks to them you will learn, know and eat as much as you can swallow and more of the prized and cherished Canadian democracy. Because you just wouldn't know it any other way. So they are really helping you get it.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s your dream isn’t it?  You want to see normal people who are just demanding the restoration of their constitutional rights become radicalized so your draconian government can stomp them out and discredit them further.  That’s been the playbook all along.  Why not just move to China where you can live your dream of dissent being stomped out without any qualms?

No, I want you people to put up or shut up. You have been crying wolf for decades while communists infiltrated, indoctrinated, and subverted us. All without firing a single shot.

Pussies, every last one of you.

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who..."Y'all"?

You and your chickenshit ilk. Pinochet would puke if he could see you.

Edited February 15, 2022 by eyeball

[Queenmandy85]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You have a problem with promoting national pride and unity? Gee...what a huge surprise. What would you rather?

Actually, I have some affinity for what you say. When I was in politics, with a view to becoming Canada's longest serving Conservative Prime Minister, I wanted the education system to instill loyalty to the Queen of Canada and to adopt the Swiss system of conscription.

Unfortunately, my political career was interrupted by late-onset maturity.

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I meant by, "curriculum that teaches academic excellence and family values" but I guess you missed that part.

Your use of the term "family values" could be construed as homophobic. I realize you mean the loving bonds within the family but the term has been hijacked by the cement-heads who are frightened by our LGBTQA community.

I agree academic excellence is the objective we all want. It is our biggest tool to overcome the climate change deniers.

[TreeBeard]

37 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

family values

Why should your particular set of “family values” be the one that is taught?  What makes it superior to the value that families can be made up of 1 parent, or 2 parents of the same gender, as well as a family of 2 parents of the opposite gender?