No longer a democracy

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, West said:

Nonsense. There are plenty of businesses still operational. 

In case you haven't noticed, the government has closed several businesses over the past two years. 

who closed more businesses

the government or the truckers?

dialamah only criticizes the latter for this

not the former

Marcuse's repressive tolerance

the left gets a pass

for the very things they will dogpile the right over

opportunistic hypocrisy

Edited February 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Nonsense. There are plenty of businesses still operational. 

In case you haven't noticed, the government has closed several businesses over the past two years. 

So the truckers protesting the government closure of businesses (among other things) makes it all right for them to close businesses?

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

who closed more businesses

the government or the truckers?

dialamah only criticizes the latter for this

not the former

Marcuse's repressive tolerance

Why does the government closing businesses make it ok for truckers to do the same?  

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

So the truckers protesting the government closure of businesses (among other things) makes it all right for them to close businesses?

they didn't close any businesses

only the government did that

the truckers are actually providing extra business

in the area's where they are

some businesses are seeing their best patronage ever, in fact

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Why does the government closing businesses make it ok for truckers to do the same?  

why do you only criticize the closing of businesses

when you blame the right for it

and are quiet af when the left does infinitely more of it

then try and front like both parties are equally guilty of it?

Marcuse's repressive tolerance

Edited February 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[dialamah]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they didn't close any businesses

 

Odd, then, that business owners were on camera saying they couldn't operate their businesses because of the truckers. This is what I mean by dishonesty; if you don't like it, it didn't happen.

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

when you blame the right for it?

I'm not blaming the right; I'm blaming the protesters.  I imagine there are also some leftists in the crowd, as well.  Just as there are rightists among those who disapprove.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Odd, then, that business owners were on camera saying they couldn't operate their businesses because of the truckers.

they lied

they could operate

they just didn't want to

the government on the other hand

actually prevented them from operating

whether they wanted to or not

yet not a peep out of you when the government did it

and now all of a sudden you care about business closures

obvious hypocrisy is obvious

Edited February 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[DogOnPorch]

We all know a certain group of you are down with these arrests of 'terrorists' (translation: someone I disagree with). So stop acting like you're righteous. Good Canadians are being destroyed and you support it. You support all of it. You are literally not worth the dirt these fine folks walk upon. 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

We all know a certain group of you are down with these arrests of 'terrorists' (translation: someone I disagree with). So stop acting like you're righteous. Good Canadians are being destroyed and you support it. You support all of it. You are literally not worth the dirt these fine folks walk upon. 

66% support they claim

sounds about right

Canada has slowly but steadily become a nation of cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors

sad but true

[myata]

I have a feeling that this is the last stand of anything that resembles independent thought and democracy here, in this country. The Liberals and their quasi-independent stooges are bent on bringing in millions of immigrants. They are counting on an enlightened rule (by the fist, if need be and for as long as necessary) in perpetuity. Of course, they are a) clueless b) arrogant c) never listen to anything but themselves aka their supreme leader d) ignore and resent the reality e) incompetent and entitled while generally, having no clue. And of course, it's never a good mix in the long run. Not sustainable, ever. And so, this country is going down the slope. It's going to diminish and degrade. The process has began already. These are only the first early bells.

Edited February 18, 2022 by myata

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, myata said:

I have a feeling that this is the last stand of anything that resembles independent thought and democracy here, in this country. The Liberals and their quasi-independent stooges are bent on bringing in = millions of immigrants. They are counting on an enlightened rule (by the fist, if need be and for as long as necessary) in perpetuity. Of course, they are a) clueless b) arrogant c) never listen to anything but themselves aka their supreme leader d) ignore and resent the reality e) incompetent entitled while generally, having no clue. And of course, it's never a good mix in the long run. Not sustainable, ever. And so, this country is going down the slope. It's going to diminish and degrade. The process has began already. These are only the first early bells.

 

All those superhero movies are popular for a reason. The strongman...woman...will save us all.

[myata]

11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The strongman...woman...will save us all.

It all has happened before too. "Bread and circuses" and to heck with everything else. Circa two millennia, a hundred generations. Always worth repeating, just in case something changed.

[DogOnPorch]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

It all has happened before too. "Bread and circuses" and to heck with everything else. Circa two millennia, a hundred generations. Always worth repeating, just in case something changed.

 

They're bringing in cops with horse. I can't help but see this scene...

Oh the irony.

 

[myata]

The system works reasonably well only when there's nothing for it to do. Otherwise it begins to jerk, jump overreact going nuts. There's a scientific word for it.. bifurcation. Congrats to us, we worked on it real hard for close to two centuries, and now, the culmination.

Edited February 18, 2022 by myata

[myata]

Reading the news on Deutsche Welle (Germany): "Police arrests two protest leaders".

Seriously, people? We sure heard this before: from Sudan, Nicaragua, China, some Burkino Faso... you name it. This is what we are and how the world sees us now. Do we even care to think and notice?

[myata]

Nothing will go back to normal. There's no normal. Canada is not a democracy. There's no mechanisms to return or renew the democracy because the caste does not need it, and it holds all the levers. So the quality of decisions will be worse and deteriorate - from here. The governments will know only two methods: dictate; and throw public money, no matter how much of it. And the public could do nothing about it; there isn't anything that can be done. Token elections between the red and blue head of the caste won't change a bit. The country will diminish and degrade, from here. There's nor potential, mechanisms and paths for improvement and renewal. This is the new normal.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Nothing will go back to normal. There's no normal. Canada is not a democracy. There's no mechanisms to return or renew the democracy because the caste does not need it, and it holds all the levers. So the quality of decisions will be worse and deteriorate - from here. The governments will know only two methods: dictate; and throw public money, no matter how much of it. And the public could do nothing about it; there isn't anything that can be done. Token elections between the red and blue head of the caste won't change a bit. The country will diminish and degrade, from here. There's nor potential, mechanisms and paths for improvement and renewal. This is the new normal.

Yes but the next great battle is a constitutional one.   Is Canada worth saving?  Should provinces secede?  Hell we could have 20 city states in Canada. Infrastructure laid out in the 19th century.  Canada is one of the last battlegrounds.  Still so undeveloped.

[myata]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes but the next great battle is a constitutional one.   Is Canada worth saving?  Should provinces secede?  Hell we could have 20 city states in Canada. Infrastructure laid out in the 19th century.  Canada is one of the last battlegrounds.

Absolutely, a critical point in the country's history. Honestly, I can't see effective ways forward with the system being as entrenched and cemented as it is, and the populace self-absorbed and indifferent. But it doesn't mean that they don't exist. What is clear these days with little doubt that finding them wouldn't be easy. So who would be willing to invest time, resources and efforts?

[myata]

First, there needs to be a new party, or an existing one that is prepared to and publicly declares a full and unwavering support for the democratic renewal agenda. With constitutional changes if need be, nothing lasts forever can't be any more obvious these days.

Clearly it cannot be any of the ruling duo and their quasi-independent minions. They are good where they are no changes needed. Forever, time has stopped (for them).

Then it has to develop a program of a democratic renewal in coordination with the representatives of the citizens.

Then it will need to win a majority, or achieve a full agreement on the agenda with one of the status quo parties. And then make it happen.

This would be a decade long if not decades, plan.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

First, there needs to be a new party, or an existing one that is prepared to and publicly declares a full and unwavering support for the democratic renewal agenda. With constitutional changes if need be, nothing lasts forever can't be any more obvious these days.

Clearly it cannot be any of the ruling duo and their quasi-independent minions. They are good where they are no changes needed. Forever, time has stopped (for them).

Then it has to develop a program of a democratic renewal in coordination with the representatives of the citizens.

Then it will need to win a majority, or achieve a full agreement on the agenda with one of the status quo parties. And then make it happen.

This would be a decade long if not decades, plan.

I’m only interested in the freest country possible.   Can Canada rediscover its strength?  We’re all recovering.  The Great Awakening.  

[myata]

Trudeau demonstrated most importantly, a deep and intransigent crisis of the Canadian political system. It's grossly outdated, ineffective and inefficient; it is entirely incapable of reforming and modernizing itself and moreover has no need or incentives to. If left to its own devices it will cause a systemic crisis in the country. He should be praised for that. No one has been able to show it so clearly before him.

It's a decision moment for the country. If the citizens wouldn't come together to fix and renew their democracy the country will degrade all the way to the level of the third world. There's no one or nothing left to delegate or hand over this work to.

Edited February 19, 2022 by myata

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, myata said:

Trudeau demonstrated most importantly, a deep and intransigent crisis of the Canadian political system. It's grossly outdated, ineffective and inefficient; it is entirely incapable of reforming and modernizing itself and moreover has no need or incentives to. If left to its own devices it will cause a systemic crisis in the country. He should be praised for that. No one has been able to show it so clearly before him.

It's a decision moment for the country. If the citizens wouldn't come together to fix and renew their democracy the country will degrade all the way to the level of the third world. There's no one or nothing left to delegate or hand over this work.

 

All the live feeds have been cut, I notice. Didn't want the last bit of the revolution televised.

 

 

[myata]

3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Didn't want the last bit of the revolution televised.

It doesn't help anything, fix any problems or answer any questions. Nothing has changed. What some suspected and expected became visible and palpable. Normal grew even further away. And the vector points in the opposite direction.

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

It doesn't help anything, fix any problems or answer any questions. Nothing has changed. What some suspected and expected became visible and palpable. Normal grew even further away. And the vector points in the opposite direction.

 

Well we have people like some here that view parents bringing their children along as an impediment to their use of violence. Shows exactly where the ol' mind is at from square one.

Trudeau: "Can we club a child?"

Cop: "If it's not on camera, sir...certainly"

[myata]

24 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Cop: "If it's not on camera, sir...certainly"

"We only followed the orders". Like yeah pal never again bop.