TreeBeard Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: no but getting elected is overrated mainstream Canadians are morons compromising core principles to gain their votes is folly Folly for a political party to get elected? Are you a masochist who enjoys Trudeau in power? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Folly for a political party to get elected? Are you a masochist who enjoys Trudeau in power? if the only way to beat Trudeau is to out Trudeau, Trudeau himself what good does that do? are you a masochist who wants a Trudeau clone with a different name in power? Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infidel Dog Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: he did let others do the hiring that was the problem he still did a better job than most POTUS's Didn't a lot of more or less pro-Trump people draw the line at the faith he had in his son-in-law, Jared Kushner? Wasn't the hiring thing one of the things they didn't like about Kushner? Seems to me I heard that somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said: Didn't a lot of more or less pro-Trump people draw the line at the faith he had in his son-in-law, Jared Kushner? Wasn't the hiring thing one of the things they didn't like about Kushner? Seems to me I heard that somewhere. he let others do the hiring more often than not there are outliers some of them were bad choices on his part but Trump did a better job than most POTUS's when it comes to who to hire he at least got some picks right while many others missed on pretty much every single choice Joe Biden is a prime example of that Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/5/2022 at 12:01 AM, Yzermandius19 said: if the only way to beat Trudeau is to out Trudeau, Trudeau himself what good does that do? are you a masochist who wants a Trudeau clone with a different name in power? Best way to beat Trudeau is to present a reasonable alternative, not squawk like a bunch of loons and make a MAGA-head your interim leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Best way to beat Trudeau is to present a reasonable alternative, not squawk like a bunch of loons and make a MAGA-head your interim leader. there is no reasonable alternative who is also electable beating Trudeau by becoming Trudeau is no victory and that's what being electable entails in Canada being the fake opposition f*ck the fake opposition and the horse they rode in on Bergen is fake opposition too, don't let the MAGA hat fool you she ain't MAGA Edited February 7, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 12 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: she ain't MAGA This is a negative for you if she’s not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 7, 2022 Report Share Posted February 7, 2022 Bergen has been an MP since the age of 43…. Did she ever hold a job in the private sector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: This is a negative for you if she’s not? I'll take MAGA over fake conservatives any day of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I'll take MAGA over fake conservatives any day of the week Do you think MAGAs are fiscally conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think MAGAs are fiscally conservative? do you think fake conservatives are fiscally conservative? neolibs spend like drunken sailors too, in case you missed the memo gone are the days of Paul Martin and Stephen Harper now Canadian MP's want to spend like Democrats, because Canadians demand it Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: Canadian MP's want to spend like Democrats, because Canadians demand it But I thought...why is it that they want to control what we think again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 11 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Do you think MAGAs are fiscally conservative? OMG .... ask yourself why Paul Ryan jumped off the MAGA train, or why the Tea Party evaporated... Trump tried to run the USA like one of his casinos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: OMG .... ask yourself why Paul Ryan jumped off the MAGA train, or why the Tea Party evaporated... Trump tried to run the USA like one of his casinos... because Paul Ryan is a fake conservative siding with Paul Ryan over MAGA is a bad look Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: because Paul Ryan is a fake conservative siding with Paul Ryan over MAGA is a bad look Trump is a ‘real conservative’? Is there anyone in the Conservative Party of Canada who you would consider a ‘real conservative’? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Trump is a ‘real conservative’? Is there anyone in the Conservative Party of Canada who you would consider a ‘real conservative’? Make America Great Again that is a call to conserve the things that made America great there are no real conservatives in the CPC the vast majority of Canadian conservatives are out to conserve the far left status quo in Canada and keep freedom out Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: Make America Great Again that is a call to conserve the things that made America great there are no real conservatives in the CPC the vast majority of Canadian conservatives are out to conserve the far left status quo in Canada So your issue is that most Canadians reject your fringe views? Edited February 8, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: So your issue is that most Canadians reject your fringe views? my issue is that to most Canadians liberty is fringe f*ck most Canadians and the horse they rode in on they are the extremists not I Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: my issue is that to most Canadians liberty is fringe f*ck most Canadians they are the extremists not I So you are defining “extremist” as anyone who doesn’t agree with your stance on liberty, even if it is the vast majority of people. Do you think that is the common definition used by most Canadians when talking about extremist views? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: So you are defining “extremist” as anyone who doesn’t agree with your stance on liberty, even if it is the vast majority of people. Do you think that is the common definition used by most Canadians when talking about extremist views? extremism in defense of liberty is no vice moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue Canada and most Canadians are too dumb to get that they see it the opposite way extremism in defense of liberty is no virtue moderation in pursuit of justice is no vice Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: extremism in defense of liberty is no vice moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue Claiming we don’t have liberty does not make it true. And it didn’t answer my question in any way. Edited February 8, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Claiming we don’t have liberty does not make it true. but it is true my claim doesn't make it so reality makes it so my claim is based on observed reality both on paper and in practice Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: but it is true my claim doesn't make it so reality makes it so my claim is based on observed reality both on paper and in practice Looking at the exact same evidence, most would disagree with your assertion, wouldn’t they? Edited February 8, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Most would disagree with you, wouldn’t they? sure but that is argument ad populum a logical fallacy what is popular isn't always good and what is good isn't always popular how many people agree or don't agree with you doesn't win an argument Edited February 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: sure but that is argument ad populum a logical fallacy what is popular isn't always good and what is good isn't always popular how many people agree or don't agree with you doesn't win an argument If you think most Canadians won’t fight for freedom and Treebeard asks if most Canadians agree with your stance on the importance of freedom, he’s merely proving your point. I hear you. I hope it’s not true that most Canadians don’t care about freedom, but I have my doubts. I’m losing interest in Canada. I sometimes think the people are becoming sucky. It’s all about getting handouts and being micromanaged like irresponsible babies. If Trudeau succeeds in maintaining mandates, that’s all the proof we need. When people who are willing to sacrifice income to defend freedom are characterized as scary extremists, we’ve lost the plot as a society. If we won’t defend the Constitution, what do Canadians stand for and what’s the value of Canada? Might as well move to the US or Britain where freedom is valued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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