Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eyeball said: You think the word listen means speak. I know their arguments better than they do it is they who don't listen to anyone but themselves they think listen means agree with them if you don't agree with them then you aren't "listening" but they project their not listening unto others Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: government mandates are force Who says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Who says? rational people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: rational people Are seatbelt laws force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, TreeBeard said: Are seatbelt laws force? yes you clearly have no idea what force is you think if you agree with the use of force, then it isn't force that's not how it works Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: yes Do you wear a seatbelt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Do you wear a seatbelt? Are you forcing him to be logical or mandating it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Do you wear a seatbelt? yes doesn't mean there should be a law mandating that I do you can be in favor of something and not for it being mandatory you can be against something and not in favor of it being banned smart people understand this Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: yes doesn't mean there should be a law mandating that I do you can be in favor of something and not for it being mandatory you can be against something and not in favor of it being banned smart people understand this What if your grandchild says they don't want to wear a seatbelt when you take them for a drive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, eyeball said: What if your grandchild says they don't want to wear a seatbelt when you take them for a drive? then no drive for them grown adults aren't children though they can make their own choices so bad analogy the government is not the parent and the people are not the children if that is how you view government it's no wonder you support tyranny Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 There’s a major qualitative difference between forcing people to get vaccinated and show the proof to enjoy basic freedoms and requiring people to wear a seatbelt on penalty of a fine or loss of points. First off, vaccines don’t prevent you from getting Covid. They mitigate and people have differences of informed opinion on their value based on a year of their existence. Seatbelts existed a long time before they were made mandatory. C’mon. No sophistication in these arguments. The situation today with what we know about Omicron and vaccines makes vaccine passports and our mandates and restrictions ridiculous. Trudeau is simplistic. Our government is weak. Bunch of bandwagoners who can’t wait to mandate treatments and remove freedoms. It’s so lame. Canada sucks right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Can you name a person who was forcibly injected against their will? All the non-vaccinated federal civil servants that wanted to keep their jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: then no drive for them grown adults aren't children though they can make their own choices so bad analogy the government is not the parent and the people are not the children I'm merely illustrating the difference between a mandate and force which of course is choice. I'm under the mandate my daughter gives me to force me to make her kids wear seatbelts in the pickup or a life-jacket when we go out in the boat. Their mom is like the voter, I'm the government under her mandate and the children are like...stubborn little conservatives who protest against it all most of the time. Quote if that is how you view government it's no wonder you support tyranny Only in my role as Master when I have a crew I'm allowed to torment. I can certainly see how there'd be no end of opportunities for a real psychopath in a real dictatorship. Full disclosure; we only follow mom's orders on the highway but when we go rippin up and down a logging road I let the kids jump in the back of the pickup and howl FREEDOM!!!! Edited February 5, 2022 by eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Who says? Do you think its not force if government says the unvaccinated truckers or vaccinated travellers are forced to quarantine when coming back into the country? "Force" is ANY time you can't do whatever you want in society by law. Any time the government forces you to do something or not do something, it's force. Every single law in our society is "force", and they use fines or the threat of violence (arrest and jail) to ensure compliance. That's how the law works. Edited February 5, 2022 by Moonlight Graham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: I'm merely illustrating the difference between a mandate and force which of course is choice. distinction without a difference mandates are force whether people choose to follow them or not is besides the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/2/2022 at 1:54 PM, QuebecOverCanada said: Pierre Poilievre should be the next Prime Minister of Canada. Will never happen, because he's a snake and people don't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Do you think its not force if government says the unvaccinated truckers or vaccinated travellers are forced to quarantine when coming back into the country? "Force" is ANY time you can't do whatever you want in society by law. Any time the government forces you to do something or not do something, it's force. Every single law in our society is "force", and they use fines or the threat of violence (arrest and jail) to ensure compliance. That's how the law works. nailed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: Will never happen, because he's a snake and people don't like him. least worst option for the CPC is obvious unelectable sure but Canadians not liking him is a badge of honor Bernier knows Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: distinction without a difference mandates are force whether people choose to follow them or not is besides the point Unless they can choose in which case that distinction is the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: nailed it No he didn't. Laws spell out the requirement(s) to behave according to society's rules and fines or the threat of violence (arrest and jail) are consequences for choosing not to follow them. That's how the law works. It's not a cop fastening your seat-belt and its pure sophistry to say mandate = force because it just ain't true. Edited February 5, 2022 by eyeball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, eyeball said: Unless they can choose in which case that distinction is the difference. I can point a gun at someone's head tell them to do as I say or get shot they can choose to do as I say but this is still force me giving them a choice doesn't make it not force distinction without a difference Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: No he didn't. Laws spell out the requirement(s) to behave according to society's rules and fines or the threat of violence (arrest and jail) are consequences for choosing not to follow them. That's how the law works. It's not a cop fastening your seat-belt and its pure sophistry to say mandate = force because it just ain't true. you don't know what force is so your opinion on what is and isn't force is not relevant Moonlight Graham does know though his opinion is relevant as a result and he nailed it Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: you don't know what force is so your opinion on what is and isn't force is not relevant Is Merriam-Webster relevant enough? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mandate https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force How come wind speeds are expressed as force 1 thru 10? Why no hurricane mandate winds? And how come a politician asks us for a mandate as opposed to simply submitting to our force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 The only way to defeat Darth Vader is to use the Mandate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 5, 2022 Report Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Is Merriam-Webster relevant enough? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mandate https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/force How come wind speeds are expressed as force 1 thru 10? Why no hurricane mandate winds? And how come a politician asks us for a mandate as opposed to simply submitting to our force? your own definition doesn't agree with you nowhere in the definition of mandate does it say it's not force nowhere in the definition of force does it say a mandate isn't force Edited February 5, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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