Trucker's Convoy

[West]

6 hours ago, marcus said:

Fortunately, majority of Canadians believe that the Queen is no longer relevant, and the numbers will continue to increase.

Personally, I believe we should detach ourselves from archaic symbols, and separate ourselves from them, while acknowledging all of the wrongs of our past. These old ways bring nothing positive to our society. They only symbolize a class system, that has brought nothing but misery around the world, except for a small percentage.

That family is messed up. Years of intermarriage, pedophilia and psychopaths burning folks alive for not being of the same religion as them has really messed up the gene pool

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, West said:

That family is messed up. Years of intermarriage, pedophilia and psychopaths burning folks alive for not being of the same religion as them has really messed up the gene pool

none the less, Canada is the monarchy, the monarchy is Canada

you cannot have one without the other

there is no Republic of Canada and there never will be

the monarchy even owns title to the name "Canada"

all you could do is kill Canada, rid yourself of it, by writing a new constitution

but that would not be the Confederation anymore

that would result in a Republic of Quebec by default, which is the end of Canada on the spot

Edited April 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

I like the pageantry and historical connections to Great Britain.  Much of our democracy and our institutions derive from it.  The alternative is a republic, but it might look more like the People’s Republic of China than the U.S. At least Britain is an honourable fall-back position when our leaders get inhuman creep-toid ideas about post-national state and “You will own nothing and be happy.”   Britain maintains her own defence and values, answers to no one.  She was the first country to declare war on Nazi Germany.  There’s honour there.  I trust their government more than Trudeau’s government of Canada, which basically takes marching orders from international bodies. I think keeping the monarchy is in Canada’s interests until we are truly and fully independent.  We can be that way and we were more that way before this government.  It’s a political choice.  For now, I’ll take ER2 over Trudeau and our silent GG.  

Edited April 25, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Goddess]

23 hours ago, dialamah said:

I guess private businesses can do what they like. 

That's likely what the German citizenry said when the Jews were denied banking services, too. ?

It's amazing to me how many people have learned nothing from history.  I don't think there's anything the govenrment can do that you won't go along with.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That's likely what the German citizenry said when the Jews were denied banking services, too. ?

the parallel runs even deeper

since the Nazis first rubric for persecuting the Jews was to declare that Jews were a "public health threat"

the Holocaust began as bureaucratic arbitrary nonsensical public health orders

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

the parallel runs even deeper

since the Nazis first rubric for persecuting the Jews was to declare that Jews were a "public health threat"

the Holocaust began as bureaucratic arbitrary nonsensical public health orders

Purity passes, whether for health or pseudoscience like racial determinism, are also compliance tests.  Government can get a read of how much loss of freedom and infringement of rights people are willing to accept.  They also get data on the non-compliant, so that they can be targeted.  In the Holocaust it was extermination or political imprisonment.  Now it’s deplatforming and removal from the economy, which is financial ruination.  

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  Now it’s deplatforming and removal from the economy, which is financial ruination.  

this is pre genocidal behavior none the less

the process of dehumanization which leads to policies of extermination

it doesn't remain in a steady state, it escalates as it goes

although Canada is less like a Weimar Germany and more like a giant Ulster

the Confederation's seminal enemy of course, being the Fenians at Ridgeway in 1866

Edited April 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

this is pre genocidal behavior none the less

the process of dehumanization which leads to policies of extermination

it doesn't remain in a steady state, it escalates as it goes

Absolutely.

Look at the the policies of dehumanization, demonization and locking citizens out of society that ones here are supporting, with cavalier statements like "Well, businesses can do whatever they want.  Unvaccinated can just have groceries delivered.  Eating at a restaurant is a privilege not a right. Unvaccinated people should not have access to health care or employment, they should be separated from society."

The government has convinced them that normal and healthy people are to be feared and ostracized.  It has convinced them that its "for the greater good" to do so and that unvaccinated means the same as infected.

I didn't live during Nazi Germany times, so it's bizarre to me, but I'm getting a better understanding of how and why the German citizenry accepted and went along with Jews being exterminated.  It was a process.  A process they fully went along with even after it was clear that what was going on was crimes against humanity.

[marcus]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

ah, but there is nothing you can do about it

because you can't change the constitution

so your opinions are irrelevant in this case

 

Everything can be updated for the best. Even if a small number of people object to it.

Barbados becomes a republic and parts ways with the Queen

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-59470843

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, marcus said:

Everything can be updated for the best. Even if a small number of people object to it.

Barbados becomes a republic and parts ways with the Queen

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-59470843

but Canada is not Barbados

Canada is a very weak cobbled together Confederation which is already tearing itself apart at the seams

Canada is the only Confederation of the British Empire, Canada is unique among Commonwealth states

because the only thing holding Quebec in, is the monarchy

without the monarchy, Quebec immediately becomes an independent country, a republic of its own, by default

this ends the purpose of the Confederation on the spot, Canada simply does not exist anymore without Quebec

whatever the new set of countries that would form in the wake, it would not be Canada anymore

 

 

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Absolutely.

Look at the the policies of dehumanization, demonization and locking citizens out of society that ones here are supporting, with cavalier statements like "Well, businesses can do whatever they want.  Unvaccinated can just have groceries delivered.  Eating at a restaurant is a privilege not a right. Unvaccinated people should not have access to health care or employment, they should be separated from society."

The government has convinced them that normal and healthy people are to be feared and ostracized.  It has convinced them that its "for the greater good" to do so and that unvaccinated means the same as infected.

I didn't live during Nazi Germany times, so it's bizarre to me, but I'm getting a better understanding of how and why the German citizenry accepted and went along with Jews being exterminated.  It was a process.  A process they fully went along with even after it was clear that what was going on was crimes against humanity.

it's the same process over & over

same in Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Rwanda, etc

Canada is most like Yugoslavia on that list

as there's more than just two factions in Canada, Canada is Balkanized

[Dougie93]

the thing that younger Canadians do not understand

is that Canada is not a unitary state

younger Canadians have been raised in the Post National State fabricated by the Liberal Party of Canada

but that is a fake country, it doesn't actually exist, the Liberal Post National State is not in the constitution

the reality of Canada is that it is a shotgun marriage

the provinces have been forced into this Confederation,  and as such, none of them have ever gotten along

Canada is perpetually in a state of conflict with itself, highly unstable

the only thing that holds it together, is that you need a majority of provinces to agree to change the constitution

it's only been done once, and they've never been able to even get close to that consensus again since

furthermore, Quebec never signed the new Canada Act 1982

Quebec is only in Confederation by the older British North America Act

and the BNA Act is entirely about the monarchy, the BNA Act is the Queen

 Canada is on the brink of collapsing at all times

so messing with the constitution is something that no federal government has dared do since 1982

particularly since the 1995 Quebec Referendum Crisis

which came a hairs breadth away from ending Canada overnight

[ExFlyer]

Getting back to topic of the trucker convoy and the repercussions to the Emergency Act.

It seems the feds have opened a public inquiry as required by the Emergency Act.

"The federal government has officially called an independent public inquiry into its use of the Emergencies Act during the blockades at Canadian border crossings and in Ottawa earlier this year."

 

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/government-calls-inquiry-into-use-of-emergencies-act-5297259

[marcus]

8 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the young Millennial Marcus provides a perfect case in point

Marcus has not even been raised to be a Canadian

Marcus has been raised to be an International Communist

Marcus is diametrically opposed to Canada

as there is no Soviet People's Republic of Canada

there is only the monarchy

and yet the youth have been brainwashed against it by the Marxists

and this is the future generations,  this is who Canada is being handed to

so Canada is not going to last much longer, obviously

Seriously?

Stop with the weakminded personal attacks.

Me? Communist? Opposed to Canada?

Just so you know, I can't be bothered to fall into the trap of wasting time with people who want to apply these absolutes.

[marcus]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but Canada is not Barbados

Canada is a very weak cobbled together Confederation which is already tearing itself apart at the seams

Canada is the only Confederation of the British Empire, Canada is unique among Commonwealth states

because the only thing holding Quebec in, is the monarchy

without the monarchy, Quebec immediately becomes an independent country, a republic of its own, by default

this ends the purpose of the Confederation on the spot, Canada simply does not exist anymore without Quebec

whatever the new set of countries that would form in the wake, it would not be Canada anymore

We have already done away with a lot of the control the monarchy has had.

Canada is unique, but the monarchy is not the glue that holds us together. The monarchy is not even part of our thinking system. What keeps us together are bacon, maple syrup, immigration, hockey, and healthcare.

It is to Quebec's advantage to stay with the rest of Canada. The status quo works well for them in many ways. I'm not worried about it. 

[marcus]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

my principle concern would only be avoiding a violent upheaval

as Canada is collapsing, imploding, dissolving

the key is to avoid a civil war

and there is a mechanism for this

Canada is not a binding Confederation, secession from Canada is written into the constitution as an option

as Canada is killing itself anyways, Canada is dying,

the most important thing is an orderly death for the Confederation

the provinces must simply carry on without Canada, as countries unto themselves

vive le Quebec libre

Same thing is happening in the U.S. Their financial system is not working, and those in power are doing whatever they can to squeeze the last few drops of the old, failing system. 

The current financial system, the monopoly of industries, and the socialism for corporations that has been created by the governments (and the corp lobbyists) are the issues. Fortunately for them, instead of talking about the corrupt system we have, they have the people fighting amongst themselves, where people call each other communists and Canada haters, and etc. 

There is no saving the decaying, corrupt system we have.

We will either hit rock bottom, and everything will collapse, or a new system, led by blockchain technology, and a rise of new industries, will slowly transition us out of the mess.

Edited April 25, 2022 by marcus

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, marcus said:

Seriously?

Stop with the weakminded personal attacks.

Me? Communist? Opposed to Canada?

Just so you know, I can't be bothered to fall into the trap of wasting time with people who want to apply these absolutes.

/shrugs

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, marcus said:

We have already done away with a lot of the control the monarchy has had.

Canada is unique, but the monarchy is not the glue that holds us together. The monarchy is not even part of our thinking system. What keeps us together are bacon, maple syrup, immigration, hockey, and healthcare.

It is to Quebec's advantage to stay with the rest of Canada. The status quo works well for them in many ways. I'm not worried about it. 

/shrugs

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, marcus said:

Same thing is happening in the U.S. They financial system is not working, and those in power are doing whatever they can to squeeze the last few drops of the old, failing system. 

The current financial system, the monopoly of industries, and the socialism for corporations that has been created by the governments (and the corp lobbyists) are the issues. Fortunately for them, instead of talking about the corrupt system we have, they have the people fighting amongst themselves, where people call each other communists and Canada haters, and etc. 

There is no saving the decaying, corrupt system we have.

We will either hit rock bottom, and everything will collapse, or a new system, led by blockchain technology, and a rise of new industries, will slowly transition us out of the mess.

/shrugs

[marcus]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Getting back to topic of the trucker convoy and the repercussions to the Emergency Act.

It seems the feds have opened a public inquiry as required by the Emergency Act.

"The federal government has officially called an independent public inquiry into its use of the Emergencies Act during the blockades at Canadian border crossings and in Ottawa earlier this year."

 

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/government-calls-inquiry-into-use-of-emergencies-act-5297259

This is at least a positive step.

As much as I believe the approach the convoy and its backers took, and the timing of it, is something I am against, for the government to suddenly close accounts, is a huge red flag.

[West]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Getting back to topic of the trucker convoy and the repercussions to the Emergency Act.

It seems the feds have opened a public inquiry as required by the Emergency Act.

"The federal government has officially called an independent public inquiry into its use of the Emergencies Act during the blockades at Canadian border crossings and in Ottawa earlier this year."

 

https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/government-calls-inquiry-into-use-of-emergencies-act-5297259

"Independent" ?. 

"We investigated ourselves and found that we were right"

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, West said:

"Independent" ?. 

"We investigated ourselves and found that we were right"

Yup, pessimism, as expected. You have no idea who is on the investigation team.

[West]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Yup, pessimism, as expected. You have no idea who is on the investigation team.

I know that they are trying to limit the scope of the enquiry into how mean those truckers were and shift any focus off why the prime minister faked covid, skipped town, then acted like a two year old in front of the media. Then invoked an Emergencies Act before taking steps, ie visiting with convoy leaders, to diffuse the situation. 

No investigation into why they were running horses through a crowd or pulling unarmed truckers out of vehicles at gun point then clubbing people in the head like a fish. 

And they are trying to obstruct any investigation into these actions through fighting groups like the Canadian Civil Liberties Union. 

Our prime minister is a sick man. He needs some help

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, West said:

I know that they are trying to limit the scope of the enquiry into how mean those truckers were and shift any focus off why the prime minister faked covid, skipped town, then acted like a two year old in front of the media. Then invoked an Emergencies Act before taking steps, ie visiting with convoy leaders, to diffuse the situation. 

No investigation into why they were running horses through a crowd or pulling unarmed truckers out of vehicles at gun point then clubbing people in the head like a fish. 

And they are trying to obstruct any investigation into these actions through fighting groups like the Canadian Civil Liberties Union. 

Our prime minister is a sick man. He needs some help

They said it may take a year. And it is not an inquiry into the truckers, it is into the issuance and requirement and usage of the emergency act.

Burt hey, you must be right. Maybe you should just write the report for them and save a year

Oh and, stop making stuff up again. I know it pains you but give it a try

[West]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

They said it may take a year. And it is not an inquiry into the truckers, it is into the issuance and requirement and usage of the emergency act.

Burt hey, you must be right. Maybe you should just write the report for them and save a year

Oh and, stop making stuff up again. I know it pains you but give it a try

The statement released by the PMO is pretty clear 

"The Commission will examine the circumstances that led to the declaration being issued and the measures taken in response to the emergency. This includes the evolution of the convoy, the impact of funding and disinformation, the economic impact, and efforts of police and other responders prior to and after the declaration."

 

So basically they set what they are looking at, and doesn't appear be any actions by our fearless leader hiding in his bunker and faking an illness so he didn't have to go to work.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2022/04/25/prime-minister-announces-public-order-emergency-commission-following