Trucker's Convoy

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

Why wouldn't you mention Finland, Norway, and even Sweden that never had draconian restrictions, lockdowns and mandates? Because these are the facts and they directly contradict the story that restrictions are necessary. No. They aren't necessary and not justified by the evidence. They are arbitrary and unreasonable. Honest, open and voluntary approach with high quality, effective, efficient and agile healthcare system would and have achieved better results.

The restrictions aren't saving anybody; only covering bureaucratic ar..es incapable of competent and effective management. Yes facts show that. And the facts are sufficient for this conclusion.

Nonsense.  The virus is airborne and spreads by people breathing.   So if you wear a mask and keep your distance or don't go where there are lot of people or where there may be people with Covid, of course you are less likely to catch it.

Vaccination makes you less likely catch it, less likely to be seriously ill, less likely to be hospitalized, and less likely to spread it to other people.  So it saves thousands of lives in Canada.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The right wing in the U.S. in many states are much more distrustful of government and many refused to get vaccinated.  They also oppose health measures much more than people in Canada.  Their vaccinations rates are significantly lower than Canada for second does and booster shots.  They also oppose masks and social distancing.  These factors is what caused their death rates to be much higher.

nope

many US states were just as restrictive as Canada and didn't have Canada's death rates

they had higher death rates than many right wing American states you are shitting on, in fact

your hypothesis is not supported by the data

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[myata]

Just now, blackbird said:

The virus is airborne and spreads by people breathing. 

So you're not answering a direct question? OK that can be expected, because you can't. Because it's not the restrictions that produce results but intelligent and effective and efficient management and an entrenched and entitled bureaucratic system simply cannot do that. But you will not admit it and so there's no point in responding to you. Point closed.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You realize you and others on here have not mentioned the fact that thousands of lives have been saved by the health restrictions and vaccine mandates.  If it were not for those measures, thousands or perhaps tens of thousands more Canadians would have died from Covid.

You're talking mask and vaccine mandates as well as lockdowns, right?

There's all kind of science saying mask mandates and lockdowns don't work, so the figure on those two would be so close to none might as well say none. Might be less than none if you include the harms caused with suicides, depression, alchohol and drug abuse and such. Then there's death and debilitation from adverse affects of the "vaccine."

Apparently the all cause death rate has risen even if you don't include covid deaths.

I've seen estimates as high as 50% for deaths listed as covid deaths but they were actually death with covid. Comorbidities, not deaths from covid. So chop whatever death stats you want to present in half. 

Also the efficacy of what they call covid "vaccines" wanes. In Spite of what the 5 o'clock liars and their Big Pharma stenographer cousins in the print media are telling you stats will reveal the "pandemic of the unvaccinated" to be a myth after a certain amount of time passes. You can also see that in other countries such as Israel and the UK.

Then there's the fact what they call "vaccine" isn't actually a vaccine. It's more medicine you take to relieve symptoms. A therapeutic. There is science that tells us there are cheap and expensive therapeutics from Ivermectin to monoclonal antibodies that were never made fully accessible to us in Canada.

Japan, Provinces of India, many African Countries, and the state of Florida that did make therapeutics accessible did better than they were doing when they didn't. So how many people did Canada kill by bowing to big pharma pressure and not allowing therapeutic accessibility?

If you're talking "what if's" those are all as valid as any claim mandates and vaccine passports saved lives. It's entirely possible what you want to call "vaccines" killed more than they saved.

There's no need to mandate and definitely no compulsion to deprive a segment of the population of their rights and freedoms. 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[bush_cheney2004]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

With the vaccine, the mandates, and health measures Canada has done a far better job than the UK and the U.S.  Both of those places have had a far greater number of deaths per capita than Canada.  

 

Even with Canada's mandates, there is/was a much higher death rate for nursing homes and long term care facilities compared to other nations.   Why didn't the mandates protect them ?

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

Why wouldn't you mention Finland, Norway, and even Sweden that never had draconian restrictions, lockdowns and mandates? Because these are the facts and they directly contradict the story that restrictions are necessary. No. They aren't necessary and not justified by the evidence. They are arbitrary and unreasonable. Honest, open and voluntary approach with high quality, effective, efficient and agile healthcare system would and have achieved better results.

The restrictions aren't saving anybody; only covering bureaucratic ar..es incapable of competent and effective management. Yes facts show that. And the facts are sufficient for this conclusion.

I don't look up every country in the world before I make a comment.  But I'm sure you do..haha.

The population of Sweden is about 10,500,000 in 2021.  The number of Covid deaths is 16,465 as of Feb. 15, 2022.

The population of Canada is about 38 million.  The death rate is Canada is about 35,000 from Covid.

It is obvious the death rate in Sweden was higher than in Canada which mean Canada's restrictions saved thousands more lives than Sweden which had few restrictions.   

[Infidel Dog]

Also, are you sure there were never mandates and lockdowns in the UK and America. I think you're wrong.

What covid restrictions are supposed to be exclusively Canadian? Are you sure New York and California never had them, for example. Prove it, 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't look up every country in the world before I make a comment.  But I'm sure you do..haha.

The population of Sweden is about 10,500,000 in 2021.  The number of Covid deaths is 16,465 as of Feb. 15, 2022.

The population of Canada is about 38 million.  The death rate is Canada is about 35,000 from Covid.

It is obvious the death rate in Sweden was higher than in Canada which mean Canada's restrictions saved thousands more lives than Sweden which had few restrictions.   

it is obvious that population density plays a larger role than government regulation

you continue to ignore it to pretend that the smallest of factors is somehow responsible for death rates instead

[myata]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It is obvious the death rate in Sweden was higher than in Canada

This is a false comparison because Canada doesn't have a single health system. The rate in Sweden is lower than in Quebec though with comparable geography and population and it never had lockdowns or mandates.

And then there are Norway and Finland that never had lockdowns and doing much better than any province in Canada.

Conclusion: restrictions save only bureaucratic arses, not much else. If you can't do effective management, you do the restrictions.

Edited February 15, 2022 by myata

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

nope

many US states were just as restrictive as Canada and didn't have Canada's death rates

they had higher death rates than many right wing American states you are shitting on, in fact

your hypothesis is not supported by the data

The U.S. death rate from Covid was 280 per 100,000 population.

The Canada death rate from Covid was 94 per 100,000 population.

Canada took far stronger measures and the vaccination rates were higher in Canada.  That is why the U.S. had about three times as many deaths per 100,000 population.

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu)

We saw quite often on the news what a mess the U.S. was with some state fighting and opposing mandates and restrictions.

Edited February 15, 2022 by blackbird

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The U.S. death rate from Covid was 280 per 100,000 population.

The Canada death rate from Covid was 94 per 100,000 population.

Canada took far stronger measures and the vaccination rates were higher in Canada.  That is why the U.S. had about three times as many deaths per 100,000 population.

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center (jhu.edu)

again

many US states were just as restrictive as Canada was

and had the highest death rates in the country, higher than the least restrictive states

it wasn't the mandates and restrictions saving lives

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The U.S. death rate from Covid was 280 per 100,000 population.

The Canada death rate from Covid was 94 per 100,000 population.

But if you want to compare other countries explain to me why Israel is topping the world in infections currently while have one of the top percentages of vaccinated.

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also, are you sure there were never mandates and lockdowns in the UK and America. I think you're wrong.

What covid restrictions are supposed to be exclusively Canadian? Are you sure New York and California never had them, for example. Prove it, 

I saw on the news that certain places had certain restrictions at times.  But there was an ongoing battle between different state and the federal government over mask mandates and some restrictions.  DeSantis, the Republican governor of Florida lifted a lot of restrictions as I recall.  

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

But if you want to compare other countries explain to me why Israel is topping the world in infections currently while have one of the top percentages of vaccinated.

I am not an expert on what is happening in every country.  Are you?  Since you mention it, you tell us.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not an expert on what is happening in every country.  Are you?  Since you mention it, you tell us.

yeah you're only an "expert" on how to cherry pick examples to match your confirmation bias

and ignore everything else

Edited February 15, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

But if you want to compare other countries explain to me why Israel is topping the world in infections currently while have one of the top percentages of vaccinated.

Israel is a very small country and probably very densely populated.  So people probably have much closer contact.  Canada is a very large country with a relatively small spread out population.  

Also don't forget the number of infections is not the most important factor because even vaccinated people catch Covid.  The important factor is the number of deaths.  Maybe Israel has a lot of spread but perhaps relatively mild infections and not so many deaths.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada's mandates did nothing for long term care residents...

 

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Canada's nursing homes have worst record for COVID-19 deaths among wealthy nations: report

Canada has the worst record for COVID-19 deaths in long-term care homes compared with other wealthy countries, according to a new report released on Tuesday by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI).

The study found that the proportion of deaths in nursing homes represented 69 per cent of Canada's overall COVID-19 deaths, which is significantly higher than the international average of 41 per cent.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-record-covid-19-deaths-wealthy-countries-cihi-1.5968749

 

 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

yeah you're only an "expert" on how to cherry pick examples to match your confirmation bias

and ignore everything else

No, I think you are the one ignoring plain facts from Public Health Ontario and DR. Zain Chagla that I gave you.

You don't accept any facts that counter your anti- Covid restrictions / anti vaccine narrative.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, blackbird said:

No, I think you are the one ignoring plain facts from Public Health Ontario and DR. Zain Chagla that I gave you.

You don't accept any facts that counter your anti- Covid restrictions / anti vaccine narrative.

projection is a helluva drug

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

I am not an expert on what is happening in every country.  Are you?  Since you mention it, you tell us.

You don't really have to be an expert to see there's folly in comparing different stats to different countries and hoping to make a point. There are too many contradictory stats and anybody with a link to charts can find those contradictions.

For example you were impressed by some Big Pharma stenographer comparing Canadian per capita death stats to the UK or America.

Very well. Now do Japan.

Japan is 163 deaths per million. Canada is 930. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Japan has never had Vaccine mandates. You can get Ivermectin there.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's mandates did nothing for long term care residents...

 

 

Yes that is true, but you are talking about before a high percentage of residents and staff were vaccinated.  That was especially bad in 2020,  two years ago when Covid first began.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

projection is a helluva drug

Blindness to facts is almost worse than Covid.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

You don't really have to be an expert to see there's folly in comparing different stats to different countries and hoping to make a point. There are too many contradictory stats and anybody with a link to charts can find those contradictions.

For example you were impressed by some Big Pharma stenographer comparing Canadian per capita death stats to the UK or America.

Very well. Now do Japan.

Japan is 163 deaths per million. Canada is 930. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Japan has never had Vaccine mandates. You can get Ivermectin there.

It's a simple fact the death rates in the UK and the US were far higher than Canada.  Has nothing to do with "big pharma".

[Infidel Dog]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Israel is a very small country and probably very densely populated.  So people probably have much closer contact.  Canada is a very large country with a relatively small spread out population.  

Yes. So why would you think it's vaccine mandates and not other factors such as population density, culture, politics or genetics that might explain why Canada might do better than some countries in particular stats and worse than others?

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Blindness to facts is almost worse than Covid.

indeed

but that blindness is from the freedom haters