January 6, 2021 and The Big Lie

[Nationalist]

If anyone is honest, the riot on January 6th 2021 at the US Capital was very bad for the political class and liberating for half the nation. Should Trump have held that rally? Probably not. But does the nation think the 2020 election was rife with cheating? Yup...to this day irregularities are being uncovered. 

So Biden gets on TV and reaffirms the battle lines. For a POTUS who said he was gonna unite people...he's failed in magnificent fashion. 

The Libbies are terrified of Trump or anyone the Globalists can't buy. Anyone who opposes Chinese global dominance. Anyone who stands up to nonsense.

"The Big Lie" is that the January 6th riot was an "insurrection" and that the 2020 election was on the up an' up. That election stunk like rotten fish and everyone knows it. Denial of that is both childish and purely political.

Out of fear for either Trump...or another.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

Another "Big Lie" is this idea that democracy is under attack and the way to save it is to let people who are not US citizens and indeed anyone cast a vote...with a mail in ballot. For President of The United States.

Don't let this happen America. It truly will end democracy. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Nationalist

[eyeball]

What will end democracy in America are the feverish changes to voting laws that Republican controlled state legislatures are making right now to limit voter participation in future elections.  The only way to properly rig elections or stage a coup in America is to make it all perfectly legal to do so.

[ironstone]

It's a pity that this big lie is going to be used for a very long time by the Democrats against the Republicans. 

The real threat is the Democrats plan to continually weaken the integrity of the voting system. Voter ID not required, signature verification not needed, more mail-in ballots. What could possibly go wrong?

[dialamah]

25 minutes ago, ironstone said:

What could possibly go wrong?

More people could vote instead of less?

[ironstone]

10 minutes ago, dialamah said:

More people could vote instead of less?

More people voting and more people voting legally are not exactly the same thing. Voting without positive ID is idiotic for one thing.

The Georgia senate bill 202 : The Election Integrity Act of 2021, originally known as Georgia Senate Bill 202,^[ is a Georgia law overhauling elections in the state. It mandates voter identification requirements on absentee ballots, limits the use of ballot drop boxes, expands early in-person voting, bars officials from sending out unsolicited absentee ballot request forms, reduces the amount of time people have to request an absentee ballot, increases voting stations or staff and equipment where there have been long lines, makes it a crime for outside groups to give free food or water to voters waiting in line, gives the Georgia General Assembly greater control over election administration, and shortens runoff elections, among other provisions.

Can you point to anything here that amounts to voter suppression ? What is there in this bill that is unreasonable?

 

 

[Army Guy]

So there should be no safe guards, put in place? so how do we stop those that are trying to cheat the system. It is already to easy to cheat the system. 

[Nationalist]

51 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What will end democracy in America are the feverish changes to voting laws that Republican controlled state legislatures are making right now to limit voter participation in future elections.  The only way to properly rig elections or stage a coup in America is to make it all perfectly legal to do so.

Limit? How?

Do you consider voter ID a limit to voting rights? Do you consider it unacceptable that only US citizens can vote?

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Limit? How?

Making it a crime to give a voter a drink of water when waiting in line to vote.

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Do you consider voter ID a limit to voting rights?  Do you consider it unacceptable that only US citizens can vote?

I don't think anyone who believes giving a voter a drink of water is an election crime has the ethical background that's required to ask such questions.  But even more pointedly anyone who thinks the last election was stolen is simply too corrupt, partisan and morally debased to give credible opinions on the subject of voting, elections or democracy, even in general terms. 

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So there should be no safe guards, put in place? so how do we stop those that are trying to cheat the system. It is already to easy to cheat the system. 

No, its virtually impossible according to all credible accounts.  

That said, when there is this much distrust in elections and their results the usual course of action for a people still committed to democracy is to invite impartial international election scrutineers to run their election.

I'm sure soldiers are even invited at times to help keep the peace.

Edited January 7, 2022 by eyeball

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Making it a crime to give a voter a drink of water when waiting in line to vote.

I don't think anyone who believes giving a voter a drink of water is an election crime has the ethical background that's required to ask such questions.  But even more pointedly anyone who thinks the last election was stolen is simply too corrupt, partisan and morally debased to give credible opinions on the subject of voting, elections or democracy, even in general terms. 

You're mad about the water and refreshment rules??? My Gawd...how petty. 

And I don't know for sure the final legal tally...because nobody does. The whole night was a shit-show of never seen before crap. Observers tossed...exploding toilets...over night appearance of bags bundles and boxes of "additional ballots". Abject stupidity in numerous states.

Ya...stinks like rotten fish about sums it up and anyone who denies the stench of that farce...is a simple partisan hack.

[eyeball]

Just now, Nationalist said:

You're mad about the water and refreshment rules??? My Gawd...how petty. 

No I'm disgusted by their sheer vindictiveness. They really underscore the hateful intent behind the sorts of changes Republicans are making to elections laws.  You can't call these changes petty - they're far too serious to be petty.

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And I don't know for sure the final legal tally...because nobody does.

 

Horseshit, of course they do.

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The whole night was a shit-show of never seen before crap. Observers tossed...exploding toilets...over night appearance of bags bundles and boxes of "additional ballots". Abject stupidity in numerous states.

Ya...stinks like rotten fish about sums it up and anyone who denies the stench of that farce...is a simple partisan hack.

 

Sounds like a good argument for impartial international scrutineers and eventually a single set of universal election laws instead of 52.    

 

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No I'm disgusted by their sheer vindictiveness. They really underscore the hateful intent behind the sorts of changes Republicans are making to elections laws.  You can't call these changes petty - they're far too serious to be petty.

Horseshit, of course they do.

Sounds like a good argument for impartial international scrutineers and eventually a single set of universal election laws instead of 52.    

 

Lol...so ok...petty.

Not in Arizona they don't. I understand quite a bit of shenanigans went on in Michigan too.

The USA is a republic of states. It's not Cuba or even Canada...and the system appears to be very effective. 

Your comment here seems a little too socialist. One of the unique qualities of the USA is their ability to protect the individual and the separation of powers. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Nationalist

[Army Guy]

13 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, its virtually impossible according to all credible accounts.  

That said, when there is this much distrust in elections and their results the usual course of action for a people still committed to democracy is to invite impartial international election scrutineers to run their election.

I'm sure soldiers are even invited at times to help keep the peace.

Your right, we don't need elections just flip a coin on the front lawn of Parliament. CBC can broadcast the results, no more expensive elections or having to watch this entire train wreck unfold on CBC for 12 hours.  

I'm sure if you ask any Canadian if they trust any politician the answer would be NO, and they are suppose to be the core of our democracy, the ones setting the examples for the rest of us. I don't think it is unreasonable to put restrictions in place to ensure a safer vote just for ease of mind.

Just what we needed another excuse to slam soldiers when things don't work out for one party . sorry we don't need any help in that direction.   

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

What will end democracy in America are the feverish changes to voting laws that Republican controlled state legislatures are making right now to limit voter participation in future elections.  The only way to properly rig elections or stage a coup in America is to make it all perfectly legal to do so.

Which "feverish changes?" Give an example.

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Which "feverish changes?" Give an example.

Making it a crime to give a voter a drink of water when waiting in line to vote.

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your right, we don't need elections just flip a coin on the front lawn of Parliament. CBC can broadcast the results, no more expensive elections or having to watch this entire train wreck unfold on CBC for 12 hours.  

C'mon man! I know you can think straighter and more constructively than this and so do you.

[Infidel Dog]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Making it a crime to give a voter a drink of water when waiting in line to vote.

You're talking about the Georgia law then?

Even what you leftists call your "fact checkers" admit that's not a fact. They claim "mostly false" but the headline is 

A Georgia law has not “criminalized giving people bottles of water.” It pertains to political organizations.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/29/josh-holmes/facts-about-georgias-ban-food-water-giveaways-vote/

Political advocates can't offer food, drink or other gifts to those waiting in line to vote in Georgia.

Poll workers however can make water available.

What else ya got? 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

C'mon man! I know you can think straighter and more constructively than this and so do you.

I think it was dripping of sarcasm myself, I don't think that being on a voters list and then having to prove who you are is asking to much. voters need to get themselves registered to vote in the US, which shows your interested in voting to start with and those that did not register most likely are not going to vote anyway. 

Here in Canada you vote in your district or appointed polling station, if your not on the list they hand write you in...as long as you have 2 u utility bills with your address on it, and proof of ID. Your golden. 

[eyeball]

The fact anyone can be arrested for giving a voter a drink of water during an election is more than enough.  No one that is possessed of this much spitefulness has any justifiable business writing election laws.   

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Here in Canada you vote in your district or appointed polling station, if your not on the list they hand write you in...as long as you have 2 u utility bills with your address on it, and proof of ID. Your golden. 

So we're not...forensic enough? Maybe we could get some scrutineers and dip  our fingers in election dye too.

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The fact anyone can be arrested for giving a voter a drink of water during an election is more than enough.  No one that is possessed of this much spitefulness has any justifiable business writing election laws.   

"Oh Gawd! Certain people can give out water at election sites! Democracy is under attack!!!"

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

"Oh Gawd! Certain people can give out water at election sites! Democracy is under attack!!!"

But wait, there's more!
 

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This year’s tidal wave of restrictive voting legislation will continue in 2022.

Between January 1 and December 7, at least 19 states passed 34 laws restricting access to voting. More than 440 bills with provisions that restrict voting access have been introduced in 49 states in the 2021 legislative sessions. These numbers are extraordinary: state legislatures enacted far more restrictive voting laws in 2021 than in any year since the Brennan Center began tracking voting legislation in 2011. More than a third of all restrictive voting laws enacted since then were passed this year. And in a new trend this year, legislators introduced bills to allow partisan actors footnote1_xc1qoec1  to interfere with election processes or even reject election results entirely.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-december-2021

 

Like I said the way to properly rig an election is to legalize the rig. 

 

Edited January 7, 2022 by eyeball

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, eyeball said:

But wait, there's more!
 

Like I said the way to properly rig an election is to make it all perfectly legal. 

 

Lol..."restrictions" like putting and end to unsolicited mail in ballots. Oh the nerve of them!

Lol...Libbies pulled that once in a pandemic. It worked poorly. Which is why they disallowed such idiocy even in Lincoln's time.

No kidding...this link reads like the tirade of a thief whose been caught.

Edited January 7, 2022 by Nationalist

[eyeball]

42 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Lol..."restrictions" like putting and end to unsolicited mail in ballots. Oh the nerve of them!

The solicitous fear you mean.

What unsolicited mail in ballots?

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Fact check: Clarifying Trump’s 80 million ‘unsolicited’ ballots claim

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-80-million-unsolicited-ball-idUSKBN2622SZ

Experts say that election fraud is very rare in the United States, where nearly one in four voters cast a mail-in or absentee ballot in 2016 (here).  

There are multiple layers of security in place for mail-in ballots, also known as “absentee” ballots, including the Electronic Registration Information Center ( www.ericstates.org ) and adherence to the National Voter Registration Act’s list of maintenance procedures ( here , here). 

 

The National Conference of State Legislatures provides information on home voting, including a section on security features in place here .  

Measures to counter voter fraud include hand-marked paper ballots, signature verification, examining and processing ballots ahead of election day to allow for more verification time, up-to-date address information, security cameras during storage, and many more (see Security Features of Voting by Absentee/Mailed Ballots section here bit.ly/33vUvBA ).

Further information on security measures to ensure ballot integrity can be found here .  

Commissioner Hovland told Reuters these sort of unfounded claims “ignore the repeated calls of elections professionals, both Democrat and Republican, that say this is a safe, normal process with procedures in place to ensure the process upholds the integrity of an election.”

The Reuters Fact Check team has previously debunked several viral claims linking the use of mail-in ballots to voter fraud: here , here , and here . 

VERDICT

False. 80 million “unsolicited” mail-in ballots will not be sent to voters ahead of the 2020 presidential election. Ten states and jurisdictions are proactively sending out ballots, some for the first time due to the coronavirus pandemic, for an approximately 44.2 million registered voters in total.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .