Why does Canada allow itself to be influenced and propagandized by Communist China?

[blackbird]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When did it become illegitimate to criticize a political partisan for the lame opposition and criticisms that are often directed at the party in power?  More importantly though where is the justification for believing and claiming your critics are by default partisan supporters of your opposition?

Now that is a maze of thoughts to figure out.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Marxism, Socialism, wokeness, progressivism is flourishing in Canada and most are asleep and aren't even aware or they openly support it.   

The people in some central American countries and Cuba were asleep at the wheel too and many supported the Communist revolutionaries.  They paid the price with tens of thousands of lives lost and their freedom gone.  They now live in poverty.  In Venezuela the people thought they were being wise when they elected Socialists.  The Socialists destroyed the economy.  Socialists then turned around and took away everyone's freedom and brutally imposed totalitarianism.  Now the people are starving and trying to flee. 

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Economics: Why is it that reporters keep scratching their heads about Venezuela's descent into extreme poverty and chaos? The cause is simple. Socialism. End it and you will end the misery.

When the New York Times wrote about Venezuela's ongoing collapse a year ago, it described how the country was suffering "painful shortages … even of basic foods," and how "electricity and water are being rationed, and huge areas of the country have spent months with little of either."

Here is how the Times explained the reason for Venezuela's dire situation: "The growing economic crisis (was) fueled by low prices for oil, the country's main export; a drought that has crippled Venezuela's ability to generate hydroelectric power; and a long decline in manufacturing and agricultural production."

There's no mention — not one — of the fact that Hugo Chávez tried to turn Venezuela into a socialist paradise, policies that his successor Nicolás Maduro has continued. The Times' coverage is par for the course.  Unquote  

What Caused Venezuela's Collapse Is No Mystery — Except To Economically Illiterate Journalists | Investor's Business Daily (investors.com)

Of course the left wing media try to put a different spin on.  We live in a world of lies.

It's sad to say but there are plenty of stunned Canadians that believe in socialism and communism. These stunned people should go live in a socialist or communist country for a year. I can bet that they could not wait to get the hell out of those communist countries as soon as possible. Maybe then those Canadians will finally get it and become real and true conservatives and fight to keep Canada free from communism. The bigger the government the less freedom one will have because the government will always be the problem and never the bloody solution. ?

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Now that is a maze of thoughts to figure out.

Not really. More simply put, why it it appropriate to assume Trudeau is 'my boy' when I don't declare O'Toole as being 'my boy'?

Even more simply put how does not being a conservative of some stripe automatically make me a commie of another?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, eyeball said:

1. Not really. More simply put, why it it appropriate to assume Trudeau is 'my boy' when I don't declare O'Toole as being 'my boy'?

2. Even more simply put how does not being a conservative of some stripe automatically make me a commie of another?

1. Because BINARY.  Because binary.
2. Or a Nazi ?  Heeeeeyyyyy... hang on.... ?

[taxme]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 

Trudeau should stick with Bhangra dancing.  He's better at that than anything else.

Comrade Castro Trudeau should stick a broom up his arse and then go for a short drive to the end of some high cliff and then jump off that cliff and try to see if he is able to fly with his made in communist China broom. Just a suggestion for our dear Marxist leader for something to do. Just saying. ?

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not really. More simply put, why it it appropriate to assume Trudeau is 'my boy' when I don't declare O'Toole as being 'my boy'?

Even more simply put how does not being a conservative of some stripe automatically make me a commie of another?

If you not a conservative in thinking, that only leaves Marxist-leaning liberal or NDP.

[Faramir]

50 minutes ago, taxme said:

It's sad to say but there are plenty of stunned Canadians that believe in socialism and communism. These stunned people should go live in a socialist or communist country for a year. I can bet that they could not wait to get the hell out of those communist countries as soon as possible. Maybe then those Canadians will finally get it and become real and true conservatives and fight to keep Canada free from communism. The bigger the government the less freedom one will have because the government will always be the problem and never the bloody solution. ?

The majority of Canadians are Marxist.  Out of 3 people, 2 would be Marxist, by the voting balances that go to Liberal, Green, NDP and Bloc.

[Faramir]

37 minutes ago, taxme said:

Comrade Castro Trudeau should stick a broom up his arse and then go for a short drive to the end of some high cliff and then jump off that cliff and try to see if he is able to fly with his made in communist China broom. Just a suggestion for our dear Marxist leader for something to do. Just saying. ?

Trudeau is up there with Xiden as far as the worlds' biggest douches.  

[Faramir]

46 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not really. More simply put, why it it appropriate to assume Trudeau is 'my boy' when I don't declare O'Toole as being 'my boy'?

Even more simply put how does not being a conservative of some stripe automatically make me a commie of another?

My experience is, and this goes for the USA as well as Canada, and probably the world, people are far LESS conservative than they THINK they are.  W Bush I bet considers himself a die hard conservative, when in fact, by the measure of the Von Mises crowd, the kindest thing you can say is that Bush is an interventionist.  (not a statist, but just one notch above).  I bet Liberal voters actually see themselves as centrist.  And CPC voters think of themselves as hard conservatives, when they are really in the middle.

[Faramir]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If you not a conservative in thinking, that only leaves Marxist-leaning liberal or NDP.

Well....there are moderates, but Canada is not like the USA, where the majority are moderates.  Moderates fill a pretty slim part of the pie - maybe 20%.  And objectively Canada, and the USA, and the world is far more left leaning than it was say 40 years ago.  So what is conservative is viewed from a increasingly left wing perspective.

[blackbird]

28 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Well....there are moderates, but Canada is not like the USA, where the majority are moderates.  Moderates fill a pretty slim part of the pie - maybe 20%.  And objectively Canada, and the USA, and the world is far more left leaning than it was say 40 years ago.  So what is conservative is viewed from a increasingly left wing perspective.

 When people vote for the Liberal party and Liberals bring in a very radical agenda, it's hard to see how that is "moderate".

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

Well....there are moderates, but Canada is not like the USA, where the majority are moderates.  Moderates fill a pretty slim part of the pie - maybe 20%.  And objectively Canada, and the USA, and the world is far more left leaning than it was say 40 years ago.  So what is conservative is viewed from a increasingly left wing perspective.

Liberals and NDP lean heavily toward Marxism.  Liberals are more accurately described as hard-core progressives or woke liberals.  They just agreed to pay 40 billion dollars to natives who were taken into foster care and allegedly deprived of their culture.  This is unheard of in any other place on the planet.  It's hard to see how much more radical Liberals could be.  This staggering amount of money will be taken from ordinary taxpayers today who had absolutely nothing to do with taking FNs into foster care and they were placed there in order to protect them.  There was no other place to put them.  There are other things that prove the radical nature of the Liberal government.  Things you might or might not agree with. 

Edited January 5, 2022 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

 And objectively Canada, and the USA, and the world is far more left leaning than it was say 40 years ago.  So what is conservative is viewed from a increasingly left wing perspective.

When Obama tried to raise taxes to lower than what they were under Ronald Reagan they called him a left Commie... We should really have an emoticon for circle j*** on here...

[Faramir]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 When people vote for the Liberal party and Liberals bring in a very radical agenda, it's hard to see how that is "moderate".

Because it is not "radical" to brain dead Canadians.

[Faramir]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When Obama tried to raise taxes to lower than what they were under Ronald Reagan they called him a left Commie... We should really have an emoticon for circle j*** on here...

Well he is a Saul Alinsky student.  I would consider that pretty left wing. Obama raising taxes was just so out of place, even for Democrats, when we have seen a good two decades now of lowering income tax rates in Canada and the USA.  FWIW, taxes were NOT my key issue for disliking Obama.   In a way I agree with you that there was really not much room at the lowest bracket to cut taxes.  Tax cuts should have come at higher brackets and more work towards cutting corporate tax rates than income tax rates.  Phasing out the death tax.  Ect.  I would much prefer holding tax rates and cutting non military spending, but that is never going to happen because we are all Keynsians now.

[Faramir]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Liberals and NDP lean heavily toward Marxism.  Liberals are more accurately described as hard-core progressives or woke liberals.  They just agreed to pay 40 billion dollars to natives who were taken into foster care and allegedly deprived of their culture.  This is unheard of in any other place on the planet.  It's hard to see how much more radical Liberals could be.  This staggering amount of money will be taken from ordinary taxpayers today who had absolutely nothing to do with taking FNs into foster care and they were placed there in order to protect them.  There was no other place to put them.  There are other things that prove the radical nature of the Liberal government.  Things you might or might not agree with. 

And they with help from the fake conservatives passed a bill that allows conversion from straight to gay, but not the other way around.  If you try to convert someone from gay to straight you will get jail time.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Faramir said:

  when we have seen a good two decades now of lowering income tax rates in Canada and the USA.  

... well, yeah, and yet people on this very thread saying we are going farther left than 40 years ago

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

If you not a conservative in thinking, that only leaves Marxist-leaning liberal or NDP.

the Conservatives are commies too

there is no major party in Canada that isn't communist

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

... well, yeah, and yet people on this very thread saying we are going farther left than 40 years ago

communism is far from solely about tax rates

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Liberals and NDP lean heavily toward Marxism.  Liberals are more accurately described as hard-core progressives or woke liberals.  They just agreed to pay 40 billion dollars to natives who were taken into foster care and allegedly deprived of their culture.  This is unheard of in any other place on the planet.  It's hard to see how much more radical Liberals could be.  This staggering amount of money will be taken from ordinary taxpayers today who had absolutely nothing to do with taking FNs into foster care and they were placed there in order to protect them.  There was no other place to put them.  There are other things that prove the radical nature of the Liberal government.  Things you might or might not agree with. 

True and this kind of dumpster fire of the public purse wouldn’t have taken place under Harper.  Trudeau is a master of opening old wounds and trying to fix policy problems by throwing money at them.  Want to solve the problems on reserves that contributed to bad domestic situations?   Ending the Indian Act would be a start.  Throwing more money at unsustainable, broken systems just perpetuates them.  

Edited January 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

True and this kind of dumpster fire of the public purse wouldn’t have taken place under Harper.  Trudeau is a master of opening old wounds and trying to fix policy problems by throwing money at them.  Want to solve the problems on reserves that contributed to bad domestic situations?   Ending the Indian Act would be a start.  Throwing more money at unsustainable, broken systems just perpetuates them.  

A famous native women Mohawk political activist by the name of Kahn-Tineta Horn said white man will pay and pay and keep paying.   She was absolutely right about that.  I am sure white man will never stop paying, especially as long as we have liberals and left around or people willing to write the cheques on taxpayer's money.

[Faramir]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

... well, yeah, and yet people on this very thread saying we are going farther left than 40 years ago

Yes the nation and its people are MORE left wing.  The new left though is obsessed with climate politics, hates Russia but loves Chinese sweatshops, and want to push their "moral" agenda into the homes of all Canadians.  Lower taxes are more a result of populism than a shift to conservative ideals.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Yes the nation and its people are MORE left wing.  The new left though is obsessed with climate politics, hates Russia but loves Chinese sweatshops, and want to push their "moral" agenda into the homes of all Canadians.  Lower taxes are more a result of populism than a shift to conservative ideals.

The new left loves Chinese sweatshops?  That's just plain retarded.

[Faramir]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The new left loves Chinese sweatshops?  That's just plain retarded.

Then why did the left say 20 years ago make such a fury about them in Thailand but now carry water for the Chi Coms?  It is honestly an alliance between the left and CINOs.  So called conservative congressmen who get rich or their friends rich with China trade.  Why does the left continue to mix up villains by suddenly hating Russia in 2016 but never criticize China?  The left constantly let's China slide on all its sins. 

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, Faramir said:

Then why did the left say 20 years ago make such a fury about them in Thailand but now carry water for the Chi Coms?  It is honestly an alliance between the left and CINOs.  So called conservative congressmen who get rich or their friends rich with China trade.  Why does the left continue to mix up villains by suddenly hating Russia in 2016 but never criticize China?  The left constantly let's China slide on all its sins. 

I haven't got a clue what you're babbling about. I loathed China's dictatorship and how corporate globalism facilitated the establishment of sweatshops 20 years ago anywhere they were established and spoke out loudly against anyone who thought otherwise.  These in turn, some of them on this forum to this day in fact, routinely identified me as a communist who carries water for dictators, compared me to mass murderer Pol Pot, and had a merry old time laughing at my naivete about how the world worked.

The more you clowns change the more you stay the same.