The push is on of the Omicron or Omnicon virus.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I've seen it but like most of those who propose to "protect the vulnerable" and let everyone else do their thing, they have no idea how to "protect the vulnerable" and the declaration gives no practical details on how to do it.

That statement alone tells me you didn't read it.

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I've seen it but like most of those who propose to "protect the vulnerable" and let everyone else do their thing, they have no idea how to "protect the vulnerable" and the declaration gives no practical details on how to do it.

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS - Great Barrington Declaration (gbdeclaration.org)

 

You need to stop spouting propaganda that has no basis in actual science and start doing research for yourself.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

As much as I can.

Which is better than you reading none of them.

 

After the vaccine was approved Pfizer notified the Johnson County control group that they could be vaccinated. One would assume that this was for their safety, not some kind of conspiracy. Maybe they shouldn't have but one of the placebo group did die from covid, so maybe that was the right decision.  

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS - Great Barrington Declaration (gbdeclaratio

 

You need to stop spouting propaganda that has no basis in actual science and start doing research for yourself.

You still have no clue how to "protect the vulnerable" other than locking them away for the forceable future so you can play. Like they have no right to any kind of life. 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Maybe they shouldn't have but one of the placebo group did die from covid, so maybe that was the right decision.  

According to the 500 pages, the  most death was in the vaccinated group and some from the unvaccinated group also died after they were vaccinated.  And not from covid.

Fauci has used this trick quite a few times to hide a drug's adverse reactions - he eliminates the control group early so there is nothing to compare outcomes to.

One of the other things that really bothered me from the released pages - Pfizer hid Maddie de Garay's vaccine injuries.  This was not accidental. 

That one child was in the group of 1100 trial participants.  Another one died.  With those odds, that means that out of every school you pass as you drive through your city, every school in the country (there is generally around 1100 students per school) - 2 children will die of the vaccines.

Those odds by themselves should have NEVER allowed this vaccine to be forced on children.  And don't tell me they are not being forced. They absolutely are.  If they want to go to school, if they want to play sports, if they want to join youth groups, anything they want to do - they must take the jabs.

[Goddess]

7 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You still have no clue how to "protect the vulnerable" other than locking them away for the forceable future so you can play. Like they have no right to any kind of life. 

That's not what it says.

Perhaps reading comprehension is your issue?

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You still have no clue how to "protect the vulnerable" other than locking them away for the forceable future so you can play. Like they have no right to any kind of life. 

6 minutes between when I posted that link and your reply accusing me that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

6 minutes.

You obviously didn't look up any of the links or give it any thought.

So why should anybody listen to you?

 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

Assuming you are right about the 1000 vaccinated who have died, that is 1000 out of over  30,000 total. 

Question? Do you ever fact check anything you see on Fox or do you just accept it as gospel?

I never got info for vaxxed Canadian deaths from Fox ffs. Are you joking right now?

You said that "people only get a bit sick if they're vaxxed". The truth is that 1,000 people died. I cited the source of that stat. 

Do you ever admit it when you're just 100% wrong? You couldn't possibly be any more wrong here. Your quote was stupid and absurd. 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

How could you know that when I posted this days ago?

Your link didn't mention vaxxed deaths, just breakthrough cases. Breakthrough cases include people who "just get a bit sick", like Aristedes said. Your post was not on point, at all.

Quote

You look particularly stupid when you describe people as not having an f'n clue when they most clearly do. 

I said that you guys didn't have an f'n clue and I was 100% right, as usual.

You look particularly stupid when you type things on the internet.

Quote

Are you vaccinated?

Nope.

I'd get vaccinated because I don't feel like I'd be at risk of harm from the vaxx, but I wouldn't want to help pump up the vaxxed numbers because that puts more pressure on the % of the pop that's unvaxxed, and IMO people under 40 SHOULD NOT VAX.

 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Doctors are not allowed to write exemptions for non medical reasons. A doctor in CT had to surrender her license because she was mailing out signed blank vaccine and mask exemptions. And so she should, I want a doctor who is a professional, not an activist.

I wanted to address this, as well.

A good doctor will treat THE WHOLE PERSON.  That means not just their physical health, but their emotional and mental health also.

For example, the doctor I used to work for - I was the one who booked all the referrals. And I noticed one day (we lived in a high immigrant population area) that I was booking a LOT of circumcisions for young men from Africa.  I asked him why they were all wanting this done.  He said, "They think it will prevent AIDS."

He explained that culturally, they are told and believe strongly that circumcision prevents AIDS so the first thing they want to do when they get to Canada is get it done.  There is no telling them that it is not necessary, or explain the risks of the surgery or anything else.  They want it done, so we oblige - not for any physical reason, but because the doctor believed in treating the WHOLE PERSON.  If it made them feel better mentally or emotionally, then fine.

Doctors are not allowed to write exemptions for non medical reasons.

My point is: that Doctors in the past have done more than just write medical exemptions for non-medical reasons.  They used to do things like the above ^^^ all the time, in treating the WHOLE PERSON (within reason, obviously, dont' come at me with fantastical scenarios that never happened).  Hell, most of the "sick notes" we used to write, we knew the person was just wanting a day off work and wasn't really sick. ?

The fact that some doctors were willing to write exemptions for those who felt strongly that they did not want the vax at this time, is testament to them wanting to treat the WHOLE PERSON.  That is what a professional doctor does.  An activist doctor will throw away your human rights to the government.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Goddess said:

If you actually believe everything you just typed here, then why are you "for" forcing literally everyone, from newborn babies to 100 year olds, to get an experimental vaccine for which YOU are both the long and short term research?

The vaccines are not "experimental" though.  They say the vaccines have been thoroughly tested.  So how do you decide who to believe?  Plenty of health experts say on TV say the Covid is a far worse thing to get than the small risk from vaccine.  Over 30,000 deaths in Canada tied to Covid plus countless others with long term medical issues.  Versus very rare effects from the vaccines and far less chance of even being hospitalized if you are vaccinated.  I'll take my chances with the vaccine,  thanks.  If you want to be a anti-vaxxer, please feel free to do so.

Edited January 4, 2022 by blackbird

[Aristides]

57 minutes ago, Goddess said:

6 minutes between when I posted that link and your reply accusing me that I have no idea what I'm talking about.

6 minutes.

You obviously didn't look up any of the links or give it any thought.

So why should anybody listen to you?

 

I did look at it and what it says is that anyone who is vulnerable should have to hide.

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The vaccines are not "experimental" though.  They say the vaccines have been thoroughly tested.  So how do you decide who to believe?

Well, right now I 100% believe Pfizer when they say they did not "thoroughly test" them because I just read the first 500 pages of the partially done and shoddily done trials.

This video explains some of the issues with the trials, pretty easy to understand, not too technical.

The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 – More Harm Than Good – VIDEO – Canadian Covid Care Alliance

 

[blackbird]

Just now, Aristides said:

I did look at it and what it says is that anyone who is vulnerable should have to hide.

I've been hiding for almost two years now.  Still have to go out for certain essential things but try to stay distant and wear a mask and most important, be vaccinated.  Stayed away from the dentist even though I should have some work done.  Cancelled echo cariogram two or three times because the technician is only about a foot from your face for 20 minutes. Yes I'm doing my part.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I did look at it and what it says is that anyone who is vulnerable should have to hide.

Did I miss that part?

Where did it tell them to hide?

In a closet?  Basement?  Does it have to be a dark hiding place?  Do we feed them from a basket on a string like Buffalo Bill did in Silence of the Lambs?

[Aristides]

54 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never got info for vaxxed Canadian deaths from Fox ffs. Are you joking right now?

You said that "people only get a bit sick if they're vaxxed". The truth is that 1,000 people died. I cited the source of that stat. 

Do you ever admit it when you're just 100% wrong? You couldn't possibly be any more wrong here. Your quote was stupid and absurd. 

I see you have not answered the question. Do you ever fact check Fox? 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Did I miss that part?

Where did it tell them to hide?

In a closet?  Basement?  Does it have to be a dark hiding place?  Do we feed them from a basket on a string like Buffalo Bill did in Silence of the Lambs?

It says they should not go out of their homes. They should order their groceries and everything else, forever necessary. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Well, right now I 100% believe Pfizer when they say they did not "thoroughly test" them because I just read the first 500 pages of the partially done and shoddily done trials.

This video explains some of the issues with the trials, pretty easy to understand, not too technical.

The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 – More Harm Than Good – VIDEO – Canadian Covid Care Alliance

 

I listened to the first part.  I don't have 40 minutes to listen to what I already know they will say.  That is their opinion which they have a right to say.  But you have to remember there are thousands of doctors and disease experts who would disagree with their point of view.  Society is made up of various groups which have opposing opinions, some totally opposite.  You have to weigh the evidence they present against other experts opinion.  This groups says they believe in doing no harm, but how many of them support abortion on demand and medical assistance in dying?  That is doing harm by killing people.  How many of these organizations speak out against abortion and medical assistance in dying.  None I bet.  They claim to be defenders of people, but as long as that fits into their own agenda.  If they were sincere they would be speaking against abortion and medical assistance dying.  But they cherry pick the issue they want to oppose such as vaccinations against Covid for some reason.

Edited January 4, 2022 by blackbird

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It says they should not go out of their homes. They should order their groceries and everything else, forever necessary. 

Nobody can hide in their homes permanently.  There are certain things you have to go out for.  I pick up my groceries at Walmart as they bring them out and put them in the car.  Order online.   But sometimes it is necessary to go to the drugstore or insurance office to renew car insurance.  There are some things that cannot be done on line.  There is also the odd thing that needs to be picked up or mailed at the post office.  It is not possible to be completely 100% isolated forever.  That's why we get vaccinated with the booster shot.

[Goddess]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It says they should not go out of their homes. They should order their groceries and everything else, forever necessary. 

You are a liar.

It says this:

Quote

 

How do we protect older people living at home? 

During high transmission times, older people should be offered home delivery of groceries and other essentials. When seeing friends and relatives, it is best to do it outdoors. Testing should be available for relatives and friends who want to visit. Free N95 masks should be provided for when they cannot avoid potential exposure. 

 

Quote

 

How do we protect older people in multigenerational homes? 

University closures and the economic displacement caused by lockdowns has led millions of young adults to live with older parents, increasing regular close interactions across generations. We know that older people living with working-age adults have higher COVID-19 risk than older people living with other older people. There is no further excess risk if also living with children though. This is the toughest challenge, and family specific solutions must be found. If the working-age household members can work from home, they can isolate together. If that is not possible, the older family member might temporarily be able to live with an older friend or sibling, with whom they can self-isolate together during the height of community transmission. As a last resort, empty hotel rooms could be used for temporary housing. 

 

 

I am done with you when you lie blatantly.

Good day, sir.

Edited January 4, 2022 by Goddess

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I see you have not answered the question. Do you ever fact check Fox? 

You've chosen to go off-topic I see. Shocker.

FWIW I fact check everyone. When I watch Fox, or when my family or friends or FB contacts send me a meme or a link I check into them all the time. 

FWIW I think that a lot of stuff that gets sent to me sounds like BS at first, but it happens quite a bit that the things that I see or hear which sound unlikely actually do come to pass.

E.g., in 2017-2020 Sean Hannity was constantly saying things like "Andrew McCabe is going to be fired before the end of the week" or "the FBI was lying to the FISA court" or "Hillary colluded with Russians" which sounded quite ludicrous at the time. In the end his record for accuracy regarding Russian collusion was hovering around 99% while CNN has ended up at less than 1% accuracy. McCabe was fired. Members of the FBI were demoted, fired and/or criminally charged for their illicit actions during the collusion witch hunt. Hillary actually did arrange for money to be secretly transferred to a British spy who got bogus intel from Russian sources and they used it to interfere in the election. Those were big PREDICTIONS which all came to pass. CNN is constantly wrong about things that already happened. Usually it's lying but occasionally it can probably be passed off as stupidity. In either instance you believe it all anyways so what difference does it really make?

 

Back on topic- you said that dbl-vaxxed only 'get a bit sick' but they actually get hospitalized, end up in ICU, they die, and they also bring new variants back home from distant continents. You were 100% wrong. 

Are you going to own it or what? 

[Goddess]

48 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Plenty of health experts say on TV say the Covid is a far worse thing to get than the small risk from vaccine. 

You added this part to your answer so I will address it.

Health experts on TV?  

The science has proven that not everyone has the same risk of dying from covid.  A 14 year old faces a far, far less risk than someone in their 80's.

The survival rate is still over 99%.  The vast majority of deaths have been amongst the elderly and the obese.

Which is why we shouldn't be vaccinating teenagers like they're 80 year olds.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

 

After the vaccine was approved Pfizer notified the Johnson County control group that they could be vaccinated. One would assume that this was for their safety, not some kind of conspiracy. Maybe they shouldn't have but one of the placebo group did die from covid, so maybe that was the right decision.  

Given what we know about COVID mortality demographics, they had at least one really unhealthy person in the control group. Go figger. 

[myata]

With the amount, quality and strength of evidence presented for vaccination of children and young healthy adults, propaganda of vaccination is in the least, irresponsible. It is not clear whether the benefits for the individual outweigh the risks, whether there's any significant benefit for the society and longer term effects are, plain and simply, unknown. And if gentle encouragement becomes a push, and negative effects are found later, it cannot be written off with another du jour apology. No, given the level intelligence and responsibility involved with these policies, it would have to be considered at least criminal negligence and dereliction of the duty to inform and protect the public.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Plenty of health experts say on TV say the Covid is a far worse thing to get than the small risk from vaccine.  

It depends on your circumstances.

You have a really small risk of dying in your car today. Your seatbelt won't kill you all by itself. Should you wear your seatbelt while you're driving in your car? Yeah. Should you wear your seatbelt at your kitchen table? No.

If there was a 1/10,000,000 chance that your seatbelt would kill you all by itself is it still worth the risk? Maybe. Is it worth the risk if you're a really shitty driver and you're going through the mountains in winter? Of course. Should a 5 yr old wear it in the sandbox? Of course not. 

Right now the stats say that a 5 yr old needs a pseudovax to stay safe as much as they need a seatbelt in the sandbox.

People who ARE NOT AT RISK from covid shouldn't take the shot. There are tens of millions of people who ARE NOT AT RISK from covid. They all have decades of life in front of them. Why take a small chance at death?

And that doesn't even take into account any long term effects that we're still unaware of. There are thousands of things that were initially thought to be safe which eventually turned out to be serious health hazards. 

 

Edited January 4, 2022 by WestCanMan