Putin Dummying Another Dem President

[WestCanMan]

In spring, right after President Teluhhhprompter took over, the Russians started flooding troops to their western border with Ukraine. 
 

Biden chose to appease Russia, and put an an end to Trump’s kibosh on the LNG pipeline to Germany.  

Now there are 175,000 Russians at the border with Ukraine and Putin is the one making demands.

Just remember that when Obama was prez, Putin took over Crimea and annexed part of Ukraine. Obama sat on his hands and did squat.

Then when Trump was prez, all that happened was Trump bombed Russia’s ally twice and then killed 200 of their mercs. Putin rattled his sabre the first time Trump bombed Syria, then he stfu the second time, and Russia buried their soldiers without a peep.

The return of weak, stupid Dems has given rise to more Russian aggression.

China could also be on the verge of taking over Taiwan.

Biden’s Afghan debacle is also fresh in the minds of Putin and Xi. 

Dems ?

[Michael Hardner]

Tucker told us it's ok tho....  "Tucker Carlson has completed his metamorphosis from Republican crank to RT host."

Of course, the guy who ran foreign policy for 4 years is absolutely excused right ?  He fixed North Korea right ?  And Iran ?  

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Now - to be fair, I can't write that without also acknowledging that Obama handed Trump a few of his own messes such as Syria.  So nice to be Canadian when foreign policy is as easy as supporting our biggest ally's symbolic boycott of the olympics in China.... uh.... uh.... uh....

 

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Have a great conspiracy day sir...

[Shady]

On 12/8/2021 at 6:59 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Tucker told us it's ok tho....  "Tucker Carlson has completed his metamorphosis from Republican crank to RT host."

Of course, the guy who ran foreign policy for 4 years is absolutely excused right ?  He fixed North Korea right ?  And Iran ?  

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Now - to be fair, I can't write that without also acknowledging that Obama handed Trump a few of his own messes such as Syria.  So nice to be Canadian when foreign policy is as easy as supporting our biggest ally's symbolic boycott of the olympics in China.... uh.... uh.... uh....

 

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Have a great conspiracy day sir...

Why do you give Biden a pass?  What did you think of him removing sanctions on the Russian pipeline while cancelling Keystone?  Putin must have been giddy at all the new money he's going to make.  He's also probably giddy over Biden's proposal of Ukraine giving up land in exchange for security.  But enablers like you keep making excuses for him, and/or completely ignoring it while still bringing up Trump for some reason.  It's why nobody takes you people seriously anymore.

[BeaverFever]

Not too long ago the Republicans were complaining that Obama was a warmonger unnecessarily confronting Russia and Trump was the great peacemaker who was building bridges and de-escalating tensions with our valued Russian partners.  Never forget Trump went to Helsinki and washed Putin’s balls on live TV, effectively said he trusted Putins words  more that he trusted US Intelligence officials. 
 

Of course Putin was more aggressive with Obama/Biden and less aggressive with Trump, Trump was his ally and Obama/Biden are his enemies   Putin and his oligarchs are still reeling from the billions in Russian assets that Obama froze under Magnitsky and Trump tried unsuccessfully to unfreeze. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by BeaverFever

[ironstone]

On 12/10/2021 at 7:02 PM, BeaverFever said:

Not too long ago the Republicans were complaining that Obama was a warmonger unnecessarily confronting Russia and Trump was the great peacemaker who was building bridges and de-escalating tensions with our valued Russian partners.  Never forget Trump went to Helsinki and washed Putin’s balls on live TV, effectively said he trusted Putins words  more that he trusted US Intelligence officials. 
 

Of course Putin was more aggressive with Obama/Biden and less aggressive with Trump, Trump was his ally and Obama/Biden are his enemies   Putin and his oligarchs are still reeling from the billions in Russian assets that Obama froze under Magnitsky and Trump tried unsuccessfully to unfreeze. 

Putin has been more aggressive with Democratic presidents simply because they can be pushed around more easily than Republicans. There was a time when there was little to separate them when it came to standing up to foreign adversaries.Think Truman or Kennedy for instance.

Biden does not in any way, shape or form project the image of strength. China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and the rest know it.

 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

Putin has been more aggressive with Democratic presidents simply because they can be pushed around more easily than Republicans. There was a time when there was little to separate them when it came to standing up to foreign adversaries.Think Truman or Kennedy for instance.

Biden does not in any way, shape or form project the image of strength. China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and the rest know it.

 

Trump was Putin’s errand boy, whether he knew it or not. As Wescan recently pointed out many Republicans are now anti- foreign intervention. And guess what, doing everything possible to discredit and weaken NATO as Trump and Republicans have been is basically rolling out the red carpet for Putin. How is that standing up to him?  That’s bending over for him. 
 

Sure Republicans USED TO be the war hawks who always wanted war amd bombing with anyone anywhere l, from the time of Teddy Roosevelt right up to George W Bush.   But this new alt-right strain is something different.  The majority of the info and opinion it absorbs comes from the internet and a good portion of that is generated in Russian troll farms and fake news sites. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by BeaverFever

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Trump was Putin’s errand boy, whether he knew it or not.

Every time that you post it's like you're trying to out-iddjit every other post you ever barfed up.

Fact - when Obama was prez, Putin ate his lunch. Russia took what they wanted.

When Trump was prez Russia didn't advance an inch.

The second that Trump was gone Russia was suddenly the BMOC again.

This is just another instance where I can predict things in advance that you can't understand with the benefit of hindsight. Deal with it.

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Every time that you post it's like you're trying to out-iddjit every other post you ever barfed up.

Fact - when Obama was prez, Putin ate his lunch. Russia took what they wanted.

When Trump was prez Russia didn't advance an inch.

The second that Trump was gone Russia was suddenly the BMOC again.

This is just another instance where I can predict things in advance that you can't understand with the benefit of hindsight. Deal with it.

LMAO ok. Like I said  Trump is Putins errand boy, why would he escalate against him amd make him look bad. Don’t forget Trump was in Helsinki saying “Putin offered to have his intelligence people partner with ours to investigate the Russian interference  claims isn’t that great?”  Trump is Putin’s ball-washer and there’s a whole subset of Republicans like Carlson, Giuliani, Manafort among others that are in hoc up to their necks to the Kremlin

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO ok. Like I said  Trump is Putins errand boy, why would he escalate against him amd make him look bad. Don’t forget Trump was in Helsinki saying “Putin offered to have his intelligence people partner with ours to investigate the Russian interference  claims isn’t that great?”  Trump is Putin’s ball-washer and there’s a whole subset of Republicans like Carlson, Giuliani, Manafort among others that are in hoc up to their necks to the Kremlin

I get that you hate Trump but literally every single thing that you say is just your own idiotic opinion.

Putin went to war against Ukraine and seized Crimea when Obama was president and what did Obama do Beave? That's a question that you need to answer if you want to have any credibility here Beave.

Then Putin's militias pretended to be Ukrainian revolutionaries, and they were used to take over part of Eastern Ukraine. What did Obama do? Again, nothing. He didn't even give them any good weapons to help them fight for themselves.

Do you understand that Russia was more aggressive while Obama was president than they were at any time since before the Berlin Wall came down?

If Trump was so soft on Russia then what did they manage to do when Trump was president? Nothing. Russian troops advanced on some of Trump's soldiers and all 200 of them got wasted for their trouble. Then Trump shut down their pipeline, even though Germany also wanted it built. Putin and Merkel together couldn't do anything but pout until another president was elected.

Enter Sandman.

As soon as Sleepy Joe was elected he gave Putin's pipeline the green light, but Russia still went right back on offence. Tens of thousands of troops went to the Ukrainian border that spring. Less than 6 months later there was an invasion force of nearly 200,000 Russians there and now Putin is giving the US ultimatums. 

I know that you want the Dems want to engage in brinkmanship here but they can't project power right on Russia's border. The cost would be astronomical, both in dollars and in money, and Russia would certainly win there. The US will just have to eat their own words if they talk too tough. Putin outmanoeuvred another Demmie and now he's one of the two most powerful men on earth, neither one of them being Joe Biden. 

If you understand all of these things, that's great. If you want to make an argument against any one of those points then that's great too, but don't talk about fondling people's balls here. You're conflating your chat forums. 

 

Cole's notes: Russia dummied Demmie 1 by conquering America's 'ally', Trump brought Russia to heel, then Russia almost instantly dummied Demmie 2. Now the US is in concession mode (or stupid mode).

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Putin went to war against Ukraine and seized Crimea when Obama was president and what did Obama do Beave? That's a question that you need to answer if you want to have any credibility here Beave.

Obama went after the only thing Putin nd his cronies care about- their own personal bank accounts. He locked up billions of their personal assets and it drove them insane. 

Then Putin placed his Manchurian candidate Trump, who publicly stated that he wanted to givethe money back and be friends with Putin. Trumps presidential career is full of flattering comments about Putin and Russia and pledges to move closer to Moscow and literally trie to give Russia everything it asked for.  That’s literally the opposite of standing up to Putin.   Why would Putin do anything other than make things eay for Trump his little puppet bitch?

 

Here is a partial list of of Trumps pro-Putin efforts:

Trump has repeatedly praised Putin

 

While he was a private citizen, during his 2016 campaign and throughout his presidency, Trump has showered Putin with praise. He said Putin was "so nice," he called Putin a "strong leader" and said Putin has done "a really great job outsmarting our country." Trump also claimed he'd "get along very well" with Putin. Few, if any, Western leaders have echoed these comments.

 

Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign 

 

Trump raised eyebrows in spring 2016 when he hired GOP operative Paul Manafort to run his presidential campaign. Manafort spent a decade working for pro-Russian politicians and parties in Ukraine and cultivated close relationships with Putin-friendly oligarchs. Manafort was sentenced in 2019 to 7.5 years prison for, among other things, evading taxes on the $60 million he had made in Ukraine. (He was released to house arrest in May 2020 amid coronavirus concerns.) 

 

Trump suggested Russia can keep Crimea 

 

Trump said Putin did "an amazing job of taking the mantle" when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."

 

Trump aides softened GOP platform on Ukraine

 

Ahead of the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump campaign aides blocked language from the party platform that called for the US government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine for its war against Russian proxies. Mueller investigated this for potential collusion but determined the change was not made "at the behest" of Russia. (The Trump administration ultimately gave lethal arms and anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainian military.)

 

Trump made light of Russian hacking

Trump cast doubt on the US government assessment that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman. At a news conference in July 2016, he even asked Russia to hack more, saying, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,"

 

Trump transition undermined Russian sanctions 

 

After the 2016 election, the Trump transition team asked Russia not to retaliate too strongly against new US sanctions imposed by then-President Barack Obama. The sanctions were intended to punish Russia for interfering in the election, but then-Trump aide Michael Flynn asked the Russian ambassador not to escalate the situation so they could have a good relationship once Trump took over. 

 

Trump was open to lifting Russian sanctions

 

Days before his inauguration, Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he was open to lifting sanctions on Russia. He said: "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?" Putin has tried for years to persuade the US and European countries to end crippling sanctions on Russia's economy. 

 

Trump refused to say Putin is a killer

 

Bucking other US leaders, Trump has dismissed credible allegations that Putin uses violence against his opponents. Trump said in 2015, "I think it would be despicable if that took place, but I haven't seen any evidence that he killed anybody, in terms of reporters." Asked again in February 2017, Trump deflected, saying, "There are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"

 

Trump mulled returning spy bases to Russia

 

The Washington Post reported in May 2017 that the Trump administration considered returning two diplomatic compounds to Russia. The Obama administration expelled Russian diplomats and seized the compounds in New York and Maryland after the 2016 election, claiming they were used for "intelligence" purposes. The compounds were never returned to Russia.

 

Trump gave Russia classified intelligence 

 

In a shocking move during the early months of his presidency, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with two senior Russian officials during an Oval Office meeting in May 2017. The intelligence, which was about ISIS, was sensitive enough that it could have exposed a vulnerable source. The unplanned disclosure by Trump rattled even many of his Republican allies.

 

Trump criticized and alienated NATO allies

 

Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO, aligning himself with Putin, who wants to weaken the alliance. Trump said NATO was "obsolete," rattling European leaders. At his first NATO summit in May 2017, Trump scolded other countries for not spending enough on defense and declined to commit to NATO's mutual defense pledge. (Trump later said he supported the mutual defense provision.) He has also said he wanted to withdraw from NATO, according to The New York Times, though it hasn't happened. 

 

Trump was reluctant to sign Russian sanctions

 

Lawmakers passed a bipartisan bill in July 2017 imposing new sanctions against Russia, even though Trump administration officials reportedly tried to water down the language. Trump reluctantly signed the bill, but claimed the new law contained "clearly unconstitutional provisions." Trump had little choice in the matter because the bill had passed with veto-proof majorities: 419-3 in the House and 98-2 in the Senate. (The Treasury Department followed up with several rounds of hard-hitting sanctions.) 

 

Trump proposed a cyber unit with Russia

 

After the July 2017 meeting of G20 leaders, Trump said he had spoken with Putin about "forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit" to combat "election hacking." Trump quickly backtracked after lawmakers from both parties said it would be ridiculous to work with Russia on cybersecurity because Russia was responsible for egregious hacks against American targets, including during the 2016 election.

 

Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats

 

Trump thanked Putin for expelling hundreds of US diplomats from Russia in August 2017, saying, "I want to thank him because we're trying to cut down our payroll." Putin kicked out the officials to retaliate against US sanctions. Trump's comments conflicted with the State Department, which said the mass expulsion was "uncalled for." (Trump later said he was being sarcastic.)

 

Trump eased sanctions on Deripaska

 

The Treasury Department in 2018 sanctioned Russian oligarch and Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, along with three companies linked to him, over his support for Russian interference in the 2016 election. But by January 2019, the Trump administration lifted some of these sanctions. In a bipartisan rebuke, 11 Senate Republicans supported a Democratic resolution calling for the sanctions to remain.

 

Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election 

 

Ignoring the advice of several top national security aides, Trump congratulated Putin on his March 2018 reelection victory. Putin got 77% of the vote, but Western observers declared that the election "lacked genuine competition" and took place in an "overly controlled legal and political environment." Trump's critics said he had given the election legitimacy it did not deserve. 

 

Trump balked at sanctions for Skripal poisoning

 

Trump privately complained about US sanctions intended to punish Russia after one of its ex-spies was poisoned in the United Kingdom, according to Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton. The US and UK blamed Russia for trying to assassinate the defector, Sergei Skripal. After the sanctions were announced in August 2018, Trump tried to rescind them and said the US was "being too tough on Putin," according to Bolton's memoir. 

 

Trump nixed US statement about Russian war

 

In summer 2018, Trump blocked his administration from releasing a statement on the 10th anniversary of the Russia-Georgia war, according to Bolton's memoir. Bolton said European leaders noticed Trump's silence and "became even more concerned about American resolve." Russia invaded its neighbor Georgia during the five-day war in 2008, and still occupies two breakaway territories.
 

Trump praised pro-Russian leaders in Europe 

 

On several occasions, Trump has praised controversial far-right European leaders who have been shunned by most US officials because of their close ties to Putin. Trump met at the White House with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, a top Kremlin ally. He praised the campaign of French politician Marine Le Pen, whose party previously got millions from a Russian bank. 

 

Trump didn't publicly condemn Russian attack 

 

According to congressional testimony, Trump declined to publicly condemn a Russian attack against Ukrainian military vessels in November 2018, even though the State Department prepared a statement for him. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo criticized Russia's "dangerous escalation." The White House didn't say anything, but Trump canceled a meeting with Putin.

 

Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

 

During a January 2019 Cabinet meeting, Trump defended the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. He said the Soviet Union "was right" to invade in 1979 because "terrorists were going into Russia." The comments puzzled many observers, who noted that the Soviets had invaded to bolster a communist government and the US had backed Afghan militants who fought the Soviets.

 

Trump asked allies to let Russia back in the G7

 

Breaking with American allies, Trump repeatedly called for Russia to be invited back into the Group of Seven. Russia was suspended from the working group of leading industrial nations in 2014 after Putin annexed Crimea. At the August 2019 G7 summit in France, Trump pressed the other leaders to include Russia at the 2020 gathering. They balked at the request, which would have handed a huge victory to Putin without any concessions.

 

Trump's Syria withdrawal gave Putin a boost

 

Trump announced in October 2019 that US troops were withdrawing from northern Syria. The abrupt move cleared the way for Turkey to conquer territories previously controlled by the US and allied Kurdish militias. It also gave Russia a golden opportunity to expand its influence and swiftly take over abandoned US outposts and checkpoints. Trump's move was a boon for Putin. 

 

Trump repeated Kremlin talking points on ISIS

 

After announcing the Syria withdrawal, Trump repeated Kremlin talking points about ISIS. He said, "Russia hates ISIS as much as the United States does" and that they are equal partners in the fight. But Trump's comments don't reflect the reality on the ground: Since intervening in Syria in 2015, the Russian military has focused its airstrikes on anti-government rebels, not ISIS.
 

Trump spread Russian myths about Ukraine

 

During his impeachment proceedings in 2019 and early 2020, Trump said many false things about Ukraine that align with Russian disinformation about the country. This includes claims of uncontrollable corruption, improper ties between Ukrainian officials and the Obama administration, and allegations that Ukraine meddled in US elections. This helps Putin's goal of destabilizing US-Ukraine relations. 

 

Trump temporarily froze US aid for Ukraine

 

As the impeachment inquiry revealed, Trump personally froze $391 million in US military and security assistance for Ukraine in mid-2019. US diplomats said Ukraine desperately needed the help for its war against Russian proxies. Previously, the Trump administration had slow-walked sales of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine because of concerns it would upset Russia, according to a State Department official. 

 

Trump smeared US ambassador to Ukraine

 

For more than a year, Trump privately and publicly attacked Marie Yovanovitch, who was the US ambassador to Ukraine until he recalled her in spring 2019. One of Russia's goals is to weaken the US-Ukraine alliance -- Trump played into that by smearing Yovanovitch and undermining her diplomatic work in Ukraine. Her ouster was a major part of Trump's impeachment. 

 

Trump considered visiting Putin on Russian soil

 

Trump said in November 2019 that he was thinking about visiting Russia, at Putin's invitation, to attend a 2020 military parade in Moscow. The US government has repeatedly called out Russia's aggressive moves around the world, so a visit from a sitting US president would be highly unusual. Obama made the last visit in 2013, when relations were warmer, before Russia invaded Ukraine. After months of speculation, Trump declined the invitation, as the Covid-19 pandemic wreaked havoc around the world. 

 

Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid-19

 

As the coronavirus pandemic exploded in spring 2020, the US accepted a large delivery of medical supplies from Russia, which were flown into New York City. Trump thanked Putin for the "very nice offer," even while diplomats sparred over whether the equipment had been donated or purchased. Regardless, experts said the stunt was a propaganda bonanza for the Kremlin. 

 

Trump invited Russia to 2020 G7 summit 

 

Trump announced in May 2020 that he was postponing the US-based G7 summit because of the coronavirus and that he also wanted to extend invitations to Russia and three other countries to participate. Other G7 leaders swiftly rejected Trump's idea to invite Putin, because Russia still hasn't withdrawn from Crimea and has continued its aggressive actions around the world.
 

 

Trump directed CIA to share intel with Russia

Trump directed the Central Intelligence Agency to share more counterterrorism intelligence with Russia, according to the national security website Just Security, which cited two former CIA officials who had served under Trump. The officials said the US received nothing in return, which is consistent with past intelligence-sharing with Russia. 

Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties

The President was repeatedly told during in-person briefings and in written intelligence reports in 2019 and 2020 that the US government believed Russia paid bounties to Afghan militants to kill Americans, according to CNN and otheroutlets. Despite being given this information, Trump did not publicly condemn Russia or take any retaliatory actions. Trump has denied receiving any briefings on the topic. 

Trump called Russian bounty story a 'hoax'

Rejecting the findings from US intelligence agencies, Trump said allegations that Russia paid Taliban militants to kill US troops were "another hoax" that was "made up by fake news." By saying he doesn't believe the allegations against Russia, Trump publicly sided with the Kremlin, which denies paying any bounties. 

Trump never raised Russian bounties with Putin

After Trump was briefed on the Russian bounties, and after the story was revealed by the press, he had several phone calls with Putin. But Trump never raised the topic of bounties with Putin during these calls, never told Putin to stop and never threatened any retaliation. "That's an issue that many people said was fake news. ... I have never discussed it with him," Trump said in a July 2020 interview with Axios.

Trump ordered US troops out of Germany 

 

In June 2020, Trump approved plans to significantly reduce the number of US troops in Germany. The plan to remove about one-third of the force drew serious concerns from the Pentagon because it could compromise Europe-based defenses against Russia. In a letter to Trump, nearly two dozen Republican lawmakers said his decision would "strengthen the position of Russia to our detriment."
 

 

[BeaverFever]

April 12, 2014

Trump tells Fox Business’ Eric Bolling that Putin was nice to him during Miss Universe.

“We just left Moscow,” Trump said. “He could not have been nicer. He was so nice and so everything. But you have to give him credit that what he’s doing for that country in terms of their world prestige is very strong.”

In the same interview, Trump praises Putin’s invasion of Crimea.

“Well, he’s done an amazing job of taking the mantle,” Trump said. “And he’s taken it away from the President, and you look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, OK, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’ And he really goes step by step by step, and you have to give him a lot of credit.”

 

April 12, 2014

Trump says at a New Hampshire event that Putin is “absolutely having a great time.” He says “Russia is like, I mean they’re really hot stuff” and “and now you have people in the Ukraine — who knows, set up or not — but it can’t all be set up, I mean they’re marching in favor of joining Russia.”
 

Dec. 16, 2014

Trump tells Fox News host Neil Cavuto that Putin is like a “wounded animal” due to the Obama administration’s actions against Russia.

“We’ve hurt Russia and we’ve done certain things that have really hurt Russia,” he said. “And I don’t know is that a good thing or is that a bad thing? We’ll see what happens.”

He added that Putin is “wounded” and that “wounded people and wounded animals can do lots of strange things and we’d better be a little bit careful.”

 

March 18, 2015

Trump tells the Daily Mail about his relationship with Putin: “the relationship is great, and it would be great if I had the position I should have.”

Trump also said he received “a gift from Putin – an award and a beautiful letter.” He does not confirm or deny meeting with Putin when asked.

 

June 16, 2015

Trump makes similar comments to Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly.

“I was over in Moscow two years ago and I will tell you – you can get along with those people and get along with them well. You can make deals with those people. Obama can’t.”
 

July 8, 2015

Trump tells CNN’s Anderson Cooper that if he becomes president, Putin would turn over Edward Snowden to the US.

“I think I get along with him fine,” Trump said of the Russian president. “I think he would be absolutely fine. He would never keep somebody like Snowden in Russia. He hates Obama. He doesn't respect Obama. Obama doesn't like him either. But he has no respect for Obama. Has a hatred for Obama. And Snowden is living the life. Look if that -- if I'm president, Putin says, hey, boom, you're gone. I guarantee you this.”
 

In order to keep the above list from running dozens of pages I’ve skipped over all the dozens times Trump bragged that Putin admires him, or the time he said things like “Putin and I get along Putin and Obama hate each other” or “Putin likes me”. 

[WestCanMan]

20 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Obama went after the only thing Putin nd his cronies care about- their own personal bank accounts. He locked up billions of their personal assets and it drove them insane. 

Then Putin placed his Manchurian candidate Trump, who publicly stated that he wanted to givethe money back and be friends with Putin. Trumps presidential career is full of flattering comments about Putin and Russia and pledges to move closer to Moscow and literally trie to give Russia everything it asked for.  That’s literally the opposite of standing up to Putin.   Why would Putin do anything other than make things eay for Trump his little puppet bitch?

 

Here is a partial list of of Trumps pro-Putin efforts:

Trump has repeatedly praised Putin

 

While he was a private citizen, during his 2016 campaign and throughout his presidency, Trump has showered Putin with praise. He said Putin was "so nice," he called Putin a "strong leader" and said Putin has done "a really great job outsmarting our country." Trump also claimed he'd "get along very well" with Putin. Few, if any, Western leaders have echoed these comments.

 

Trump hired Manafort to run his campaign 

 

Trump raised eyebrows in spring 2016 when he hired GOP operative Paul Manafort to run his presidential campaign. Manafort spent a decade working for pro-Russian politicians and parties in Ukraine and cultivated close relationships with Putin-friendly oligarchs. Manafort was sentenced in 2019 to 7.5 years prison for, among other things, evading taxes on the $60 million he had made in Ukraine. (He was released to house arrest in May 2020 amid coronavirus concerns.) 

 

Trump suggested Russia can keep Crimea 

 

Trump said Putin did "an amazing job of taking the mantle" when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump broke with US policy and suggested he was OK if Russia kept the Ukrainian territory. He repeated a Kremlin talking point, saying, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."

 

Trump aides softened GOP platform on Ukraine

 

Ahead of the 2016 Republican National Convention, Trump campaign aides blocked language from the party platform that called for the US government to send lethal weapons to Ukraine for its war against Russian proxies. Mueller investigated this for potential collusion but determined the change was not made "at the behest" of Russia. (The Trump administration ultimately gave lethal arms and anti-tank weapons to the Ukrainian military.)

 

Trump made light of Russian hacking

Trump cast doubt on the US government assessment that Russia hacked the Democratic National Committee and Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman. At a news conference in July 2016, he even asked Russia to hack more, saying, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,"

 

Trump transition undermined Russian sanctions 

 

After the 2016 election, the Trump transition team asked Russia not to retaliate too strongly against new US sanctions imposed by then-President Barack Obama. The sanctions were intended to punish Russia for interfering in the election, but then-Trump aide Michael Flynn asked the Russian ambassador not to escalate the situation so they could have a good relationship once Trump took over. 

 

Trump was open to lifting Russian sanctions

 

Days before his inauguration, Trump told The Wall Street Journal that he was open to lifting sanctions on Russia. He said: "If you get along and if Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?" Putin has tried for years to persuade the US and European countries to end crippling sanctions on Russia's economy. 

 

Trump refused to say Putin is a killer

 

Bucking other US leaders, Trump has dismissed credible allegations that Putin uses violence against his opponents. Trump said in 2015, "I think it would be despicable if that took place, but I haven't seen any evidence that he killed anybody, in terms of reporters." Asked again in February 2017, Trump deflected, saying, "There are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"

 

Trump mulled returning spy bases to Russia

 

The Washington Post reported in May 2017 that the Trump administration considered returning two diplomatic compounds to Russia. The Obama administration expelled Russian diplomats and seized the compounds in New York and Maryland after the 2016 election, claiming they were used for "intelligence" purposes. The compounds were never returned to Russia.

 

Trump gave Russia classified intelligence 

 

In a shocking move during the early months of his presidency, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with two senior Russian officials during an Oval Office meeting in May 2017. The intelligence, which was about ISIS, was sensitive enough that it could have exposed a vulnerable source. The unplanned disclosure by Trump rattled even many of his Republican allies.

 

Trump criticized and alienated NATO allies

 

Trump has repeatedly attacked NATO, aligning himself with Putin, who wants to weaken the alliance. Trump said NATO was "obsolete," rattling European leaders. At his first NATO summit in May 2017, Trump scolded other countries for not spending enough on defense and declined to commit to NATO's mutual defense pledge. (Trump later said he supported the mutual defense provision.) He has also said he wanted to withdraw from NATO, according to The New York Times, though it hasn't happened. 

 

Trump was reluctant to sign Russian sanctions

 

Lawmakers passed a bipartisan bill in July 2017 imposing new sanctions against Russia, even though Trump administration officials reportedly tried to water down the language. Trump reluctantly signed the bill, but claimed the new law contained "clearly unconstitutional provisions." Trump had little choice in the matter because the bill had passed with veto-proof majorities: 419-3 in the House and 98-2 in the Senate. (The Treasury Department followed up with several rounds of hard-hitting sanctions.) 

 

Trump proposed a cyber unit with Russia

 

After the July 2017 meeting of G20 leaders, Trump said he had spoken with Putin about "forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit" to combat "election hacking." Trump quickly backtracked after lawmakers from both parties said it would be ridiculous to work with Russia on cybersecurity because Russia was responsible for egregious hacks against American targets, including during the 2016 election.

 

Trump thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats

 

Trump thanked Putin for expelling hundreds of US diplomats from Russia in August 2017, saying, "I want to thank him because we're trying to cut down our payroll." Putin kicked out the officials to retaliate against US sanctions. Trump's comments conflicted with the State Department, which said the mass expulsion was "uncalled for." (Trump later said he was being sarcastic.)

 

Trump eased sanctions on Deripaska

 

The Treasury Department in 2018 sanctioned Russian oligarch and Putin ally Oleg Deripaska, along with three companies linked to him, over his support for Russian interference in the 2016 election. But by January 2019, the Trump administration lifted some of these sanctions. In a bipartisan rebuke, 11 Senate Republicans supported a Democratic resolution calling for the sanctions to remain.

 

Trump congratulated Putin on his sham election 

 

Ignoring the advice of several top national security aides, Trump congratulated Putin on his March 2018 reelection victory. Putin got 77% of the vote, but Western observers declared that the election "lacked genuine competition" and took place in an "overly controlled legal and political environment." Trump's critics said he had given the election legitimacy it did not deserve. 

 

Trump balked at sanctions for Skripal poisoning

 

Trump privately complained about US sanctions intended to punish Russia after one of its ex-spies was poisoned in the United Kingdom, according to Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton. The US and UK blamed Russia for trying to assassinate the defector, Sergei Skripal. After the sanctions were announced in August 2018, Trump tried to rescind them and said the US was "being too tough on Putin," according to Bolton's memoir. 

 

Trump nixed US statement about Russian war

 

In summer 2018, Trump blocked his administration from releasing a statement on the 10th anniversary of the Russia-Georgia war, according to Bolton's memoir. Bolton said European leaders noticed Trump's silence and "became even more concerned about American resolve." Russia invaded its neighbor Georgia during the five-day war in 2008, and still occupies two breakaway territories.
 

Trump praised pro-Russian leaders in Europe 

 

On several occasions, Trump has praised controversial far-right European leaders who have been shunned by most US officials because of their close ties to Putin. Trump met at the White House with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, a top Kremlin ally. He praised the campaign of French politician Marine Le Pen, whose party previously got millions from a Russian bank. 

 

Trump didn't publicly condemn Russian attack 

 

According to congressional testimony, Trump declined to publicly condemn a Russian attack against Ukrainian military vessels in November 2018, even though the State Department prepared a statement for him. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo criticized Russia's "dangerous escalation." The White House didn't say anything, but Trump canceled a meeting with Putin.

 

Trump defended Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

 

During a January 2019 Cabinet meeting, Trump defended the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. He said the Soviet Union "was right" to invade in 1979 because "terrorists were going into Russia." The comments puzzled many observers, who noted that the Soviets had invaded to bolster a communist government and the US had backed Afghan militants who fought the Soviets.

 

Trump asked allies to let Russia back in the G7

 

Breaking with American allies, Trump repeatedly called for Russia to be invited back into the Group of Seven. Russia was suspended from the working group of leading industrial nations in 2014 after Putin annexed Crimea. At the August 2019 G7 summit in France, Trump pressed the other leaders to include Russia at the 2020 gathering. They balked at the request, which would have handed a huge victory to Putin without any concessions.

 

Trump's Syria withdrawal gave Putin a boost

 

Trump announced in October 2019 that US troops were withdrawing from northern Syria. The abrupt move cleared the way for Turkey to conquer territories previously controlled by the US and allied Kurdish militias. It also gave Russia a golden opportunity to expand its influence and swiftly take over abandoned US outposts and checkpoints. Trump's move was a boon for Putin. 

 

Trump repeated Kremlin talking points on ISIS

 

After announcing the Syria withdrawal, Trump repeated Kremlin talking points about ISIS. He said, "Russia hates ISIS as much as the United States does" and that they are equal partners in the fight. But Trump's comments don't reflect the reality on the ground: Since intervening in Syria in 2015, the Russian military has focused its airstrikes on anti-government rebels, not ISIS.
 

Trump spread Russian myths about Ukraine

 

During his impeachment proceedings in 2019 and early 2020, Trump said many false things about Ukraine that align with Russian disinformation about the country. This includes claims of uncontrollable corruption, improper ties between Ukrainian officials and the Obama administration, and allegations that Ukraine meddled in US elections. This helps Putin's goal of destabilizing US-Ukraine relations. 

 

Trump temporarily froze US aid for Ukraine

 

As the impeachment inquiry revealed, Trump personally froze $391 million in US military and security assistance for Ukraine in mid-2019. US diplomats said Ukraine desperately needed the help for its war against Russian proxies. Previously, the Trump administration had slow-walked sales of anti-tank missiles to Ukraine because of concerns it would upset Russia, according to a State Department official. 

 

Trump smeared US ambassador to Ukraine

 

For more than a year, Trump privately and publicly attacked Marie Yovanovitch, who was the US ambassador to Ukraine until he recalled her in spring 2019. One of Russia's goals is to weaken the US-Ukraine alliance -- Trump played into that by smearing Yovanovitch and undermining her diplomatic work in Ukraine. Her ouster was a major part of Trump's impeachment. 

 

Trump considered visiting Putin on Russian soil

 

Trump said in November 2019 that he was thinking about visiting Russia, at Putin's invitation, to attend a 2020 military parade in Moscow. The US government has repeatedly called out Russia's aggressive moves around the world, so a visit from a sitting US president would be highly unusual. Obama made the last visit in 2013, when relations were warmer, before Russia invaded Ukraine. After months of speculation, Trump declined the invitation, as the Covid-19 pandemic wreaked havoc around the world. 

 

Trump gave Putin a PR victory on Covid-19

 

As the coronavirus pandemic exploded in spring 2020, the US accepted a large delivery of medical supplies from Russia, which were flown into New York City. Trump thanked Putin for the "very nice offer," even while diplomats sparred over whether the equipment had been donated or purchased. Regardless, experts said the stunt was a propaganda bonanza for the Kremlin. 

 

Trump invited Russia to 2020 G7 summit 

 

Trump announced in May 2020 that he was postponing the US-based G7 summit because of the coronavirus and that he also wanted to extend invitations to Russia and three other countries to participate. Other G7 leaders swiftly rejected Trump's idea to invite Putin, because Russia still hasn't withdrawn from Crimea and has continued its aggressive actions around the world.
 

 

Trump directed CIA to share intel with Russia

Trump directed the Central Intelligence Agency to share more counterterrorism intelligence with Russia, according to the national security website Just Security, which cited two former CIA officials who had served under Trump. The officials said the US received nothing in return, which is consistent with past intelligence-sharing with Russia. 

Trump ignored warnings of Russian bounties

The President was repeatedly told during in-person briefings and in written intelligence reports in 2019 and 2020 that the US government believed Russia paid bounties to Afghan militants to kill Americans, according to CNN and otheroutlets. Despite being given this information, Trump did not publicly condemn Russia or take any retaliatory actions. Trump has denied receiving any briefings on the topic. 

Trump called Russian bounty story a 'hoax'

Rejecting the findings from US intelligence agencies, Trump said allegations that Russia paid Taliban militants to kill US troops were "another hoax" that was "made up by fake news." By saying he doesn't believe the allegations against Russia, Trump publicly sided with the Kremlin, which denies paying any bounties. 

Trump never raised Russian bounties with Putin

After Trump was briefed on the Russian bounties, and after the story was revealed by the press, he had several phone calls with Putin. But Trump never raised the topic of bounties with Putin during these calls, never told Putin to stop and never threatened any retaliation. "That's an issue that many people said was fake news. ... I have never discussed it with him," Trump said in a July 2020 interview with Axios.

Trump ordered US troops out of Germany 

 

In June 2020, Trump approved plans to significantly reduce the number of US troops in Germany. The plan to remove about one-third of the force drew serious concerns from the Pentagon because it could compromise Europe-based defenses against Russia. In a letter to Trump, nearly two dozen Republican lawmakers said his decision would "strengthen the position of Russia to our detriment."
 

 

Wow, you sure wasted a lot of time posting all of that horseshit. 

Most of those topics are just things that you don't understand, as usual, even when they're as simple as saying nice things about someone so that you can have a relationship with them. Did you forget about Hillary's "RESET" button? Did you forget about Obama on the hot mic saying "I have a lot more freedom to shmooze with Vlad after the election ? "

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Wow, you sure wasted a lot of time posting all of that horseshit. 

Most of those topics are just things that you don't understand, as usual, even when they're as simple as saying nice things about someone so that you can have a relationship with them. Did you forget about Hillary's "RESET" button? Did you forget about Obama on the hot mic saying "I have a lot more freedom to shmooze with Vlad after the election ? "

LMAO TRUMPS ENTIRE RUSSIA POLICY WAS RESET AND SCHMOOZE THE  RUSSIANS

 

Yeah like I said Obama offered the carrot then went for the stick when the Russians invaded Crimea. Meanwhile all Trump wants to do is destroy NATO and let Russia have whatever it wants.  Trump is Putin’s useful idiot and he got played like a fiddle by America’s enemy. Now that Putin’s stooge isn’t in the White House anymore of course he’s going to ramp up hostilities. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

LMAO TRUMPS ENTIRE RUSSIA POLICY WAS RESET AND SCHMOOZE THE  RUSSIANS

 

Yeah like I said Obama offered the carrot then went for the stick when the Russians invaded Crimea. Meanwhile all Trump wants to do is destroy NATO and let Russia have whatever it wants.  Trump is Putin’s useful idiot and he got played like a fiddle by America’s enemy. Now that Putin’s stooge isn’t in the White House anymore of course he’s going to ramp up hostilities. 

You're trying to one-up yourself in the battle of idioter vs ideotist again. Shocker. 

What stick did Obama hit Russia with? LMAO. Russia has Crimea and not so much as a splinter. 

Trump forced NATO members to ante up. It was necessary, and he's not weak. 

Leftists are actually devoted to being the useful idiots of communism, just ask the BLM leader who puts words in your mouth Beave. Are you even allowed to talk about Russia like this? You should ask.  

[ironstone]

On 12/14/2021 at 10:10 PM, BeaverFever said:

LMAO TRUMPS ENTIRE RUSSIA POLICY WAS RESET AND SCHMOOZE THE  RUSSIANS

 

Yeah like I said Obama offered the carrot then went for the stick when the Russians invaded Crimea. Meanwhile all Trump wants to do is destroy NATO and let Russia have whatever it wants.  Trump is Putin’s useful idiot and he got played like a fiddle by America’s enemy. Now that Putin’s stooge isn’t in the White House anymore of course he’s going to ramp up hostilities. 

Trump let Russia have whatever it wanted? Do you have any thoughts on the Nord Stream pipeline?

You assert that "Putin's stooge isn't in the White House anymore of course he's going to ramp up hostilities"

That statement is partly correct. Putin and all the other bad actors  will be more emboldened because the US now has a very weak, inept leader in the oval office. You're actually making that  point nicely when you admit Putin is more aggressive since Trump is no longer in office.

US foreign policy decisions under the current administration may largely depend on Hunter's business dealings.

[BeaverFever]

7 hours ago, ironstone said:

Trump let Russia have whatever it wanted? Do you have any thoughts on the Nord Stream pipeline?

You assert that "Putin's stooge isn't in the White House anymore of course he's going to ramp up hostilities"

That statement is partly correct. Putin and all the other bad actors  will be more emboldened because the US now has a very weak, inept leader in the oval office. You're actually making that  point nicely when you admit Putin is more aggressive since Trump is no longer in office.

US foreign policy decisions under the current administration may largely depend on Hunter's business dealings.

Trump never attacked Ivanka or Don Jr. It’s not because he’s afraid of his daughter it’s because he doesn’t attack his faithful servants.  For that same reason Putin was soft on Trump, his useful idiot. 
 

Nord Stream is just one pet issue in the US because of the US coal and fossil fuel lobby that stands to lose from  it. As far as Putin’s concerned it’ wasn’t important enough to  outweigh the many benefits he reaped  from have his Useful Idiot Trump in tue White House 
 

[Infidel Dog]

 

It's looking like the Russia problem in the Ukraine is another issue current President, Sniffy-McFarty pants can't handle.

Apparently this gets Beave all huffy about Trump. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[WestCanMan]

On 12/16/2021 at 3:53 PM, BeaverFever said:

Putin's

Useful Idiot 
 

I edited your post for clarity. 

Turns out it was more of a signature than anything else. 

[WestCanMan]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:07 PM, Infidel Dog said:

It's looking like the Russia problem in the Ukraine is another issue current President, Sniffy-McFarty pants can't handle.

Biden has been such a complete disaster that he'll have an extremely hard time getting the green light to do anything.

The Afghanistan debacle was bad enough, no one is going to want to be a part of Afghanistan v2.0 playing out against Russia or China. I'd rather just start learning to speak Russian/Chinese.  

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden has been such a complete disaster that he'll have an extremely hard time getting the green light to do anything.

The Afghanistan debacle was bad enough, no one is going to want to be a part of Afghanistan v2.0 playing out against Russia or China. I'd rather just start learning to speak Russian/Chinese.  

Judging by your comments on another thread, apparently all Biden needs to do is send a tweet saying “stay peaceful” and you’ll be in awe of his bold and decisive action, right? ?

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Judging by your comments on another thread, apparently all Biden needs to do is send a tweet saying “stay peaceful” and you’ll be in awe of his bold and decisive action, right? ?

If Chinese tanks were rolling across Asia and Biden said "The best thing that we can do until the next election is roll over" I'd consider that the appropriate action, get it? ?‍♀️

[Phoenix68]

On 12/12/2021 at 9:43 PM, BeaverFever said:

Trump was Putin’s errand boy, whether he knew it or not.

 

On 12/13/2021 at 12:08 AM, WestCanMan said:

Every time that you post it's like you're trying to out-iddjit every other post you ever barfed up.

Fact - when Obama was prez, Putin ate his lunch. Russia took what they wanted.

When Trump was prez Russia didn't advance an inch.

Trump Is Putin’s "Useful Idiot"

September 14, 2020

"Trump’s desire to impress Putin, and to shape American policy in ways that please Putin, has caused many former U.S. intelligence officials, and even some officials who have worked directly for him, to suspect that he has been compromised by Russia.

I ask Vindman the key question: Does he believe that Trump is an asset of Russian intelligence?

“President Trump should be considered to be a useful idiot and a fellow traveler, which makes him an unwitting agent of Putin,” he says. Useful idiot is a term commonly used to describe dupes of authoritarian regimes; fellow traveler, in Vindman’s description, is a person who shares Putin’s loathing for democratic norms."

[Nationalist]

On 12/8/2021 at 6:59 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Tucker told us it's ok tho....  "Tucker Carlson has completed his metamorphosis from Republican crank to RT host."

Of course, the guy who ran foreign policy for 4 years is absolutely excused right ?  He fixed North Korea right ?  And Iran ?  

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Now - to be fair, I can't write that without also acknowledging that Obama handed Trump a few of his own messes such as Syria.  So nice to be Canadian when foreign policy is as easy as supporting our biggest ally's symbolic boycott of the olympics in China.... uh.... uh.... uh....

 

?

 

Have a great conspiracy day sir...

ROFLMAO!

One of these days, someone has to write a book about how the Tweenkie mind can warp and deny facts.

"That's not dog shit! Its and old Oh Henry bar."

Thimply Hilariouth.

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, Phoenix68 said:

 

Trump Is Putin’s "Useful Idiot"

September 14, 2020

"Trump’s desire to impress Putin, and to shape American policy in ways that please Putin, has caused many former U.S. intelligence officials, and even some officials who have worked directly for him, to suspect that he has been compromised by Russia.

I ask Vindman the key question: Does he believe that Trump is an asset of Russian intelligence?

“President Trump should be considered to be a useful idiot and a fellow traveler, which makes him an unwitting agent of Putin,” he says. Useful idiot is a term commonly used to describe dupes of authoritarian regimes; fellow traveler, in Vindman’s description, is a person who shares Putin’s loathing for democratic norms."

Bah ha ha ha ha...Vindman...Bah ha ha ha ha...

[Nationalist]

On 12/20/2021 at 2:03 PM, WestCanMan said:

Biden has been such a complete disaster that he'll have an extremely hard time getting the green light to do anything.

The Afghanistan debacle was bad enough, no one is going to want to be a part of Afghanistan v2.0 playing out against Russia or China. I'd rather just start learning to speak Russian/Chinese.  

Well...the Germans are.

DA!