Omicron variant in Canada.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Vaccines are 90% effective on original virus which means there will be breakthrough cases, however, I have discovered now that on THIS new variant it may be far less effective because both these travelers were obviously fully fully vaccinated. This is one of the unknowns as how effective is our vaccines on this variant and nobody yet knows the answer to that.

They might be less effective in fighting Omicron.  Who cares?  It will be accounted for in the spring boosters.  It doesn’t matter.  Implement all the radical paranoid systems you like with the false notion that you can eliminate the virus.  Take people’s jobs and status who don’t get vaccinated, make everyone show proof of vaccination to enjoy basic freedoms, and make them continue to get vaccinated, wear masks, and obey restrictions.  It won’t change outcomes much for viral prevalence at this point, though it will stomp on human freedom.

Better treatments are coming, Covid hospitalizations are low, most of the vulnerable population is vaccinated, and all of the vulnerable have access to the vaccine.  That’s it now.  End all restrictions and mandates immediately.  Take your fascist ideology elsewhere.  

Edited November 29, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

OK, so how come you came up with this:

You have to take a deep breath, maybe even have a drink, then think for a while before hitting that "post" button.

The anti vaxers harassing medical professionals and patients, demonstrating, protesting, blocking roads and much more in the name of their freedom or rights to have been violated  The leftists crying out racism as soon as something exclusively for African nations or Muslims or Chinese is brought in. 

If the whole population was vaccinated there would have been no mutation. All scientists are saying that vaccines will be still effective on this new variant but maybe not as much as 90% on original virus.

Edited November 29, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Winston]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The anti vaxers harassing medical professionals and patients, demonstrating, protesting, blocking roads and much more in the name of their freedom or rights to have been violated  The leftists crying out racism as soon as something exclusively for African nations or Muslims or Chinese is brought in. 

If the whole population was vaccinated there would have been no mutation. All scientists are saying that vaccines will be still effective on this new variant but maybe not as much as 90% on original virus.

I do not think you can say that with certainty. Since there was breakthrough cases, mutation could have and may have occurred irrelevant of maximum vaccination percentage. In order to state that no mutation would have occurred one would need to prove no mutation would ever occur in a vaccinated individual, I do not think this is the case. Correct me if I am wrong, but if an infection occurs in any vaccinated/unvaccinated person, mutation of the virus can occur. 

"all scientists" is grossly misrepresenting science as a whole. Science is not about scientists or a "consensus", instead it is about quantitative evidence. Instead cite or state quantitative results that would lead to the conclusion that the current vaccine is still effective on the new strain. 

The vaccines still being effective is good news, I am curious how effective is the vaccine against the new strain? 

[myata]

6 hours ago, Winston said:

if an infection occurs in any vaccinated/unvaccinated person, mutation of the virus can occur. 

In replication of the virus in one cell, at least one copy error (or mutation) is made for each copy. There will be astronomical number of mutations in a single infected individual, and of course it's been discovered now that vaccinated can get infected too.

Now the question is, with mass as opposed to selective vaccinations, would mutations be selected based on how well they withstand immunity response induced by the vaccines? If there's a single mutation that happened to avoid the anitbodies just by sheer randomly dumb luck, what would prevent it from spreading like a fire in the vaccinated population?

Edited November 29, 2021 by myata

[Shady]

13 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

As you said limited data means far from conclusive the way you stated it. This damn variant has some 50 mutations. I am not an expert in the field but that doesn't sound good.

Well, you can keep getting two doses of a new vaccine for every new variant for the next 10 years. Or you could just accept the science that covid and it’s mutations are serious for the elderly and the sick.  But not for everybody.  That’s why the average age of a COVID death in Canada is 80+ years old.

[WestCanMan]

The moronic variant sounds really bad, but there's no evidence that it's any worse than any other variant.

[Accountability Now]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The moronic variant sounds really bad, but there's no evidence that it's any worse than any other variant.

The doctor who first reported it actually says it looks really mild compared to other strains however its WAY too early to tell definitively. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/omicron-variant-symptoms-mild-no-hospitalizations-yet-doctor-says-2021-11

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

The doctor who first reported it actually says it looks really mild compared to other strains however its WAY too early to tell definitively. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/omicron-variant-symptoms-mild-no-hospitalizations-yet-doctor-says-2021-11

Omicron sounds pretty ominous, the name alone should be enough to send vax-nazis into a tizzy. 

Edited November 29, 2021 by WestCanMan

[Infidel Dog]

Ben Shapiro makes his voice go all scary whenever he says "OMICRON".

He has some fun opinions on the omicron Xi virus. Basically the possibility of spread isn't frightening. Only increased deaths or hospitalizations might be and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Covid in general no longer deserves the scare factor Politicians and Big Pharma want to give it. That's the real virus right now. The fear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERwe4dc9M3E

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

You know what's even better than Ben Shapiro? Try this one from South Park:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEoBrr9gRA

 

[myata]

No listen I didn't make it up, just heard on the news: "now that we have Omicron, should we change the definition of vaccinated to three or 75 doses?". Really. Is it the definition change because of omicron, or the other way around? Go guess. But then, do we really need conspiracy theories, when we have this reality?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

You know what's even better than Ben Shapiro? Try this one from South Park:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEoBrr9gRA

 

The Delta Plus Rewards Variant!!!!! Lol, I love it. 

[WestCanMan]

Fausti was telling people "get your kids vaccinated" yesterday. God-damned loser. 

I've never seen him give a good reason for it, they just have to do it. 

[QuebecOverCanada]

Who else remembers the apocalyptic British variant narrative pushed by corporate media, big Pharma and corporations at the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021?

[myata]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I've never seen him give a good reason for it

Did prophets ever need reasons? Welcome to the new dawn. With every new variant we'll be returning to new new normal. If you feel sad or blue just put on the mask and take another shot. Can't do any harm, the exsperts know.

Edited November 29, 2021 by myata

[cougar]

14 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If the whole population was vaccinated there would have been no mutation. 

Really?  Who told you that?

Of course the "anti-vaxxers" will be protesting.  They have lost their freedoms.  What exactly did you expect?

 

[WestCanMan]

The release of the news of the Omicron variant seems a lot like the Russian collusion variant.

A bit of info just mystically appears from a far-flung corner of the world and everyone is instantly captivated by it: it's the most important finding of the 21st century.

We can all find out a few yers from now that it was a big nothingburger, but for the time being we all have to bow to this shiny new shiznit! 

"Ooh!"

"Aaah!"

"THIS IS A BIG DEAL! THERE WILL BE TONS OF BODYBAGS ON THE WEEKEND! VACCINATE YOUR GOLDFISH! VACCINATE YOUR CHEESE! MAYBE EVEN YOUR MOTHER IN LAW!"

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If the whole population was vaccinated there would have been no mutation. 

That's not true at all, it's actually a very dangerous lie. 

The vaccine doesn't stop the virus by any measure, so it's not stopping it from mutating either. 

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The anti vaxers harassing medical professionals and patients, demonstrating, protesting, blocking roads and much more in the name of their freedom or rights to have been violated 

There are no "anti-vaxers", there are vax-realists.

 A much bigger problem is the vax-nazis.

[Infidel Dog]

What the vax-nazis want to call "anti-vaxxers" seems to be made up of 3 groups:

The naturally immune, the lovers of liberty, and the pure-bloods. 

Oh...pardon me and then there are all the medical professionals and researchers who have been dealing with all the adverse reactions coming into the hospital or just see the possible dangers ahead from an experimental badly tested drug, or as the jab-nazis like to call it "vaccine."

Edited November 29, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

The vaccine doesn't stop the virus by any measure

Now this is the BIG lie. You discredit yourself by making such statements even further and that goes for your anti-vaxer friends on this board as well.

[WestCanMan]

46 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Now this is the BIG lie. You discredit yourself by making such statements even further and that goes for your anti-vaxer friends on this board as well.

I'll write this really slowly for you, so that you can read it: 

My statement of fact:  

The. "Vaccine." Doesn't. Stop. The. Virus. By. Any. Measure.

Supporting Facts:

1) "Vaccinated." People. Still. Get. Covid. - FACT

2) "Vaccinated." People. Still. End. Up. In. ICU. - FACT

3) "Vaccinated." People. Still. Die. Of. Covid. - FACT

4) "Vaccinated." People. Still. Spread. Covid. - FACT

It doesn't make a lick of difference to me if you can understand that, or what it means, or whether or not you'll acknowledge it in either event, but you definitely can't dispute any of those supporting facts, and they leave no wiggle room for your statement to be even partially true. Ergo, your statement is absolutely A LIE. 

 

You done bein' skooled now son? 

[Infidel Dog]

Yeah it's a real simple question. If the vaccine works why hasn't it been...working, I mean?

More Vaccines, More Covid: Why are Case Rates Exploding in Areas with High Levels of Vaccination?

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

 

My statement of fact:  

The. "Vaccine." Doesn't. Stop. The. Virus. By. Any. Measure.

Your statement is false not fact. Vaccines STOP the virus in infecting 90% of people (efficacy of 90%). 

Edited November 30, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

Just now, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Your statement is false not fact. Vaccines STOP the virus in infecting 90% of people (efficacy of 90%).  And in those it fails to stop infection in great majority STOP the virus from making them seriously ill or cause their death.