Ontario needs to invest in EVs as a realistic Option.

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

What's your point? Am not saying the technology isn't there

That's true, you didn't, but honestly the tech isn't there. Getting closer, but not a single one of these 'test projects' has resulted in full scale adoption for replacement even as the current fleet ages.  It's just not there yet.  Someday - POSSIBLY even in the not too distant future.

But right now most of them would have to be powered by electricity produced by fossil fuels.  There's still a savings in most areas - but it's small.  Places like quebrec and bc it makes more sense environmentally but you're just not getting much bang for your buck elsewhere.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I know! Why don't you sign yet another climate commitment! That'll fix everything!

Indeed it will in little herbie's mind. He will sleep better by the virtue signalling. Then he like all the other liberals can polish his halo.  

[OftenWrong]

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Places like quebrec and bc it makes more sense environmentally but you're just not getting much bang for your buck elsewhere.

It may produce a very small reduction in carbon doing that. Not even a drop in the bucket, in grand scheme of things.

For that the consumer carries the brunt of the financial burden.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

It may produce a very small reduction in carbon doing that. Not even a drop in the bucket, in grand scheme of things.

For that the consumer carries the brunt of the financial burden.

And therein lies the problem -  it consumes all the available resources that could go for climate change in the form of a tax which the gov't keeps (any pretense of it being 'revenue neutral has gone out the window now) and does nothing - so even if someone else comes along with a good idea there will be zero money for it and zero public support for anything that might require adaption

I mean - if we really cared we'd have a tax and every penny of it would be going to outfit the hydro-lite provinces with nuclear and to run power lines from the places that do have hydro to spare.

We would also be investing billions into adaptation.

And we'd be spending billions on the best and most promising tech development and setting clear goals and priorities for tech.

that would be leadership.  But nooooo - we do nothing and the gov't pockets the revenue to spend on buying votes and virtue signalling while nothing changes.

[Perspektiv]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's true, you didn't, but honestly the tech isn't there.

Well for trucks, a catenary overhead system would allow the distance and weight management that these industries require for profitability.

Point I was making is there is technology there, but if one is thinking logically and pragmatic, there is nothing there yet to fix the massive fuel consumption in the industries I mentioned.

You can't knee jerk such change without unintended consequences.

Cars at 1000kms are the most realistic options that are soon to come.

But even with cars. I was in China and they have some of the best EV cars on the market along with some of the best technology. 

But not only is our issue environmental but also political.

If environmental solutions are focused on, I could see solutions and not just political virtue signaling and taxes brought to us via fear mongering.

 

[OftenWrong]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And therein lies the problem -  it consumes all the available resources that could go for climate change in the form of a tax which the gov't keeps (any pretense of it being 'revenue neutral has gone out the window now) and does nothing - so even if someone else comes along with a good idea there will be zero money for it and zero public support for anything that might require adaption

I mean - if we really cared we'd have a tax and every penny of it would be going to outfit the hydro-lite provinces with nuclear and to run power lines from the places that do have hydro to spare.

We would also be investing billions into adaptation.

And we'd be spending billions on the best and most promising tech development and setting clear goals and priorities for tech.

that would be leadership.  But nooooo - we do nothing and the gov't pockets the revenue to spend on buying votes and virtue signalling while nothing changes.

Yes but it's all good, as long as it helps the climate virtue signallers sleep well at night.

I'm talking about the ones who have a sign on their forehead,

says do not disturve

 

[herbie]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That's the problem with the truth - it's boringly routine and just never changes. 

No, buddy, that's the problem with repeating cliche and sound bytes so often people actually believe it's 'truth'.

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Cities for the most part  won't have the budgets to electrify their entire fleets overnight.

Like I seem to have to repeat over and over, it isn't being done overnight. But it is rapidly happening regardless if you like it or not.

And the entire rest of your reply is once again the same thing. But now you want to abandon recycling too. just because it's not easy and convenient? Like WTF does your retirement portfolio consist of only oil and plastics stock?

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

But it is rapidly happening regardless if you like it or not.

I never said I didn't like it. I love EVs, or rather the idea of them. I just don't see the viability across the board, now, and even less globally.

It's a long way to saying EVs are the dominant vehicle in all segments, the world over.

1 hour ago, herbie said:

But now you want to abandon recycling

I want to abandon the virtue signaling about it. Also the being real about it. Plastic waste recycling is a myth. You thinking otherwise is you not knowing the facts. Am all behind waste reduction policies.

This is down to raw sewage, which also pollutes immensely the water sources around us.

I don't virtue signal. This is what separates us.

Am 100% a cleaner tomorrow. I just don't talk down those who don't buy in. I would rather invest in companies that understand that this is the future.

1 hour ago, herbie said:

WTF does your retirement portfolio consist of only oil and plastics stock?

No, I understand after heavy research  the types of companies that will explode in popularity in a short period of time. All of them are insanely green.

Current battery technologies are dirty, but a few corporations are about to change that. These technologies will also fix what is wrong with batteries. We aren't close to this. Once this is fixed, charging speeds will be 5 minutes or less, overheating won't be a problem, and more importantly, sourcing raw materials won't have such an immense environmental impact. Liquid state batteries aren't the future. Certainly not for aircraft or trucks.

Like I said. You talk condescendingly but don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Yes but it's all good, as long as it helps the climate virtue signallers sleep well at night.

Their air conditioners, mostly powered by fossil fuel burning power plants, let them sleep at night

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I'm talking about the ones who have a sign on their forehead,

says do not disturve

 

LOL

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

No, buddy, that's the problem with repeating cliche and sound bytes so often people actually believe it's 'truth'.

Except no one did.  Sorry.  And sane people know that. 

But hey - speaking of cliche's, way to really fight the stereotype that the left wouldn't know the truth if they tripped over it   LOLOLOL

 

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Like I seem to have to repeat over and over, it isn't being done overnight. But it is rapidly happening regardless if you like it or not.

No it isn't.  Show me the comprehensive national plan to replace the existing infrastructure, produce enough vehicles and transition the country from  fossil fuels over time. There isn't one.  At best we have the liberals plan of 'tax it till they can't afford it and hopefully they'll figure something out".

OR how about a provincial one? Nope? None of them? Hmmmm

It's not happening.  Whats' happening is a bunch of uncoordinated virtue signalling that really achieves nothing.

Hopefully one day it WILL happen.  But probably not while there's a liberal gov't, based on their last 35 years.

[herbie]

Give up the virtue signalling whine and people might listen. If I didn't have to tell my employees both young and old over and over again to rinse their pop cans and put them in the recycle bin, not the goddam garbage, then it would be time to ease off with the recycling message.

You know how many times I had to shout "It's not about the effing dime" at people?
Add this to your bank of knowledge - you know by far the largest employer in this part of BC? The aluminum smelter! You know where the ore comes from? Bauxite is Cuba's biggest export. Think about it every time you toss a can away, you're supporting Communists. Maybe that will help get the uber-right on track.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, herbie said:

Give up the virtue signalling whine and people might listen.

ROFLMAO - that is literally the message the left is being told time and time again  

ALL you do is virtue signal. Propose something that makes an actual difference or a clear and fair plan and maybe we can talk

BUt you won't - so eventually people will get so sick of it that they'll elect someone willing to scrap it all and focus on other things. And the left will be crying and weeping saying "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?!!?!?"

Flip back here when that happens and re-read the thread for your answer

[herbie]

Well as soon as you realize that Joe Average isn't all that smart and average means 50% are even dumber you can see why it's that way.

Duhhh Mr Trump says glass windows break too easy so he'll help us smash windows duhh

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

If I didn't have to tell my employees both young and old over and over again to rinse their pop cans and put them in the recycle bin, not the goddam garbage, then it would be time to ease off with the recycling message.

Most people who constantly get nagged, will often do the opposite, out of spite.

If I had a boss constantly nagging me about throwing cans in the recycling, I'd start drinking out of cans daily, and throwing them in the trash, without rinsing them--even though I recycle diligently at home. I did that very thing with a vegan co-worker complaining about me eating bacon. I'd eat bacon daily for weeks.

I tend to love employees with a rebellious spirit, as if that nature is properly harnessed, they will be the outside the box thinkers. Crazy what a person can do, when they know you believe in them.

Nagging staff isn't how you'll get stuff done.

Either you hire yes men who do as they're told, or are able to hire and grow leaders, who can stand on their own.

I take more pride in knowing I've grown tons of employees from nothing. Maybe that's just me. And for the record, my staff recycle without being asked, but what do I know.

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Think about it every time you toss a can away, you're supporting Communists.

I pay heavy every time I fuel my car up, because I support a communist right here in Canada!

Its insanely sad that you think guilt tripping people (especially grown adults), will get them looking in the mirror, and accepting that they're pieces of s*** and will comply with your message O_o

Mind you, Joe Biden got black people to vote for him, by boldly claiming that if they didn't vote for him, that they weren't black, so you're likely onto something.

Carry on.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Well as soon as you realize that Joe Average isn't all that smart and average means 50% are even dumber you can see why it's that way.

Duhhh Mr Trump says glass windows break too easy so he'll help us smash windows duhh

OK Joe

[herbie]

Sure enough, Cletus

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

Sure enough, Cletus

Now now Joe -  you know darn well I'm not Cletus.  Cletus is your father/brother.  Your Mom/Aunt has explained this to you.

And we do appreciate everything you and the other "lower 50" iq people do to keep the rest of us above average  

[herbie]

That describes you to a tee.

Are you ever going to come up with anything that's an unsolvable problem standing in the way? Obviously not, you haven't even opened your eyes to what's going on around you. It's not right there right effing now so it doesn't exist and therefore stupid to think about, eh?

Well there are some of us that can fix things, and most of us that can't or won't. I've made my living as part of the former. Happy to carry on with that.

Edited July 4 by herbie

[Perspektiv]

42 minutes ago, herbie said:

Obviously not, you haven't even opened your eyes to what's going on around you.

Most people are highly aware, but life has this way of getting in the way of being angry about everything all the time.

If you think scolding employees to recycle at work, will change their behaviors outside of work, you're precisely why woke policies don't work.

Its anchored on shaming other, virtue signaling, but when looking at actual data, little to none actually gets done.

I mentioned plastic recycling. A big fuss is made about it in consumer hands, yet most manufacturers continue to package product with it. 

We continue dumping most of it in landfills.

Its virtue signaling.

How about fixing the flawed way we produce waste, than shaming people for not meeting your standards of disposal?

You're otherwise scolding motorists for every infraction, yet parallel park in 50 steps while holding back traffic.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

That describes you to a tee.

 

Wow - so your insults have climbed allllllll the way up to "i know you are but what am I' have they? ROFLMAO

Yeah - Way to amaze people with your stunning intellect    Nobody around HERE will be saying you act like a three year old anymore after that - that was at LEAST 5 year old material

LOLOLOL -  Way to step up  your game and prove you're not in the lower half there Joe  

[Perspektiv]

14 hours ago, herbie said:

Well as soon as you realize that Joe Average isn't all that smart and average means 50% are even dumber you can see why it's that way.

Duhhh Mr Trump says glass windows break too easy so he'll help us smash windows duhh

What the f*** are you talking about? 

[Perspektiv]

7 hours ago, herbie said:

Well there are some of us that can fix things

If nagging colleagues is your idea of fixing things, you don't understand that nagging doesn't drive change.

People tune people out in such settings.

Didn't you watch musicals growing up?

"A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, the medicine go down.." *twirls around with an umbrella*

Which is why Trudeau had to quickly save face, by abruptly stopping covid lock downs and strict policies.

People got sick of his virtue signaling and nagging.

Its also no surprise the generation of kids that grew up in this, are showing a much lower level of empathy.

Your virtue signaling doesn't make me want to buy an EV. It legit makes me want to idle my car for an hour, while I go shopping post shift. 

I don't do this, because it costs me an arm and a leg in fuel, plus I was raised to respect the planet.

So it brings me to this predicament. An up front arm and leg,  for an EV that matched my car's range and reliability, or a small incremental arm and leg in fuel costs that are insane.

Either option has me bending over.

I don't know about you, but most tax payers bending over will want to start small. Less painful. 

[herbie]

17 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You're otherwise scolding motorists for every infraction, yet parallel park in 50 steps while holding back traffic.

No I'm not. Wish some of them could parallel park in only 50 attempts. Most of them think if you turn the steering wheel more than 2 degrees in either direction you'll roll over and explode inflames. The reason for the lines in the parking lot is to cover up as many as you possibly can, maybe win a prize. That the handicap sign is there to line up the hood ornament on your lifted F350 4x4 with so you can park straight.
How you can only dare even approach the speed limit except when there's a passing lane, you'll get a ticket if you don't speed up if someone tries to pass you.

90% can't drive their ICE vehicle as is, moan that it was the 2 cent carbon tax increase that made gas go up 50 cents.

FFS after years of going back to the car cuz I forgot my mask, I've spent the last one going back for the damn grocery bag. And I see by far most people at the checkout with their own re-usable one. Wasn't that difficult to change, was it?

Wanna hear silly? A band up here is pushing a new 'green hysrogen' plant. They're using hydro to crack lake water, but because hydrogen is hydrogen, they plan to convert it first into liquid poisonous ammonia, ship it all the way down to Vancouver where the only hydrogen outlets and overseas shipping is.....why there won't be any CO2 but the brown smog will make you giggle!

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Wasn't that difficult to change, was it?

As we dispose of dog poo, waste and many other things with far thicker garbage bags, creating just as much waste.

They're practical as hell. I use them to sort recycling, to wrap some items pre travel  and definitely use zippered bags far more often, too.

 

[OftenWrong]

Speaking of plastic grocery bags, we always used our as garbage bags. They were just the right size for the container, so it was not a single-use plastic. Now we just buy a box of plastic bags for the trash. We throw out the same amount of plastic bags as we always do.

Most stores do not offer paper bags at the cash, which I would pay for.

 Another government-led initiative for the environment that is useless.