Trudeau is going to lose.

[Shady]

Some new polling.  Not sure if this is a trend or an outlier.  I don’t think anything matters much until the debates.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

But I don't understand HOW Canadians can choose or distinguish between the two (Liberals and Conservatives). They are both singing the same song. O'Toole has moved so much to the left on government spending, deficit, economic recovery (by more spending), as well as other issues that he might as well be the leader of Liberal party. 

What is that they are saying differently?

Edited August 27, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

Some new polling.  Not sure if this is a trend or an outlier.  I don’t think anything matters much until the debates.  

I trust the CTV's ability to steer the debates away from Trudeau's scandals, to make sure that he's never interrupted, he can interrupt whomever he wants, and he can just make accusations instead of answering questions.

The debate will be all about the amazing things that he plans to do for Canadians, and his record will not be up for debate.

[betsy]

6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

But I don't understand HOW Canadians can choose or distinguish between the two (Liberals and Conservatives). They are both singing the same song. O'Toole has moved so much to the left on government spending, deficit, economic recovery (by more spending), as well as other issues that he might as well be the leader of Liberal party. 

What is that they are saying differently?

There is  still a big difference:

Respect for rights of ALL Canadians under O'Toole whereas the only rights that seem to matter to Trudeau is women's right, and whatever else is dear to his heart.   Other's rights are expendable, like the rights of conscience and religion.  The rights to free expressions.  He's also removed our rights to choose by imposing mandatory this and that! 

Trudeau sees himself as a paternalistic leader who knows what's best for each and everyone of us.  That's how dictators all see themselves, to justify what they do.

 

Both may be doing the same multitudes of spendings but O'Toole's plan aren't frivolous.  It is well-thought out and planned....whereas Trudeau's throwing money simply to buy votes!  or, to please friends.  Or, for self-interest. 

As an example of O'Toole's well-thought out plan is his spending for mental health.  Lol - if you guys want to really reduce VIOLENCE, then you ought to support this.    It's not the guns, folks.   It's the person holding the gun.  How many mass-killers have mental issues? 

Transparency and the endless scandal.   Nobody's talking about the Raybould incident anymore - how Trudeau tried to tamper with our justice system.  No one's talking about WE charity.

 

And, the biggest difference between the two should be a no-brainer to anyone who's been in Canada for the last 6 years:

The Liberal Party is run by an obvious incompetent - as seen by the numerous bad decisions he's made.  He's too slow to react to crisis - the last one being Afghanistan!

 

Time for change.  A real, meaningful change.

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by betsy

[betsy]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What is that they are saying differently?

They seem to be saying the same things, but they're not.

Furthermore, we've heard the same things from Trudeau in the previous elections.   He's just all talk.

[betsy]

6 hours ago, Shady said:

Some new polling.  Not sure if this is a trend or an outlier.  I don’t think anything matters much until the debates.  

 

 

If ALL Conservatives - even the ones supporting PPC (I'm glad to see them going up in the polls too), will throw their support on O'Toole at the last minute - CPC will have the majority.

If you guys want to see Trudeau gone - better put your money where your mouth is.   THIS IS OUR BIGGEST CHANCE!

 

We can't deny that Trudeau has had a charismatic grip on the nation.   O'Toole has seem to manage to crack that.  Don't throw away this chance.      It may never come again for such a long time.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by betsy

[betsy]

11 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Trudeau is going to lose> I don't think so. It will be Canadians who will lose no matter who is elected. They are all the same.

 

Lol - so, that must be why O'Toole's going up in the polls!  Liberals must see him thru liberal lenses. ?

O'Toole has managed to grab the centrist position, I think.

if a Liberal feels that way - then he's more likely to want to try a different liberal flavor this time around. ?

Only a Trudeau fan will want to stick to the same bs all over again.

 

Seeing how easily he batted and answered journalists' questions - I'm so interested to see him on debate night. 

 

Me?   I don't have any false illusion that hard times aren't coming - thanks to the deficits ran by Trudeau. 

All I want is to have a different PM to steer us through the difficult times ahead.

Edited August 27, 2021 by betsy

[Yzermandius19]

51 minutes ago, betsy said:

Time for change.  A real, meaningful change.

switching from Erin Trudeau to Justin O'Toole

is not a real change or a meaningful change

he's a liberal who calls himself a conservative, there is no substantive difference between the two, just superficial ones

O'Toole's plan is Trudeau's plan, so the fact that he has a plan, is a negative not a positive

there will be no difference in the way Canada is governed, regardless of the election outcome

O'Toole doesn't give a shit about all Canadians, he just pretends to, to get elected

falling for politicians who feign empathy to win votes, a classic sign of naive wishful thinking

obvious fake opposition is fake, wearing different gang colors and identifying by a different label, that is not change

Edited August 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

what point is there to getting Trudeau out of power

if a Trudeau clone is the only viable replacement?

there is none

voting for the blue liberals doesn't make you any better than those voting for the red liberals

it is pointless virtue signalling

Edited August 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

what point is there to getting Trudeau out of power

if a Trudeau clone is the only viable replacement?

 

What's the point?   Are you kidding?  Do you really have to ask that?   ?  

At least............ we're getting rid of a PM who's been PROVEN to be incompetent!

 

 

If you keep selling the idea  O'Toole is a "clone" of Trudeau - then, either you're just a  paid Trudeau spinner delegated to forums - or, you don't know what you're on about.  Just look at their hair! ?

 

Kidding aside.....

You should listen to what O'Toole has been saying.  That's the only way you'll understand why though he is progressive,  he's not a clone of Trudeau.

 

Edited August 27, 2021 by betsy

[Yzermandius19]

O'Toole is a proven incompetent

don't need him to become PM to see the obvious as clear as day

/shrugs

[Yzermandius19]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

What's the point?   Are you kidding?  Do you really have to ask that?   ?  

At least............ we're getting rid of a PM who's been PROVEN to be incompetent!

 

 

If you keep selling the idea  O'Toole is a "clone" of Trudeau - then, either you're just a  paid Trudeau spinner delegated to forums - or, you don't know what you're on about.  Just look at their hair! ?

 

Kidding aside.....

You should listen to what O'Toole has been saying.  That's the only way you'll understand why though he is progressive,  he's not a clone of Trudeau.

 

they say the same things

the only differences are entirely superficial

the differences you are pointing out, are superficial, you can't even point to a substantive difference, you are proving my point

you're the one who isn't paying attention or if you are

you're so blinded by Trudeau Derangement Syndrome that you cannot see the obvious parallels

Edited August 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[betsy]

Lol - now I believe O'Toole had gone up and is indeed leading.   How do I know that?

CBC has them neck and neck! 

 

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

Lol - now I believe O'Toole had gone up and is indeed leading.   How do I know that?

CBC has them neck and neck! 

nationwide polling is irrelevant

PMs aren't elected via popular vote

[Nefarious Banana]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

O'Toole is a proven incompetent

don't need him to become PM to see the obvious as clear as day

/shrugs

What's your proof of O'Toole's incompetence . . . . . . or are you just chirping again?

[Army Guy]

You can not effect real change from sitting on the opposition side of the house.  who cares what they say trying to get elected, how much of that is really true, or can it survive our reality... Justin kept very little of his promises, and he's been in office for almost 6 years now. He is beginning to see that this may not be the cake walk he thought it was... 

My reality is get in office first, a conservative majority would be a signal from god... really that Canada can reverse some of the rot left behind by the liberals... Nothing is over until the fat lady sings, who would have thought the conservatives even had a chance...So right now i don't care what color they seem to be wearing, go team go ...as long as Justin and his sad sack of friends has to move out ,and look for work else where.. That might even be better than the Leaf's winning the cup...And if O'Toole drops the ball he'll be replaced in 4 years...

[Argus]

17 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

But I don't understand HOW Canadians can choose or distinguish between the two (Liberals and Conservatives). They are both singing the same song. O'Toole has moved so much to the left on government spending, deficit, economic recovery (by more spending), as well as other issues that he might as well be the leader of Liberal party. 

What is that they are saying differently?

Perhaps the main differences are O'Toole seems a lot less shallow, narcissistic, smug and self-serving, and he and his party are a lot less obsessed with identity politics and a lot more likely to be careful about spending us into the poor house.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Argus

[CITIZEN_2015]

20 minutes ago, Argus said:

Perhaps the main differences are O'Toole seems a lot less shallow, narcissistic, smug and self-serving, and he and his party are a lot less obsessed with identity politics and a lot more likely to be careful about spending us into the poor house.

You forgot to mention that O'Toole is opportunist. He moved so much to the center in order to cut into Liberal votes and feed on them that the line between Liberals and Conservative has been so blurred in this election it is hard to see which is which, Not to mention he walked over long standing Conservatives principals .

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What's your proof of O'Toole's incompetence . . . . . . or are you just chirping again?

he caves to the climate doom cult

he caves to the covid doom cult

he caves to the woke

he's an even bigger cuckservative than Scheer

he's running to the left of Trudeau

he's everything wrong with the CPC in a nutshell

the perfect symbol of the party's total capitulation to the Liberal Party of Canada agenda

Blue Liberal City

his entire campaign pitch is we will be the more effective liberals

Edited August 27, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Huckleberry Finn]

On 7/20/2021 at 12:48 PM, RedDog said:

Nope. OntariOWE and PAYbac will flood the trust fund adolescent punk back in.

Pretty well much in Ontario, only the GTA voted Liberal in the last election, they maybe had a handful of seats outside of Toronto, none in the rural areas.

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

he caves to the climate doom cult

he caves to the covid doom cult

he caves to the woke

he's an even bigger cuckservative than Scheer

he's running to the left of Trudeau

he's everything wrong with the CPC in a nutshell

the perfect symbol of the party's total capitulation to the Liberal Party of Canada agenda

Blue Liberal City

his entire campaign pitch is we will be the more effective liberals

Well, I guess the only thing you can do is vote Liberal.  Thanks for the hard evidence you've posted. 

[Shady]

This is starting to get interesting.

[Argus]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You forgot to mention that O'Toole is opportunist. He moved so much to the center in order to cut into Liberal votes and feed on them that the line between Liberals and Conservative has been so blurred in this election it is hard to see which is which, Not to mention he walked over long standing Conservatives principals .

All politicians are opportunistic. he's hardly my dream guy and I've pointed out my issues with him before. But no politician really meets my standards for honesty, integrity and intelligence, nor ever has. I've always voted for the least worse choice available. Right now that's him.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

All politicians are opportunistic. he's hardly my dream guy and I've pointed out my issues with him before. But no politician really meets my standards for honesty, integrity and intelligence, nor ever has. I've always voted for the least worse choice available. Right now that's him.

You should change that by becoming a politician yourself. Most if not all your posts are intelligent, honest and very logical. I know we did have our differences in the past however, I am beginning to realize that in many cases you were more right (correct) than me.

[betsy]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 

My reality is get in office first, a conservative majority would be a signal from god... really that Canada can reverse some of the rot left behind by the liberals... Nothing is over until the fat lady sings, who would have thought the conservatives even had a chance...So right now i don't care what color they seem to be wearing, go team go ...as long as Justin and his sad sack of friends has to move out ,and look for work else where.. That might even be better than the Leaf's winning the cup...And if O'Toole drops the ball he'll be replaced in 4 years...

AMEN TO THAT!!!!

If we want a majority, ALL Conservatives will have to go behind O'Toole on this one.  Which would you rather have again - a centrist government (O'Toole), or a socialist (Trudeau)? Those are the only realistic choice here!

If Trudeau wins, and if he gets his majority - he'll really plunk us down to downright socialism!  NDP will be there to support him!

 

Pro-Trudeau journalists are trying to split the votes between conservatives by insistently bringing up O'Toole's progressiveness.

 

I know there's a problem with his progressiveness that doesn't sit well with traditional conservatives (like me with his being pro-choice as an example).  BUT, we can deal with that later.   

Right now, the main focus is to unseat Trudeau!

Edited August 28, 2021 by betsy