Many defenseless civilians killed in Israeli brutal attacks and Arab retaliations.

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

How ?  Vigilante justice ?  

Thats not what i'm suggesting, and i know your not suggesting they do nothing and just take it on the chin... You think the Jewish people get a fair shake here or treated equally in Canada, that Canadians opinion is favorable when discussing Israel.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Thats not what i'm suggesting, and i know your not suggesting they do nothing and just take it on the chin... You think the Jewish people get a fair shake here or treated equally in Canada, that Canadians opinion is favorable when discussing Israel.  

We have a law here and whoever breaks it, Arab or Jew will be equally punished according to the law.

No but do you think Arabs or muslims are regarded favorably?

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes we got it. Israel is not as bad as Hamas.  Also Ted Bundy didn't murder as many as Hitler did. I guess in your book he is an angel?

No. You did not "get it."

But that's OK. I think I can help.

DogOnPorch found a graphic that I told him would penetrate even the thickest of skulls.

Let's test that theory:

See those kids between Hamas and Israel in the bottom frame? Those are something called "human shields." Hamas puts them there and Iran knows about it. They keep sending Hamas missiles to fire at Israel in spite of it. They're fine with it. 

Israel counter-attacks. They do their best to avoid the human shields. They're not always successful. They're not fine with that. The proof of that is the damage they could be doing if they were fine with it.

Now do you get it?

I get your point. You don't think Israel should counter-attack. They might hit a kid. If they took your advice though there wouldn't be an Israel. Lots of kids in Israel.

And yes I do get it. You're fine with that.

 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Arabs are aggressive but Israelis are no angels either.

Look the Arabs have been historically very violent and aggressive. They invaded their neighbors and captured and imposed their culture. One of its victims was Persian Empire, a strong civilized nation fallen to barbaric Arab invaders simulating today's ISIS. Luckily they were defeated badly in Spain and the world was saved from their invading forces. If they get the chance some elements of them may kill every Israeli civilian and none of us want that. All I am saying is that this forum is one sided in favor of Israelis who are responsible for killing of thousands of innocent defenseless civilians. They are no angels either as thr powerful lobbies in US and Europe have portraited them to be.

It is time for these groups to start talking than fighting and end century long hostilities and end civilian casualties on both sides. As I said at the opening enough with hate already!!.

[Army Guy]

19 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

We have a law here and whoever breaks it, Arab or Jew will be equally punished according to the law.

No but do you think Arabs or muslims are regarded favorably?

Yes the law, which according to many, many groups who say the law is NOT upheld evenly across all race, creed, or religious lines, unless everyone is wrong ? and if they are not would it be possible that our Jewish population is also not being treated the same....we as a nation also have a long outstanding record of upholding treaties or laws in regards to native Americans, metis, Inuit peoples.  

Yes i do think in a lot of parts in the country they are treated more favorably, like higher education institutes, immigration, and many other areas.  

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Arabs are aggressive but Israelis are no angels either.

Look the Arabs have been historically very violent and aggressive. They invaded their neighbors and captured and imposed their culture. One of its victims was Persian Empire, a strong civilized nation fallen to barbaric Arab invaders simulating today's ISIS. Luckily they were defeated badly in Spain and the world was saved from their invading forces. If they get the chance some elements of them may kill every Israeli civilian and none of us want that. All I am saying is that this forum is one sided in favor of Israelis who are responsible for killing of thousands of innocent defenseless civilians. They are no angels either as thr powerful lobbies in US and Europe have portraited them to be.

It is time for these groups to start talking than fighting and end century long hostilities and end civilian casualties on both sides. As I said at the opening enough with hate already!!.

In any conflict there is never any angels, just death and destruction, whoever does the most the fastest normally wins.... conflict is the result of failed diplomacy, and once it hits this stage innocent women and children will pay the most...Hamas and Hezbollah have not lost enough people to make a difference, to sit down and talk about a lasting peace...It will take a major war in the area to bring all parties back to the table...many more people are going to die before that happens... The hate will never stop in this world, hard to have someone close to you die, and not have hate grow until it consumes you....each new death starts a new cycle for someone.  The more you hate the easier it is to kill.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Army Guy

[Infidel Dog]

Time for some facts concerning who's doing what to whom.

"

And so it’s worth noting that in spite of all the imagery of death and destruction, in spite of the incessant media talk of genocide, the Hamas-controlled Gaza Health Ministry reported a total of 232 killed just after the ceasefire. Yesterday, by comparison, Israel’s estimate was that it had killed at least roughly 215 combatants, including 25 “senior commanders’ — but in the Hamas count they mysteriously become innocent civilians, with some becoming children. (Note Hamas does have some teenage recruits).

There were, of course, actual civilians among the dead and wounded. For one thing, according to a senior military source, of the 4,200 or so rockets launched from the Gaza Strip, approximately 650 fell inside the Gaza Strip. And unlike Israel’s guided weapons, they fell at random, and they definitely caused civilian casualties, including a family of six in one case. (Of the remaining rockets, roughly 1,950 were not intercepted because they were projected to fall in empty ground — and did. Another 1,440 were successfully engaged by Israel’s Iron Dome batteries, while 160 fell inside Israeli residential areas, causing minimal casualties thanks to Israel’s system of bomb shelters)..."

https://unherd.com/2021/05/the-phoney-war-between-israel-and-hamas/

Edited May 23, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Michael Hardner]

On 5/21/2021 at 11:03 PM, Army Guy said:

Thats not what i'm suggesting, and i know your not suggesting they do nothing and just take it on the chin... You think the Jewish people get a fair shake here or treated equally in Canada, that Canadians opinion is favorable when discussing Israel.  

Jews are the most abused minority, as a group.  The #1 target of hate crimes, and antisemites use Israel as an excuse to perpetuate this atrocity.

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Jews are the most abused minority, as a group.  The #1 target of hate crimes, and antisemites use Israel as an excuse to perpetuate this atrocity.

Not anymore. It's white gentile people that are starting to be abused now. Personally, I could not give a dam about what is going on in the Middle East. I just wish that the Jews and the Arabs would go at it once and for all and get their fight over with. May the best antisemite win. Just saying. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

They are trying to portrait the image of a humane civilized Israel who will do their best to avoid civilian casualties and even warn them before bombing a particular household. Don't fall for these propagandas. They are either pro-Israeli lobby groups very powerful in North America and Europe or they are influenced by their propaganda. Don't let them influence you. Israel is not as civilized as they are portraying.

14 members of same family murdered in ONE of many Israeli attacks on Gaza last week.

 

Edited May 24, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

No. The idea Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties is not Propaganda.

It's common sense.

As you've already been told the reason we know Israel is not killing civilians purposefully is because if they were as a matter of policy there would be no living civilians in what they're calling Palestine.

Your video is what they call "Pallywood." Look it up, or I can save you a trip. It's propaganda for useful idiots concerning what some call "the Palestinian issue." If you research how many times they've been caught fabricating or misinterpreting to advantage the gullible and create a false narrative you're going to feel pretty silly for posting it.

You need to get past the feels and look at the facts. You'll be taken advantage of less.

Yes, every once in awhile civilians are in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens, but it's nothing like what you're being told by Pallywood, Progressive Socialists or global activists.

 

Edited May 24, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[CITIZEN_2015]

Yes all those names given with pictures who are killed and those family and friends  are actors and actresses!!!!!!!. All those buildings flatten to ground into rubbles are movie tricks and not real!!!!!!. I am very sensitive to the plight of women and children and seeing them suffering by a strong power makes me absolutely mad,

Edited May 24, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

No. Not all of them. But more of them than you or yours would like to admit.

And they usually do what your link does. They find some heartrending personal tale to make it look like it represents some wide-spread phenomena of a Gazan multitude. The story is (I will say) often fabricated. Also they never tell you how many of those "casualties" were Hamas missile-men scurrying around in the honey-combed tunnels under Gaza looking to pop up from under a hospital or school and fire Iranian manufactured death into Israel. Or for that matter how many of those "casualties" were victims of the Iranian supplied missiles misfiring and hitting Gazans.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

And it's not just Pallywood.

I just saw an interesting one this morning describing how in the tank the AP (Associated Press) is for Hamas.

Hamas-Shielding AP tossed critics a bone

And sure, the poster of that one's sympathies would be anti-Hamas, but have a look at the stilted and possibly fabricated stories on the YouTube channel posting that video you offered up.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7fWeaHhqgM4Ry-RMpM2YYw

Try to tell me they aren't partisan.

TRT stands for Turkish Radio and Television Corporation, BTW.

Edited May 24, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Dougie93]

according to international law and the laws of armed conflict, the Arabs in Gaza are not classified as defensless

soon as Hamas opens fire on Israel with rockets, Hamas is responsible for defending the Arabs in Gaza

the Israelis have broad authority under the Hague Convention to defend themselves

the Arabs whining about that doesn't make them defenceless, just incompetent

[Dougie93]

the IDF does in fact far exceed what they are bound to do under international law & the laws of armed conflict

there's nothing in the law which binds them to issue warning for Gazans to get out of the way of strikes

there is nothing in the law which binds Israel to employ precision guided weapons

once the Arabs start shooting mass rocket attacks into Israel, Israel has the right to bomb them into the stone age

same as we did to the Germans & Japanese in the Second World War

[CITIZEN_2015]

Drone footage reveals Gaza destruction - BBC News

 

[DogOnPorch]

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Drone footage reveals Gaza destruction - BBC News

 

 

Excellent work by Hamas.

[Goddess]

Hamas was a democratically elected government.  That means the people chose them.  On purpose.

The governing Charter (or Covenant) of the Hamas government is to "fight the Jews and kill them" and replace Israel with an Islamic state.

What part of "kill the Jews" is difficult for some of you to understand?

If my next-door neighbors were actively trying to kill me, telling everyone they want to kill me......I don't think it's anyone's place to tell Israel to back off or criticize them for how they handle this.

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Excellent work by Hamas.

Exactly. I doubt Citizen-2015 noticed or cares but that footage is dated 2014.

So Hamas was responsible for that barrage with a previous attack and now they decided to do it again.

They didn't have to. All they had to do was say, "Hey, Israel let's get along," and Israel would have fallen all over themselves trying to make life better for the people of Gaza.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Exactly. I doubt Citizen-2015 noticed or cares but that footage is dated 2014.

So Hamas was responsible for that barrage with a previous attack and now they decided to do it again.

They didn't have to. All they had to do was say, "Hey, Israel let's get along," and Israel would have fallen all over themselves trying to make life better for the people of Gaza.

 

I know the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict rather well...there is no way on this Earth that I'd ever support a terrorist group started by a Nazi on the run for his work during the Holocaust. Others here, as you can see, feel they'd look good in a uniform prodding people towards the Road to Heaven ala the Treblinka Death Camp.

  

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Exactly. I doubt Citizen-2015 noticed or cares but that footage is dated 2014.

Since it was 2014 then most of people who died would have been dead by now anyways of old age!!!!!

Edited May 26, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Infidel Dog]

8 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Where does that say the footage is dated 2014?

Click the 'watch on YouTube' link on your video.

"•Sep 14, 2014"

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

 

What part of "kill the Jews" is difficult for some of you to understand?

 

Which part of it you don't understand that all those women and children killed by Israel's strong army are not Hamas members or even supporting Hamas and are innocent people caught in the middle? I am also not sure their motto is kill the Jew but I do know they wish to destroy state of Israel and take what they see as their land by force.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Click the 'watch on YouTube' link on your video.

Now scroll below the title to the bottom left where they give the date - "•Sep 14, 2014"

 

Yes it was 2014. There has been so much destruction brought by Israelis that I was mixed up in dates of destruction occurred.