Right To Left Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: More significantly, why is Canada so dependent on a "3rd World" America ? Why is Canada a U.S. vassal state, regardless of who is president. Why did we pass FTA and then NAFTA 30 years ago? We tried to vote against ratifying the final NAFTA treaty by voting out Mulroo and replacing him with a Liberal who promised to scrap NAFTA. But then again, he also promised to end our hated federal sales tax (GST) also! We were promised...just like American factory workers that there would be no net manufacturing jobs lost; just some of the low-paying textiles and other sweatshop industries after all the tariffs were gone. But, we were all integrated into the new common market, and worse: being one tenth of the US economy means being unable to wave a big stick at enemies or allies to try to extract better trade conditions. I, like many blue collar workers, had to go look for new jobs a few times as layoffs continued on during the 80's, and I lost a lot of earning power before I started making a comeback in the 90's. Some people never did! But, win or lose on wages be damned, I wanted, and many other Canadians wanted to remain independent and not become a 51st state like we are today. As things played out, there have been no real winners of the globalization game, except for the small groups of oligarchs who have become richer at everyone else's expense! And loss of effective sovereignty means being stuck with either choosing a conservative imbecile, or a spineless, duplicitous liberal who follows an almost identical course regardless of the flowery, disingenuous rhetoric coming out of his mouth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I don't know, but I am sure that Mongolians do not winter in the equivalent of Florida or Arizona...and get faster covid vaccinations. Actually I bet they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Another dispatch from Conservative Paradise: One Texas Resident Still Has Power, but His Bill Is Now Over $8,000 A Texas resident's power bill increased over $7,700 this month as the outages and severe weather in the area rose the cost of electricity. Royce Pierce, a 38-year-old contractor and Texas resident owes power company, Griddy, $8,162.73 for his electricity use in February. The total was a steep increase compared with his bill for his two-story home last month, which was $387.79. "It's mind-blowing. I honestly didn't believe the price at first," Pierce told the Daily Beast. "It's not a great feeling knowing that there is a looming bill that we just can't afford." Pierce noted that his family has been trying to use less electricity in an effort to keep down costs. These efforts include turning down the thermostat to 50 degrees and not using the lights or the oven. ....Griddy's customers are exposed to the real-time fluctuations in wholesale power markets as members pay a $9.99 monthly fee and then pay the direct cost of the electricity on Texas's power grid based on the time of day they used it...... https://www.newsweek.com/one-texas-resident-still-has-power-his-bill-now-over-8000-1570343 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Right To Left said: But, win or lose on wages be damned, I wanted, and many other Canadians wanted to remain independent and not become a 51st state like we are today. As things played out, there have been no real winners of the globalization game, Nevertheless, and as a matter of national economic policy regardless of ruling party, Canada sold out for more American control (foreign direct investment) and access to the U.S. market. President Biden is going to continue this one-sided economic relationship, and he is a friend to globalism. Canadians have made these choices, wanted or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nevertheless, and as a matter of national economic policy regardless of ruling party, Canada sold out for more American control (foreign direct investment) and access to the U.S. market. President Biden is going to continue this one-sided economic relationship, and he is a friend to globalism. Canadians have made these choices, wanted or not. But all that REALLY matters at the end of the day is this: it’s better to live in Canada than the US. Because the quality of life is better. Everything else is unimportant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: But all that REALLY matters at the end of the day is this: it’s better to live in Canada than the US. Because the quality of life is better. Everything else is unimportant. Not to immigrants...far more chose the USA over Canada. The U.S. has more landed immigrants than any other nation in the world....by far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 8 hours ago, WestCanMan said: You were talking about anti-Semitism, then you used the fact that a woman was a Trump supporter as evidence of something. You called her "a crackpot Trump supporter". What does support for Trump have to do with anti-Semitism? FYI you don't get to turn GOP support for Israel into something evil just to suit your own fantasies. The GOP is lousy with white supremacists and anti-semites. Doesn’t mean they all are. But it’s a growing Republican faction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: The GOP is lousy with white supremacists and anti-semites. Doesn’t mean they all are. But it’s a growing Republican faction Democrats are infested with Marxists, socialists, communists, and illegals...far worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Not to immigrants...far more chose the USA over Canada. The U.S. has more landed immigrants than any other nation in the world....by far. Per capita, Canada welcomed the same amount of immigrants under its family category and 12 times more legal immigrants under its economic category as the United States that year.[5] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/layered-look-canadian-and-us-immigration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not to immigrants...far more chose the USA over Canada. The U.S. has more landed immigrants than any other nation in the world....by far. I dodged bullets in the Killing Fields for two extra years instead of going to CANADA. ---Khan Soupanousaphone: King of the Hill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, BeaverFever said: Per capita, Canada welcomed the same amount of immigrants under its family category and 12 times more legal immigrants under its economic category as the United States that year.[5] Big deal...the U.S. has more landed immigrants than the entire population of Canada. In 2019, about 11,000 Canadians became U.S. citizens....with Trump as president ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Democrats are infested with Marxists, socialists, communists, and illegals...far worse. Lions and tigers and bears oh my! What nonsense just another word salad of conservative trigger words. How can Democrats be illegals, who cant vote or run for office? Or are ypu now going to tell me about Obamacare Kenyan birth certificate? And can you even describe the difference between a Marxist, a Communist and a Socialist? I know you use those words interchangeably but definitely 2 of the 3 are not Democrats and even the the third is a rare breed in the party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Democrats are infested with Marxists, socialists, communists, and illegals...far worse. Including anti-Semites and various supremist types. A diverse group, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: Lions and tigers and bears oh my! What nonsense just another word salad of conservative trigger words. I can play the same games with words that you play...and I actually live in the United States. Why does America trigger you so much ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Including anti-Semites and various supremist types. A diverse group, for sure. Hubert H. Humphey had to run the damn Marxists, communists and socialists out of the Democratic Farm Labor party in my state, but they are making a resurgence (e.g. Black Lives Matter -> Marxists). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Big deal...the U.S. has more landed immigrants than the entire population of Canada. In 2019, about 11,000 Canadians became U.S. citizens....with Trump as president ! Per capita we do better Immigrants Flock To Canada, While U.S. Declines Stuart AndersonSenior Contributor Leadership Strategy I write about globalization, business, technology and immigration. New data show the number of people immigrating to Canada increased by 26% between 2015 and 2019, and is projected to rise higher as the country seeks to overcome the aging of its workforce – a serious problem in all Western nations. In the United States, legal immigration fell by 7% between FY 2016 and FY 2018, and is expected to decline even more sharply due to Trump administration policies. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/02/18/immigrants-flock-to-canada-while-us-declines/amp/ I'm not comfortable living here': More Americans did actually try to move to Canada since Trump's 2016 election OTTAWA -- When Donald Trump won the presidential election in November 2016, many Americans threw up their hands and threatened to flee north of the border to live out the rest of their days in chillier climes. And according to new figures from the government, some of them may have actually followed through on that threat. Advertisement Canada saw an uptick in Americans trying to move to Canada following Trump's win, according to the new figures from Immigration Canada. In 2015, a little over 6,800 Americans tried to apply for permanent residency in Canada, followed by just over 7,700 in 2016. But in 2017, the year of Trump's inauguration, that figure jumped to over 9,000. The number has yet to dip below 8,700 in the years since, although 2020 is on track to fall far below the years previous — likely related to the COVID-19 pandemic, which has seen borders shutter and travel restricted. https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/america-votes/i-m-not-comfortable-living-here-more-americans-did-actually-try-to-move-to-canada-since-trump-s-2016-election-1.5064819 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Hubert H. Humphey had to run the damn Marxists, communists and socialists out of the Democratic Farm Labor party in my state, but they are making a resurgence (e.g. Black Lives Matter -> Marxists). With a capital "M" Marxists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BeaverFever said: Per capita we do better Per capita doesn't land the most immigrants....Canada also loses immigrants (net immigration) to...wait for it...the United States of America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 The Liar-in-chief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Per capita doesn't land the most immigrants....Canada also loses immigrants (net immigration) to...wait for it...the United States of America. A Korean grocer once informed me that after running this particular store in Canada, he'd be able to open a similar store in California. That was his plan all along. I figured he was pretty typical of the foreign devils living in my particular neck of the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Did Joe not think there was proof? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: A Korean grocer once informed me that after running this particular store in Canada, he'd be able to open a similar store in California. That was his plan all along. I figured he was pretty typical of the foreign devils living in my particular neck of the woods. Yes....Canada can be a stepping stone to the U.S. for some immigrants, especially after their first cold ass winter ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannucklehead Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....Canada can be a stepping stone to the U.S. for some immigrants, especially after their first cold ass winter ! https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/02/18/immigrants-flock-to-canada-while-us-declines/ Seems to contradict your claim, but maybe under Joe you'll turn things around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Per capita doesn't land the most immigrants....Canada also loses immigrants (net immigration) to...wait for it...the United States of America. Who cates about “the most “. Only an idiot would think Canada should allow in to the same number as a population ten times its size. We have a higher RATE. And more importantly the percentage of our immigrants who are highly skilled and educated economic migrants is 12x that of US immigrants who are mostly just coming because they are relatives of people already in the US. Canada No. 1 for Migrants, U.S. in Sixth Place September 23, 2020 by Neli Esipova, Julie Ray and Dato Tsabutashvili This is the second of two articles analyzing the results from Gallup's second administration of its Migrant Acceptance Index. WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Canada and the U.S. remained among the most-accepting countries in the world for migrants in 2019. In fact, with a score of 8.46 (out of a possible 9.0) on Gallup's second administration of its Migrant Acceptance Index, Canada, for the first time, led the rest of the world. The U.S. ranked sixth, with a score of 7.95. https://news.gallup.com/poll/320669/canada-migrants-sixth-place.aspx Got s recent link for your net immigration claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverFever Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Shady said: The Liar-in-chief. Wait this is on CNN? How is this possible you rightists always claim CNN is liberal propaganda It’s almost like you’re full of shit or something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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