Liberals ban plastics - for some dumbass reason.

[Argus]

With all due ceremonial virtue signalling, the government announced a ban on a variety of single-use plastics the other day. Not much about what they said was apparently true, but it's one of those sorts of policies which looks good to earnest environmentalists who vote Liberal. It will cost jobs and money and inconvenience, but hey, that hardly matters. Plastic in Canada contributes virtually nothing to the plastic in the world's oceans. In fact, western countries contribute an estimated 2% of the plastic choking fish and dolphins. Of that, Canada's share would be minuscule. Declaring plastics a 'toxin' seems to lack both common sense and fly in the face of science. Not only won't this help the environment it might actually harm it.

The first of these negative effects is that it will drive consumers to alternatives, which often have a greater environmental impact. When the Environment Ministry of Denmark evaluated the environmental impact of plastic bags versus the alternatives, it found the alternatives came with significant negative externalities, mainly stemming from the energy and carbon costs of their production.

Given these costs, paper bags needed to be reused 43 times to have the same total impact on the environment as plastic bags. A conventional cotton bag needed to be used over 7,100 times to equal a plastic bag’s net environmental cost, while an organic cotton bag had to be used over 20,000 times.

https://financialpost.com/opinion/david-clement-ottawas-new-plastics-policy-is-radical-overkill

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/gunter-heres-why-the-liberals-plastics-ban-is-useless-and-even-harmful/wcm/6a8bc11d-1610-43d2-938f-1f436f453b2f

Edited October 8, 2020 by Argus

[cougar]

13 hours ago, Argus said:

Not only won't this help the environment it might actually harm it.

 

You can continue to throw your plastic garbage through the window of your pickup to help the environment.

Those Liberals are real dumbasses as you say.

I will vote for them though, as might those other 46 forum members who read your vastly superior post but chose not to respond.

[Argus]

9 hours ago, cougar said:

You can continue to throw your plastic garbage through the window of your pickup to help the environment.

Obviously reading the cites was beyond your limited intellectual capacity.

9 hours ago, cougar said:

Those Liberals are real dumbasses as you say.

I will vote for them though, as might those other 46 forum members who read your vastly superior post but chose not to respond.

An understanding of basic human behaviour is something common to the left. People usually only respond to posts they disagree with. Or, in your case, they respond if they're a troll trying to anger someone.

[OftenWrong]

Plastic is the worst shit we ever made.

Recent reports show lake Ontario is full of plastic. The problem isn't just in the oceans.

[Boges]

Don't support banning Plastic Bags. 

I re-use grocery plastic bags as garbage bags. This will just force me to pay more for the same product labelled as a kitchen catcher garbage bag instead of grocery bag. 

Grocery Bags are very re-usable. I still try to use clothes bags or boxes as much as possible. 

For the rest of the stuff on the list. GOOD! Plastic Stir Sticks and Straws just end up going into the Landfill. Take-Out Containers should be biodegradable. I keep those black plastic containers around as back up tupperware, but they're much more annoying to clean and dry as well in the Dishwasher. 

I saw part of the Press Conference. The goal is to ban things where alternatives exist. So I'm not sure how this will cost jobs. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Better ban condoms and plastic syringes too, right ?

[Shady]

It's all symbolism over substance.  They can brag about it in their next campaign, even though it accomplishes next to nothing.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

It's all symbolism over substance.  They can brag about it in their next campaign, even though it accomplishes next to nothing.

Much like their 'assault weapons' ban.  Much like their ban on gay conversion (how often does that even happen?).

Btw, doesn't the insistence that someone's sexual orientation can't ever be changed conflict with the idea of gender fluidity for transsexuals?

[OftenWrong]

43 minutes ago, Argus said:

Much like their 'assault weapons' ban.  Much like their ban on gay conversion (how often does that even happen?).

Not really. It's plastic. We implement new technology, like we did when we switched over to plastic for grocery bags. When we find better technology or better solutions, the old stuff gets replaced.

Some new stuff we invented was later found out to be not good. Like asbestos, or Freon-12. Once we found out how bad it was, and because we were using it so much all over the place, it had to be replaced by something else.

[cougar]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Not really. It's plastic. We implement new technology, like we did when we switched over to plastic for grocery bags. When we find better technology or better solutions, the old stuff gets replaced.

Some new stuff we invented was later found out to be not good. Like asbestos, or Freon-12. Once we found out how bad it was, and because we were using it so much all over the place, it had to be replaced by something else.

Yes, unfortunately we are too slow to learn and some of us have no chance of learning.  It broke my heart to watch a movie on Youtube about Papua New Guinea and how stores are set up and those same plastic bags and aluminum foil wrappers are given to people that literally just walked out of the bush.

You have our modern-world rednecks fill up the lakes, rivers and the ocean with their plastics and all type of other garbage.  What chance do the PNG people have? The island that was pristine years ago is now just another open landfill.

[Guest]

On 10/9/2020 at 10:14 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Better ban condoms and plastic syringes too, right ?

Just non-essential plastics.  Condoms should be mandatory.

[bush_cheney2004]

31 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Just non-essential plastics.  Condoms should be mandatory.

 

There are readily available, natural substitutes for latex and polyurethane condoms.   And syringes can be made from glass.  

 

Edited October 10, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

There are readily available, natural substitutes for latex and polyurethane condoms.   And syringes can be made from glass.  

 

Good ideas all.  Use those instead then.

[cougar]

10 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Good ideas all.  Use those instead then.

Condoms are non-essential too; there is always castration.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, cougar said:

Condoms are non-essential too; there is always castration.

I'm in favour of sterilizing all new borns in a reversible procedure.  Then, once a person has reached adulthood, found a suitable partner, and can show good character and a willingness to accept the responsibility, they can apply for permission to have a child. 

Always assuming the planet agrees, of course.

[Shady]

What about diapers?

[Shady]

And tampons.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Shady said:

What about diapers?

What would the environmental equation look like if everyone went back to re-usable diapers?  Depends, I guess.

Of course, if we went with my sterilization idea we wouldn't need diapers any more.

Edited October 11, 2020 by bcsapper

[cougar]

9 hours ago, Shady said:

What about diapers?

You think there were diapers 100 years ago?  But civilization apparently made it through.

You have your questions answered.

[cougar]

9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

What would the environmental equation look like if everyone went back to re-usable diapers?  Depends, I guess.

Of course, if we went with my sterilization idea we wouldn't need diapers any more.

I am all for your sterlization idea; beats castration for sure.

As for the environmental equation of organic vs. plastic products just ignore the noise coming from post #1.  Poster there, like some other folks, goes on websites, collects ideas and posts them here without using his own head to filter the scat.

All plastic crap manufacturers will tell you how harmful it is to use an organic product and expect you to continue to buy those plastic bags and condoms from them forever (forever m in this case may turn out to be a short time).

 

[Shady]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

I am all for your sterlization idea; beats castration for sure.

As for the environmental equation of organic vs. plastic products just ignore the noise coming from post #1.  Poster there, like some other folks, goes on websites, collects ideas and posts them here without using his own head to filter the scat.

All plastic crap manufacturers will tell you how harmful it is to use an organic product and expect you to continue to buy those plastic bags and condoms from them forever (forever m in this case may turn out to be a short time).

 

What until you find out how bad disposable diapers and tampons are to the environment!

[cougar]

2 minutes ago, Shady said:

What until you find out how bad disposable diapers and tampons are to the environment!

Was I ever saying we should continue producing disposable diapers?

[BeaverFever]

On 10/9/2020 at 4:52 PM, OftenWrong said:

When we find better technology or better solutions, the old stuff gets replaced.

Yeah but the people and companies who were getting rich off the old stuff don’t simply roll over and accept their obsolescence. They hire lobbyists and PR specialists, plant propaganda in the media, spread conspiracy theories, scream about “big government” and try to make it about their liberties being taken away.  And the workers who make the old stuff and stand to lose livelihoods also impede change by electing regressive leaders.   

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah but the people and companies who were getting rich off the old stuff don’t simply roll over and accept their obsolescence. They hire lobbyists and PR specialists, plant propaganda in the media, spread conspiracy theories, scream about “big government” and try to make it about their liberties being taken away.  And the workers who make the old stuff and stand to lose livelihoods also impede change by electing regressive leaders.   

Yep. I’m all for having the checks and balances that each political side provides.

[cannuck]

On 10/11/2020 at 8:21 AM, bcsapper said:

I'm in favour of sterilizing all new borns in a reversible procedure.  Then, once a person has reached adulthood, found a suitable partner, and can show good character and a willingness to accept the responsibility, they can apply for permission to have a child. 

Always assuming the planet agrees, of course.

Since the cause of environmental damage is mostly human activity, and the world population is what defines the level of damage that is susatinable - and we are obviously WAY past that level now - your proposal has merit.  Eugenicists will also agree.