TRUMP vs MCCAIN Being Brought Up Again By The DESPERADOS!

Shady · September 8, 2020

52 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Joe Biden attended mass and visited the cemetery where his war hero son is buried. Trump played golf and made fun of Biden at the cemetary.

Who cares? Nobody.

Shady · September 8, 2020

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. This is unbelievably incorrect, but if it were true, it would still be an indictment.

2. You may as well go back to sleep, nothing bothers you.

Not entirely true. It bothers me, but not enough to support Biden. He’s wrong on almost every issue.

OftenWrong · September 8, 2020

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. This is unbelievably incorrect, but if it were true, it would still be an indictment.

2. You may as well go back to sleep, nothing bothers you.

That he insulted McCain is not an indictment, it just bothers some people.

Stick to the thread. I did not say what you are, what you think, what you represent or should do. I discussed Trump. Do not discuss me or what I am.

I have warned you enough times already.

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

21 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That he insulted McCain is not an indictment, it just bothers some people.

He specifically mocked him for being a POW. It's not just an insult.

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

38 minutes ago, Shady said:

It bothers me,

At least you are honest about that part.

bush_cheney2004 · September 8, 2020

Biden loves the military so much !

Biden = 4 wars

Trump = 0 wars

bush_cheney2004 · September 8, 2020

16 hours ago, betsy said:

McCain simply got back what he dished out. Hero or not - doesn't exempt you from getting dissed back when you insult someone!

If you throw a pie at someone, chances are he'll throw one at you, too.

Indeed...the late Sen John McCain was not without sin when it comes to such things.

As for being a "loser" (a common NYC "insult"), Trump is correct....Senator John McCain lost to Senator Barack Obama in the 2008 election.

(Donald Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016.)

Shady · September 8, 2020

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

He specifically mocked him for being a POW. It's not just an insult.

No, it’s an insult. Trump will insult anyone that insults him first. He displayed that behaviour quite frequently in 2016. Is it childish and uncivil? Yep. But that’s also why this cemetery story makes very little sense. He wasn’t attacked by anyone. It was just a cancellation of an event by his staff. There was nobody to have to insult. Especially if he didn’t want to go. There’s absolutely no motive at all.

Shady · September 8, 2020

Anyways, any of the unnamed sources come forward yet? No? Well, I’m shocked I tells ya!

bush_cheney2004 · September 8, 2020

16 minutes ago, Shady said:

No, it’s an insult. Trump will insult anyone that insults him first. He displayed that behaviour quite frequently in 2016.

And certainly not exclusive to Trump:

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...Military veterans running on their record of service is nothing new. And criticism of an opponent’s military background — or lack thereof — isn’t unusual either, as the Bill Clinton and John Kerry campaigns can attest. But by highlighting Trump’s record, they’re also turning a spotlight on other candidates who were eligible for service during the Vietnam War, including Biden.

https://www.insidesources.com/joe-bidens-draft-record-looks-a-lot-like-donald-trumps-do-democrats-care/

OftenWrong · September 8, 2020

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He specifically mocked him for being a POW. It's not just an insult.

Did you see the part where John Bolton has come out and said, "No, the president did not say those things in France?" He's the only eyewitness who has come forward and said something, and it's in Trump's defence. Outstanding, dramatic theatre. Riveting, ain't it?

So yet another accusation that doesn't stick to the Donald. It doesn't help that the news, mainstream news here, is exposed as having a lying agenda. It must be frustrating for people who truly want there to be something.

Please do let me know when you find anything important... anything at all.

Edited September 8, 2020 by OftenWrong

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Outstanding, dramatic theatre. Riveting, ain't it?

2. So yet another accusation that doesn't stick to the Donald. It doesn't help that the news, mainstream news here, is exposed as having a lying agenda. It must be frustrating for people who truly want there to be something.

3. Please do let me know when you find anything important... anything at all.

1. If Bolton was bolted to the president at the waist then this admission would exonerate the president. It's retarded to suggest one person not hearing the words he actually said exonerates him. It's actually dishonest.
2. Oh, it sticks. Now Cohen says Trump bragged about getting out of Vietnam on a lie. It all adds up.
3. No, I don't want to wake you...

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Nothing bad of real importance has occurred under Trump so far, imo.

2. Do let me know when something significant occurs.

1. Your assessment is ridiculously off. It's pointless to even point out the mountain of evidence that this president has trespassed on the dignity of his office.
2. What's the line for you ? Oh, right... murder on fifth avenue... :lol: I have to go back to the default with you if you make assertions that 'nothing bad of real importance' has occurred. You can't even admit that an impeachment trial, a massive of resignations and prosecutions happened, infidelity and scandal unlike anything we have seen.

Sorry but I have to spend my time here wisely, which means posting to posters who admit a smidgen of reality.

DogOnPorch · September 8, 2020

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Your assessment is ridiculously off. It's pointless to even point out the mountain of evidence that this president has trespassed on the dignity of his office.
2. What's the line for you ? Oh, right... murder on fifth avenue... I have to go back to the default with you if you make assertions that 'nothing bad of real importance' has occurred. You can't even admit that an impeachment trial, a massive of resignations and prosecutions happened, infidelity and scandal unlike anything we have seen.

Sorry but I have to spend my time here wisely, which means posting to posters who admit a smidgen of reality.

The mountain of evidence from proven liars is worth less that the pile my dog leaves.

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

10 hours ago, Shady said:

Anyways, any of the unnamed sources come forward yet? No? Well, I’m shocked I tells ya!

It doesn't matter - Trump and his cult would just denounce the army of sources as 'disgruntled' including John Kelly which he has started doing this to pre-emptively.

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

The mountain of evidence from proven liars is worth less that the pile my dog leaves.

The only proven liar in this story is the president again. His cult rushes to his defense on the slimmest of premises, ie. "It's ok to make fun of somebody for being a POW ! John McCain insulted him first !"

Ridiculous.

DogOnPorch · September 8, 2020

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

The only proven liar in this story is the president again. His cult rushes to his defense on the slimmest of premises, ie. "It's ok to make fun of somebody for being a POW ! John McCain insulted him first !"

Ridiculous.

You're free to love & support the MSM and their constant lies. I actually expect nothing less (or more) of you.

Edited September 8, 2020 by DogOnPorch

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

Five thirty eight has a 72% chance for Biden to win, so I don't know that 'Desperados' is a good discriptor in the Subject Line.

Also Trump's financial advantage has evaported.

WestCanMan · September 8, 2020

14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

He specifically mocked him for being a POW. It's not just an insult.

Nope.

People were saying that McCain was a 'war hero' but in fact he was not a war hero at all.

He was a veteran, and he spent a lot of time in a POW camp, but those things do not make him a hero and in actual fact he was not a hero at all. He was a weasel.

Trump made the distinction between 'hero' and 'POW'. Facts are facts.

People who have no skin in the game like to think that they can turn America's military members against Trump, but that will never happen because military men and women LIVE IN the truth. They are immersed in it. They are not merely casual observers of what happens overseas; they have either served over there, they have friends over there, or they're a phone call away from being sent over there.

They're not interested in dying in some bullshit war, and they see a commander in chief who has completely de-escalated the situation in the middle east from every angle.

Just remember that when Trump took over the Presidency there was an actual country founded by a terrorist group in the middle east which was still growing, America was still busy trying to kill the leader of Syria, they were just coming off a war in Iraq, and they were still heavily involved in Afghanistan. Russia had just annexed Crimea, they had invaded part of Ukraine, and the US under Obama had done absolutely nothing at all about it. The world had gone to shit under Obama.

A lot has changed in 4 years. Trump backed the Ukrainians with American missile technology that stopped Russia's aggression cold. Trump called off the plans for ousting Assad. Trump is winding down Afghanistan. Iraq has cooled off. 'Islamic State' is not a state anymore.

Trump's willingness and ability to kill terrorist leaders of the highest order, like Suleimani, has proven America to be strong and uncompromising, while at the same time he's not racking up a huge body count of young middle eastern men. The ME is not grieving, instead they're seeing stability coming to their corner of the earth.

There can be no starker contrast than the ME that had the terrorist nation known as "Islamic State" grow to be one of the world's 100 largest countries under Obama, and the middle east of only 4 years later with Islamic State completely unseated and peace between Israel and one of the key Arab states.

Run your mouth about Trump all you want, America's servicemen live in a harsh reality and they feel the truth in their bones.

Michael Hardner · September 8, 2020

Ok, now the Trump

28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Run your mouth about Trump all you want, America's servicemen live in a harsh reality and they feel the truth in their bones.

You do nothing but parrot talking points from this idiot's cult. Splitting hairs between 'hero' and 'POW' is about right for that team. There is zero consistency of principles when comparing how they deal with 'dear leader' and any other president or person for that matter.

dialamah · September 8, 2020

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The only proven liar in this story is the president again. His cult rushes to his defense on the slimmest of premises, ie. "It's ok to make fun of somebody for being a POW ! John McCain insulted him first !"

Ridiculous.

It is ridiculous. A leader doesn't engage in tit-for-tat; that's high school behavior. A leader shows us our better selves, not our worst selves. The people who support Trump are simply the worst examples of humanity. They are as morally culpable of the corruption of Trump and his hangers on as were Hitler's supporters in the gassing of Jews. No one wants to think badly of themselves, naturally, so they'll deny Trump's shortcomings vociferously to avoid seeing themselves. Its pretty pointless to point out facts or even normal behavior to them, they're too invested in protecting themselves at this point.

WestCanMan · September 8, 2020

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, now the Trump

You do nothing but parrot talking points from this idiot's cult. Splitting hairs between 'hero' and 'POW' is about right for that team. There is zero consistency of principles when comparing how they deal with 'dear leader' and any other president or person for that matter.

Things that are just "talking points" to you are life and death issues for people in America's military and for the people of the middle east.

You can't challenge any of the facts noted above, so you'd rather not have this as an election issue.

It's because you have no empathy for mere middle easterners, you only care about your own emotions, facts be damned. You're like a little kid having a tantrum - you'll only hear what you want to hear. Sorry, no ice cream today MH. Go fish.

WestCanMan · September 8, 2020

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

It is ridiculous. A leader doesn't engage in tit-for-tat; that's high school behavior. A leader shows us our better selves, not our worst selves. The people who support Trump are simply the worst examples of humanity. They are as morally culpable of the corruption of Trump and his hangers on as were Hitler's supporters in the gassing of Jews. No one wants to think badly of themselves, naturally, so they'll deny Trump's shortcomings vociferously to avoid seeing themselves. Its pretty pointless to point out facts or even normal behavior to them, they're too invested in protecting themselves at this point.

LMAO, point out one thing that Trump did that's comparable to the gassing of Jews.

You have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of current events or history.

The worst examples of humanity are the Obamas, who popped out of their mansions during the rioting, arson, looting, and cop-killing just to tell high school graduates to "stay mad and focus their anger". No wonder they Presided over the worst rioting of the last 60 years.

For your information, and the Obamas' idiotic followers are actually culpable because those useful idiots actually were the murderers and arsonists and looters.

Shady · September 8, 2020

The author is already backtracking. Conceding that the event was actually cancelled due to weather by the military, not because Trump didn’t want to go. I feel sorry for anyone that falls for this nonsense and gets manipulated by the mainstream media this way.

Shady · September 8, 2020

Now not only Bolton has debunked it, but the U.S. ambassador to France, who was also there says it never happened. So 2 named sources have now completed debunked this ridiculous story.