Erin O'Toole is the Conservative Leader

[taxme]

On 9/13/2020 at 6:34 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Straight from 'False choice news' ... 

Patriot my arse. 39.7% must mean that there are a hell of a lot of liberal conservatives around. In all my years I have never seen one politician that was loyal to Canada. They all appear to despise Canada.

O'Toole. is just another globalist deep state suck. O'tool will do whatever his commanders and chiefs of the deep state globalists cabal tell him to do without question just like kid Trudeau is doing. The tool does not work for Canada or Canadians, he works for the globalists.

Sadly, there are just way too many stunned Canadians around that think that O'Tool if elected as the PM he will make things right in Canada once again. Just what has he said so far where he is going to change anything to try and make Canada great again like having less government, having less taxes and more economic freedom and freedom of speech would be a good start. HA-HA. That will never happen with O'Tool. All we will get from him is just liberal lite. 

[August1991]

On 9/12/2020 at 2:06 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

They either get it coming in or get it coming out.  WTF is the difference?

The CPP/EI are payroll taxes, and people stop paying after about $50,000 or so. People with high incomes don't pay  - or they stop paying well before August.

GST? You buy, you pay.  

To collect the CPP/EI/Income tax, the CRA people must collect data from millions of transactions. GST?  CRA needs only to verify a few hundred thousand collection points.

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Mulroney wisely created the GST and managed to create the Free Trade Agreement. Meech Lake was a bridge too far.

IMHO, Donald Trump is Brian Mulroney, American version.     

Edited September 16, 2020 by August1991

[August1991]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

The CPP/EI are payroll taxes, and people stop paying after about $50,000 or so. People with high incomes don't pay  - or they stop paying well before August.

GST? You buy, you pay.  

To collect the CPP/EI/Income tax, the CRA people must collect data from millions of transactions. GST?  CRA needs only to verify a few hundred thousand collection points.

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Mulroney wisely created the GST and managed to create the Free Trade Agreement. Meech Lake was a bridge too far.

Trump changed the State/Federal stucture. 

IMHO, Donald Trump is Brian Mulroney, American version.     

 

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

 IMHO, Donald Trump is Brian Mulroney, American version.     

No way.  There are many hallmarks of the Mulroney years: He won, in Canada, more than 50% of the popular vote for a Conservative government.  He united Francophones and Westerners, made bold and intelligent policy decisions, and avoided cutting the CPP.

Even if you like Trump,being wildly popular, unifying, thoughtful and caring are not words one would ascribe to him.

[August1991]

On 9/16/2020 at 6:40 AM, Michael Hardner said:

.... Even if you like Trump.

I think that Trump is a very smart buffoon, but wise like a fox.

Trump says that he wants to make America great; as a foreigner, I trust him.

[Thinkinoutsidethebox]

On 9/15/2020 at 9:47 PM, August1991 said:

GST? You buy, you pay.  

To collect the CPP/EI/Income tax, the CRA people must collect data from millions of transactions. GST?  CRA needs only to verify a few hundred thousand collection points.

You're kidding right? 

GST is based on billions of transactions, probably about 50% gets returned to the purchasers. It can't get more complicated or convoluted. 

I don't understand how something so stupid can be supported by anyone. If you are in business you pay the tax, you get it all back, if you are on the edge of starvation you pay it (plus PST etc). 

A simple progressive income tax with no deductions for every individual person and business in the country is by far the simplest and fairest but you economists with many years of indoctrination can't figure that out. Tax laws should be covered in a few pages not a whole library, we should pay taxes to benefit everyone not just the wealthy and those in power. 

If Otoole had the brains and guts to look into this he'd win by a landslide. 

Edited November 21, 2020 by Thinkinoutsidethebox

[August1991]

On 11/21/2020 at 8:46 AM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

GST is based on billions of transactions, probably about 50% gets returned to the purchasers. It can't get more complicated or convoluted. 

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Agreed, there are billions of transactions in Canada every year.

But people - a person - ultimately pays a tax. 

To collect the GST, the CRA has several hundred thousand people to contact.

To collect the income tax, the CRA has millions of people to contact.

[August1991]

On 11/21/2020 at 8:46 AM, Thinkinoutsidethebox said:

A simple progressive income tax with no deductions for every individual person and business in the country is by far the simplest and fairest but you economists with many years of indoctrination can't figure that out. Tax laws should be covered in a few pages not a whole library, we should pay taxes to benefit everyone not just the wealthy and those in power.

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Whatever.

[OftenWrong]

O'Toole is not a useful tool. There's always such a pathetic hoopla when these people come on board.

But in reality we all know what it usually amounts to. Southwest sauce, if you know what I mean.  

 

ETA: Dumping Derek Sloan now means any party member can be annihilated. Just send $131.99

Edited February 7, 2021 by OftenWrong

[Argus]

That was just an excuse. It wouldn't have worked on another MP. They wanted him gone because he was a magnet for media attention and thus embarrassed the party. O'Toole is desperately trying to portray the Tories as just like the Liberals only slightly more fiscally responsible and slightly less woke.

[GrittyLeftist]

Mr. O'Toole is, in my eyes, a big step up from Mr. Scheer.  I think the best thing he could do is the same as the best thing any politician can do - advocate for clearly understood policies that will benefit Canadians.  We have a real dearth of policy discussion right across the political spectrum.  I think this is partly because of our education system (it functions for the benefit of the employer, not the student, parent or society) leaves those without university education at a large cognitive disadvantage, and partly because the non-wealthy have to spend so much time working to make ends meet that many of them do not have enough time, energy, and goodwill towards society to meaningfully participate in politics.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, GrittyLeftist said:

Mr. O'Toole is, in my eyes, a big step up from Mr. Scheer.  I think the best thing he could do is the same as the best thing any politician can do - advocate for clearly understood policies that will benefit Canadians.  We have a real dearth of policy discussion right across the political spectrum.  I think this is partly because of our education system (it functions for the benefit of the employer, not the student, parent or society) leaves those without university education at a large cognitive disadvantage, and partly because the non-wealthy have to spend so much time working to make ends meet that many of them do not have enough time, energy, and goodwill towards society to meaningfully participate in politics.

Is that even a thing today, do they advocate for policies that benefit All Canadians do they put getting reelected as a priority at all costs. ....

University system seems to be extremely slanted to the left, through professors teaching their own ideals and promoting nothing else. Not to many universities in Canada that are slanted to the right. And with that they seem to attack with vigor anything that does not fit into that leftist teachings. Yes many will grow out of this, but in the mean time we have to live through todays cancel culture, or special interest groups that have developed way to much power.

 i think 100 % of the curriculum is slanted towards what teachers and school boards want, with the employer having a small say in the issue, topics like history, social studies, even science take a back seat, even math has taken a new direction with new methods that seems to me more complicated than the older methods of just studying the times table off by heat. now they are concentrating on social programs like the 101 different genders....

[Johnny]

Since the beginning money  builds the party. Liberal and Conservatives have lead the charge and will do so for a long time until there is another Jack Layton to bring life to the NDP and then have minority governments for years to come.

That being said, the lobbyist that cover Parliament Hill H of C and the Senate are going to have the upper hand in true political power and leaving the voter to live with whos political message is the most believable to base their decision going forward. 

So I think money makes the party not promises.

Just my opinion!

[taxme]

What do people here think about The People's Party of Canada with Maxine Bernier as leader? Maxine Bernier appears to be much more conservative than O'Tool could ever be. I would like to see the PPC take at least a few seats to be able to start to speak for conservative Canadians in parliament. The rest of those political party's are all just a bunch of leftist liberals or socialists with probably a few communists thrown in there for good measure. 

Derek Sloan was a real and true conservative also and look at what the party has done to him. They have treated him like garbage as they did with Bernier also. If all of those so called conservatives got together out there and truly do want to have a real and true conservative party in Canada then all they have to do is vote for Bernier. Bernier will then be able to kick globalist comrade Trudeau's ass out of parliament for good. 

Otherwise, conservatives will probably never see real conservatism in Canada ever again especially with O'Tool as leader. O'Tool is just another liberal conservative and a puppet on a string for the globalists. If you want true conservatism in Canada then you have and must vote for a conservative like Maxine Bernier.

Otherwise, all you people out there that like to call yourselves conservative and are all in for O'Tool you should all just shut the hell up because you are never going to get real conservatism in Canada from that Tool. That I can guarantee you. 

Before you have something nasty to say about Bernier all you conservatives out there should first go and visit the PPC website where one will find out for themselves that Bernier is a real and true conservative. 

What I would truly like to know from some conservatives here is as to what they think about Maxine Berneir and his PPC party. It would be much appreciated.