Petition to Remove Churchill Street Name

[eyeball]

On 6/12/2020 at 9:38 AM, Army Guy said:

Were you not just a couple of post ago, screaming bloody blue murder that Canada has a major problem with systematic racism....and countries like Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and dozens upon dozens more they only have a few amongst all of them, have you been to any of these countries and spent some time in them, for you it's just white conservatives that can be racist....time to get back in your tree before the crazy white people come back..

You were just screaming bloody blue murder about hundreds of thousands racists being imported into Canada but now you've moved the goalposts outside of Canada to counter my response that there are no doubt a few racists amongst the hundreds of thousands of immigrants.  I suspect most of the racists we do import are racist because of their conservative outlook which is why I've long said we should be screening immigrants for ideology as much as anything.

[Argus]

On 6/12/2020 at 11:23 AM, eyeball said:

No we're not, I'm fairly certain there are a few amongst them but I highly doubt its anywhere near what you're alleging. In any case I have no issue with deporting any when they're proven to be racist.

Our primary source countries for immigration are extremely racist by our standards In fact, India is probably the most racist country on Earth, and it's our number one source country. China is extraordinarily racist, as well, So is Pakistan. There is no reason to think that the people coming from these places are going to have different views that what is the norm where they were born and raised. And we do ZERO screening for this sort of attitude. Therefore, they are bringing it with them. We don't hear about it in the media but that's because it doesn't fit the media narrative, which is focused almost exclusively on white racism, homophobia, sexism, etc.

There was a revealing moment for the press a couple of months back. Someone dolled up their car for gay pride day, and was physically attacked by a man using homophobic slurs - caught on camera. I could see the media winding up for eager, full-throated coverage, the kind which would be included in national newscasts and discussed in stern voices on the political panel shows. And then... the story disappeared the next day. Never to be seen or heard from again.

The man arrested by police was a Muslim.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You were just screaming bloody blue murder about hundreds of thousands racists being imported into Canada but now you've moved the goalposts outside of Canada to counter my response that there are no doubt a few racists amongst the hundreds of thousands of immigrants.  I suspect most of the racists we do import are racist because of their conservative outlook which is why I've long said we should be screening immigrants for ideology as much as anything.

You are talking to the wrong person. He never mentioned the racists being imported. That was me. Calling it 'screaming blue murder' is, of course, a ludicrous, hysterical and dishonest description.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Argus

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Our primary source countries for immigration are extremely racist by our standards In fact, India is probably the most racist country on Earth, and it's our number one source country. China is extraordinarily racist, as well, So is Pakistan. There is no reason to think that the people coming from these places are going to have different views that what is the norm where they were born and raised. And we do ZERO screening for this sort of attitude. Therefore, they are bringing it with them.

Maybe they don't screen for it because its much rarer than you think.  Perhaps the reason to think these people will have different views is that so many are trying to flee racism.

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We don't hear about it in the media but that's because it doesn't fit the media narrative, which is focused almost exclusively on white racism, homophobia, sexism, etc.

Yes it's a big left-wing media-party globalist-commie plot.

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There was a revealing moment for the press a couple of months back. Someone dolled up their car for gay pride day, and was physically attacked by a man using homophobic slurs - caught on camera. I could see the media winding up for eager, full-throated coverage, the kind which would be included in national newscasts and discussed in stern voices on the political panel shows. And then... the story disappeared the next day. Never to be seen or heard from again.

The man arrested by police was a Muslim.

 

Homophobia is no better but it isn't racism.  I think it's more accurate and to the point to cast people who defer to being homophobic and racist as simply being assholes.  I don't believe they screen for that either.

[taxme]

On 6/11/2020 at 8:41 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Until the 1950's everyone was racist. We probably still are but in North America, it has been recognized as wrong. Before the war, it was pretty much accepted that the other races were inferior, no matter which race you belonged to. The Blackfeet oppressed, colonized and drove out the Kootenai from southern Alberta long before Europeans arrived. It is a pattern repeated all over the world. The Beaker people colonized and oppressed the indigenous people of England thousands of years ago. 

Churchill was a rare person who was not anti-Semitic. We tend to apply 21st century North American values to people who live(d) in a different universe.

All of this anti-white British racism crap going on these days is just another excuse to promote more anti-white British racism. This is just another episode of that story. Sadly, most white people have now accepted that they must all be racist, and that they must now all be forced to attend communist sensitivity classes and bend the knee to their new communist masters.

If there is anything that Canadian white people must do today is to have all of their British history removed from the public eye. Wanting to have the name of Churchill removed off of some boulevard is just another attack by the leftist and socialist communists on our Canadian British history. Just like it was an attack to remove the picture of our first Canadian Prime Minister off the Canadian ten dollar bill. It would appear as though that all things British appears to be under attack these days and must be gone.

I guess now that if the name were changed to some Indian Chief or french man from Quebec or some other foreigner well that will be okay. It would appear as though anything that has to do with or keeping the name of Churchill in Canada must go for racism sake. Welcome to the new anti-white British history in Canada. You want it, you got it. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 6/12/2020 at 2:08 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Only because he finally listened to Churchill after the failed attempt at appeasement.  Now that’s a word to consider as we discuss dismantling police forces and removing monuments.  

Appeasement made more sense than people may think today. Britain and France were still recovering from the extraordinary shock of WWI and were in no mood to fight Germany again. Without Russia they stood very little chance in a land war. WWII revealed what was the case already; together, the US and USSR had resources far greater than any European country. Hitler’s daft decision to declare war on them both sealed his fate. 

[taxme]

On 6/13/2020 at 2:23 AM, betsy said:

Lol.  Governments will cater to the wing-nuts.  

 

Everything is getting changed - even Gone with the Wind is getting some revisions.

   Lol.  Just heard Matthew McConaughey had just apoligized for being white!   

I'm telling you - it must be something in those bottled water!

Our now dear comrade Canadian leaders do want to have those wing nuts around. The more of those minority comrade wing nuts around the more control they can force on we the stunned sheeple. Everything is changing because we the sheeple are allowing this to happen and who refuse to fight for our freedoms anymore. Canadian patriotism/nationalism is now pretty much dead in Canada. The communists among us now appear to be winning the war against we the sheeple and our freedoms.  

Any white person that says that they are ashamed of their white skin color are traitors to their own white race. McConaughey is just one of those now bend the knees morons to his globalist and political communist masters. I guess that traitors like him would much prefer to live under communist slavery rather than live under conservative freedoms. I am but one white guy that will never bend the knee to the communist traitors who are now trying to steal and take away all of our freedoms from us all. I hope that the next time Macky boy does a commercial with a car that he accidentally takes a wrong turn and drives the car off some mountain cliff somewhere. People like him make me so dam mad and furious. 

It would appear as though the bottled water that most Canadians and Americans are drinking has been laced with communist prepared brainwashing juice to make we the sheeple become to docile to give a shite about anything anymore. We all appear to have become totally stupid and dopey as hell these days. Our dear comrade politicians must have that bottled water on sale these past few months because it would appear as though more no mind Canadians are drinking way too much of that water. Believe it or not. 

PS: There was this leftist liberal woman in the UK who was part of commie crowd of BLM fools that wanted to get rid of a statue of Churchill in some park in London somewhere. When she was asked as to who Winston Churchill was she said that she did not know who he was, and that she never met the man. WTH? She is just a prime example of a crazy left wing communist nut job out there who is so clueless and stunned about her British heritage and history.

Even in America, the BLM Antifa mobs wants to have some statues torn down of figures who even fought against slavery. Go figure. The world is going nuts in the head. And as long as the fools keep voting for the likes of globalist comrade Trudeau or vote for globalist democrat Biden, and the rest of those globalist leftist liberal communist political party's like the NDP and the greenies things will only get worse. It would appear as though that insanity is fast replacing sanity alright. Everything that has to do with our past British/European history must now be removed and replaced by a new globalist created history or else there never will be any peace. Just my opinion of course.  

[taxme]

54 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Appeasement made more sense than people may think today. Britain and France were still recovering from the extraordinary shock of WWI and were in no mood to fight Germany again. Without Russia they stood very little chance in a land war. WWII revealed what was the case already; together, the US and USSR had resources far greater than any European country. Hitler’s daft decision to declare war on them both sealed his fate. 

On the contrary. Hitler's fate was sealed when Hitler decided to try and take on the pro-communist Stalin globalists on Wall Street. It was the globalists on Wall Street that financed the Bolshevik revolution in Russia in 1917. Stalin and communism was more of a bigger threat to America and the rest of the world than Hitler could ever be. But yet Churchill's Britain and Rosevelt's America decided that they would go along with communist Stalin instead, and because of that, half of Europe was handed over to the Stalin communists after the war was over and which destroyed and murdered millions of innocent people in those countries handed over to Stalin. Why people like you get more upset over Hitler and not Stalin is beyond me. 

In some ways maybe the statue of Churchill should be removed because of what Churchill did when he decided to join with Stalin rather than Hitler who did want to destroy communist Stalin. Nazism and communism did not go hand in hand. Hitler hated communism. So, right now I am up in the air as to whether Churchill's statue should to stay up or be brought done. 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid personal attacks. 

[Rue]

This is a complex issue so I will simply say to call Churchill a racist now as part of the reaction to the Floyd shooting is ill conceived and I refer to this article:

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/502684-winston-churchill-was-many-things-but-racist-was-not-one-of-them

He was also accused of being an anti-semite but I would argue he was not:

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-135/myth-and-reality-what-did-churchill-really-think-about-the-jews/

Calling him a bigot would be far too simplistic. A man like him hated everyone equally. From what emerges is he loved his wife and children but other than whiskey he had no fondness for anything  or anyone although he developed a genuine friendship with King George.

Great leaders like Churchill are by nature depressive. They have great moods of despair and react to that despair with gut idealism. Their sense of depression would be far more deep in context to define people by just skin colour or ancestry.

Sure you can remove his words from their full context and take them literally. You won't get the full story.

This is a man who defeated one of the worst racist haters life will ever know. To do that he could not be a racist. You can not defeat what you are only what you never wish to be.

 

 

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Rue

[Argus]

On 6/14/2020 at 2:05 PM, eyeball said:

Maybe they don't screen for it because its much rarer than you think.  Perhaps the reason to think these people will have different views is that so many are trying to flee racism.

Most of the Indians I see are lighter skinned Hindus. They are not the victims of racism. They're the beneficiaries of it, the people with money and education.

On 6/14/2020 at 2:05 PM, eyeball said:

Yes it's a big left-wing media-party globalist-commie plot.

It's not so much a plot as it is the similarity of a media which is made up of comfortable middle class people who all went to the same journalism schools dominated by left wing professors.

On 6/14/2020 at 2:05 PM, eyeball said:

Homophobia is no better but it isn't racism.  I think it's more accurate and to the point to cast people who defer to being homophobic and racist as simply being assholes.  I don't believe they screen for that either.

And why shouldn't we? We can screen for attitudes and beliefs. And we damned well should when we're talking about replacing half the population of this country with foreigners with the attitudes, values and beliefs of the people of these countries.

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 hours ago, Rue said:

This is a man who defeated one of the worst racist haters life will ever know. To do that he could not be a racist. You can not defeat what you are only what you never wish to be.

We can agree Hitler was far more racist, given what he did, but Churchill’s many imperialistic statements have not aged well. From that viewpoint, Churchill was a man behind his time, a 19th century figure who lived to see his beloved empire destroyed and Britain become a very junior partner in the so-called special relationship with the US. 
 

Anyway, I don’t know why we are so concerned about the presence or absence of any racism at all rather than overt racist acts. We are all racist to some extent, all tribal. The trick is to control that tendency. 
 

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[Independent1986]

On 6/11/2020 at 11:51 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I don’t think we should be erasing the past.  

Once we erase the past we have no way to measure progress since there is no initial point.

What is happening today is not about justice, is about an attempt to change the status quo which a lot in the middle class will not stand for, in my opinion

Edited June 20, 2020 by Independent1986

[eyeball]

On 6/11/2020 at 8:51 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I don’t think we should be erasing the past.  

No one is erasing the past people are simply rescinding honours given to individuals they no longer feel deserve to be honoured.  This is why one should heed the wisdom of being on the right side of history.

Edited June 21, 2020 by eyeball

[Shady]

On 6/11/2020 at 1:05 AM, eyeball said:

From the article

Sound like we should be thankful he didn't declare an alliance with Hitler.

So what?  We named ol'Tom Douglas the greatest Canadian.  He was also a great racist and eugenicist. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Shady

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Shady said:

So what?  We named ol'Tom Douglas the greatest Canadian.  He was also a great racist and eugenicist. 

Do something about it then.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Do something about it then.

Nope.  I'm not North American taliban.  I don't have to destroy historical monuments.  I understand the context of history.

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, Shady said:

Nope.  I'm not North American taliban.  I don't have to destroy historical monuments.  I understand the context of history.

  Ha !  I liked that.  It made me think, at least a little.

The Taliban wanted to destroy images that disrespected Islam, ie. ancient statues erected as tributes to ancient gods.  They weren't against religion.  The anti-Andrew Jackson and such people want to eliminate public tributes to people who perpetuated slavery.  I suppose that has to do with slavery still seen as being a relevant social issue that echoes today.

I don't think that everyone who didn't work to end slavery should be erased from history, far from it.  Lincoln did not see the races as equal either.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

  Ha !  I liked that.  It made me think, at least a little.

The Taliban wanted to destroy images that disrespected Islam, ie. ancient statues erected as tributes to ancient gods.  They weren't against religion.  The anti-Andrew Jackson and such people want to eliminate public tributes to people who perpetuated slavery.  I suppose that has to do with slavery still seen as being a relevant social issue that echoes today.

I don't think that everyone who didn't work to end slavery should be erased from history, far from it.  Lincoln did not see the races as equal either.

It's not their statues to take down.  Regardless, historical context is important.  And now the North American Taliban is removing Jefferson, Adams, Washington and Lincoln statues.  They're completely insane now.  No, that's not true, you should read Team of Rivals, it's a great book on Lincoln.  You should also read the Lincoln/Douglas debates.

[Zeitgeist]

On 6/21/2020 at 1:22 AM, eyeball said:

No one is erasing the past people are simply rescinding honours given to individuals they no longer feel deserve to be honoured.  This is why one should heed the wisdom of being on the right side of history.

You and everyone on this forum will be declared on the wrong side of history.  It’s a matter of time.  Nevertheless, we don’t ask that the anti-semitic triumphal arch that the Romans built be removed.  We recognize that the same civilization that threw the Christians to the lions invented concrete and progressed in its own context, one which is unfathomable to people today who don’t understand the value of protecting historic artefacts.

Edited June 25, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You and everyone on this forum will be declared on the wrong side of history.  It’s a matter of time.

Meh. 3/4 of us including the right-wingers have been declared commies so...that in itself is pretty much enough to put you on the wrong side of everything. 

[taxme]

On 6/18/2020 at 8:22 AM, Rue said:

This is a complex issue so I will simply say to call Churchill a racist now as part of the reaction to the Floyd shooting is ill conceived and I refer to this article:

https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/502684-winston-churchill-was-many-things-but-racist-was-not-one-of-them

He was also accused of being an anti-semite but I would argue he was not:

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-135/myth-and-reality-what-did-churchill-really-think-about-the-jews/

Calling him a bigot would be far too simplistic. A man like him hated everyone equally. From what emerges is he loved his wife and children but other than whiskey he had no fondness for anything  or anyone although he developed a genuine friendship with King George.

Great leaders like Churchill are by nature depressive. They have great moods of despair and react to that despair with gut idealism. Their sense of depression would be far more deep in context to define people by just skin colour or ancestry.

Sure you can remove his words from their full context and take them literally. You won't get the full story.

This is a man who defeated one of the worst racist haters life will ever know. To do that he could not be a racist. You can not defeat what you are only what you never wish to be.

 

 

 

Where or why or how was someone like Hitler a racist? What did Hitler ever say or do to give you the impression that Hitler was a racist? There was this certain ethnic group of people that he did not like nor trusted but that does not have to mean that the guy was a racist. As far as I know and read Hitler was someone who was only interested and concerned about trying to promote and protect his white German Aryan race. Why do people like yourself always want to call people like Hitler a racist for doing what he thought he needed to do to try and save his Aryan race is beyond me. I guess that if one is white, in your opinion, and who dares to try to do such a thing, well they must and have to be seen as being a white racist. 

I like how most people overlook the fact that the Islamic religion is one of the most racist of them all. Islam despises Judaism, and that religion wants to eliminate Jews off the face of the earth. But I doubt that you would find that racist at all, right? But of course the real big bad non-racist person of all in history was Hitler. Such utter nonsense. Why don't more people like you get over your HDS(Hitler derangement syndrome)and get on with life.

There are plenty more nasty and racist world leaders alive out there today that need to be exposed as the real big bad people. Churchill was no angel. Churchill even turned down having any kinds of piece talks with Hitler which could have probably saved millions of innocent people from dying. Hitler wanted to attack and destroy Stalin's communism but yet Churchill decided to go with communist Stalin, Churchill's biggest threat to his country. Go figure. People need to do more history reading before they start to attack people like Hitler all the time. Just saying.

[Transportfan]

On 6/11/2020 at 6:00 PM, Argus said:

The Left hates our past, our traditions, and our values. It has this belief that once they're all cast down they will be able to build a new society, a utopia without racism, discrimination or economic disparity.

New member here.

I hate to say this, but a society actually needs some mild racism (and intolerance in general) to stay healthy. A strong society needs to be cohesive and have aloofness about other cultures and sexual orientation to avoid cultural displacement and moral deviancy. A civilization is at its ascendancy when it has this. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Transportfan
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[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Transportfan said:

New member here.

I hate to say this, but a society actually needs some mild racism (and intolerance in general) to stay healthy. A strong society needs to be cohesive and have aloofness about other cultures and sexual orientation to avoid cultural displacement and moral deviancy. A civilization is at its ascendancy when it has this. 

What if you're the one they are intolerant of?

Race and culture are two completely different things.  There's nothing wrong with being completely disgusted by other cultures, and striving to keep those aspects of them one finds abhorrent out of one's own culture is a laudable goal. (Of course, it helps to acknowledge cultural and moral deviancy in one's own culture and work to remove that too)

But race?  Why would anyone give a toss about race?  Same with sexual orientation.  I think it takes personal biases to worry about those.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Transportfan said:

New member here.

I hate to say this, but a society actually needs some mild racism (and intolerance in general) to stay healthy. A strong society needs to be cohesive and have aloofness about other cultures and sexual orientation to avoid cultural displacement and moral deviancy. A civilization is at its ascendancy when it has this. 

Welcome aboard.

Nationalism is, today, held as a bad thing, because it can lead to a bad end. But almost everything can lead to bad ends. Nationalism, the sense of brotherhood and belonging people get from their nation, is one of the things which tells someone who they are, especially now that religion has largely gone. With that nationalism, and patriotism, comes a certain sense of being special, which inevitably leads to a degree of chauvinism about others.  This is how tribalism works, and we are, at core, tribal creatures. If we didn't think our nation was better than others we wouldn't have much pride in it. Unfortunately, Trudeau, and others of his ilk, have done everything they can to rob Canadians in any pride in their history, institutions, culture, values or traditions. They don't want us feeling we're better than anyone else - than ANYONE else at all.

I think we need a certain balance. I think the pendulum has swung too far. There needs to be something between making homosexuality illegal and having bare assed freaks parade down the street. There needs to be something between calling men who dress as women weirdos and having them reading to six year olds in libraries. There needs to be a medial standard between respecting people of all races and genders and forcing organizations to hire and promote people based on race and sex. And there needs to be an acceptance that we are, in fact, a nation, with a history, culture and traditions worth preserving, and that it would be a bad thing to see it all washed away in a flood of foreigners.