Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shady said: We’ve closed down the entire provincial economy for a month and counting for 200 deaths. Ontario’s covid mortality rate is currently 0.03%. And we’ve destroyed the livelihoods of millions of people. Totally makes sense right. 1) Certain parts of the economy have been shut down. Not the entire economy. 2) Who's livelihoods have been destroyed? Banks are allowing deferred mortgages and evictions are banned. The Feds are assisting just about everyone that's lost their job. 3) Are you saying the low mortality rate means that COVID-19 isn't a threat? The idea that our Healthcare system hasn't collapsed like elsewhere in the world is a testament to how well we've done with this. Quote
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85753 https://www.businessinsider.com/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-wonder-drug-does-it-work-2020-4 Two. In twenty seconds. Are you telling me that in all the time since you first heard about HCQ you didn't bother to get off your ass and Google it? That's pathetic. It's not like you're not following the topic. From your second link: Quote The head of the American Medical Association, Dr. Patrice Harris, regards use of the drug for this purpose as dangerous, warns that it could kill you, and says she would not prescribe it. There are promising studies, but no conclusive stoday. Hyping it like Trump Fans have been is just creating false hope. It's snake oil sales. Edited April 9, 2020 by Boges Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shady said: We’ve closed down the entire provincial economy for a month and counting for 200 deaths. Ontario’s covid mortality rate is currently 0.03%. And we’ve destroyed the livelihoods of millions of people. Totally makes sense right. There must be a climate model out showing that the earth's temperature in 2020 will be cooler than last year (grand solar minimum perhaps?) so they need to shut down the planet, in order to make it look like the shutdown caused the global cooling. "When covid shut down the planet, it helped stop it from overheating!!!" Anecdotal evidence will be all that's necessary. "My grandma and her neighbour both said that it's colder in ther back yards than usual, since the covid shutdown." It's LEGIT! Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Shady Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, WestCanMan said: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85753 https://www.businessinsider.com/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-wonder-drug-does-it-work-2020-4 Two. In twenty seconds. Are you telling me that in all the time since you first heard about HCQ you didn't bother to get off your ass and Google it? That's pathetic. It's not like you're not following the topic. Anyone that asks for a study on hydroxychloroquine is being intellectually dishonest, as they should know that since the virus is new, there hasn’t been time to do a thorough study that takes several months. People are sick and dying now. To ask somebody dying now to wait until a study comes out, just because orange man is bad is as mentally deranged as I’ve ever heard. Doctors prescribe off label uses all of the time. But only with well known drugs. Hydroxychloroquine is a well known drug that’s been around for decades. Al, possible side effects are already known. Most people can use the drug without any problems. But it’s still only available by a prescription from a doctor. So I’m not sure what all the fuss is about. Other than because Trump suggested it might work based on evidence from other doctors. If Trump insisted that it shouldn’t be used, the same people, particularly in the mainstream media, would be finding all of the reasons that it should be. Unfortunately orange man bad takes up most people’s thought process during the current crisis. LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/ 1 Quote
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shady said: If Trump insisted that it shouldn’t be used, the same people, particularly in the mainstream media, would be finding all of the reasons that it should be. Unfortunately orange man bad takes up most people’s thought process during the current crisis. Trump has a track record of being intellectually dishonest so. . . Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: From your second link: That's just anecdotal evidence. She cited no source that says there's a mortality rate associated with HCQ when prescribed by a physician, and I couldn't find one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine Quote The most common adverse effects are a mild nausea and occasional stomach cramps with mild diarrhea. The most serious adverse effects affect the eye, with dose-related retinopathy as a concern even after hydroxychloroquine use is discontinued.[2] For short-term treatment of acute malaria, adverse effects can include abdominal cramps, diarrhea, heart problems, reduced appetite, headache, nausea and vomiting.[2] ..... One of the most serious side effects is retinopathy (generally with chronic use).[2][15] People taking 400 mg of hydroxychloroquine or less per day generally have a negligible risk of macular toxicity, whereas the risk begins to go up when a person takes the medication over five years or has a cumulative dose of more than 1000 grams. You're 100% wrong again Boges. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: Trump has a track record of being intellectually dishonest so. . . You accusing someone of dishonesty is like Trudeau accusing someone of narcissism. We can go into any thread that you like, that we've both participated in, to check your history of being accurate or loose with the facts. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Shady Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 Just now, WestCanMan said: You accusing someone of dishonesty is like Trudeau accusing someone of narcissism. We can go into any thread that you like, that we've both participated in, to check your history of being accurate or loose with the facts. Everything is about Trump. Even in topics that are suppose to be related to Canada. That’s how deranged these people are. Orange man bad 24/7. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 There's no doubt that there's derangement. But we know from Obama how people can become unhinged when they don't trust power. And Obama was sane, and competent ! 2 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: That's just anecdotal evidence. What do you think Trump's opinion of the drug us? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shady said: Everything is about Trump. Even in topics that are suppose to be related to Canada. That’s how deranged these people are. Orange man bad 24/7. It is amazing to watch...and read in this and other forums. Donald Trump blasts out so much energy it easily crosses the border and overshadows Trudeau. Orange man matters more than Blackface. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: You accusing someone of dishonesty is like Trudeau accusing someone of narcissism. We can go into any thread that you like, that we've both participated in, to check your history of being accurate or loose with the facts. Go ahead. I'll hang up and listen. Quote
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) I will concede the Thread Drift here is rather egregious Edited April 9, 2020 by Boges Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Boges said: What do you think Trump's opinion of the drug us? That it's offering hope of a successful treatment which doesn't require a long, drawn-out approval process from the FDA. A new drug is a long way from approval, but finding a previously-approved drug requires no such approval. Vaccinations are great, but they're even further off and they do absolutely nothing for people who already have covid. Dr Oz, America's doctor and the preferred Dr of ultra-leftist Oprah Winfrey, also has hope for HCQ. HCQ is also off-patent. Anyone can make it, so it's relatively cheap and no one person makes billions off of it. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Goddess Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Shady said: LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/ I read this article today. There's a few errors and holes, but since this virus twists and turns, it's worth a consideration. http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb 2 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Boges Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: That it's offering hope of a successful treatment which doesn't require a long, drawn-out approval process from the FDA. A new drug is a long way from approval, but finding a previously-approved drug requires no such approval. Vaccinations are great, but they're even further off and they do absolutely nothing for people who already have covid. Dr Oz, America's doctor and the preferred Dr of ultra-leftist Oprah Winfrey, also has hope for HCQ. HCQ is also off-patent. Anyone can make it, so it's relatively cheap and no one person makes billions off of it. Your citing Dr. Oz? And you aren't even really citing him. You're just saying he supports it. Studies need to be done before "responsible" people will advocate for something. That's just how the world works. If someone is on deaths door, sure, give them the drug. But that's not an effective long term treatment. TBH, I'd be more optimistic about evidence that blood/plasma serums seem to be effective. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/08/998700/blood-plasma-taken-from-covid-19-survivors-might-help-patients-fight-it-off/ Quote
Shady Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: I read this article today. There's a few errors and holes, but since this virus twists and turns, it's worth a consideration. http://web.archive.org/web/20200405061401/https://medium.com/@agaiziunas/covid-19-had-us-all-fooled-but-now-we-might-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb I agree, nobody knows conclusively if the drug has an effect on the virus. Real trials just started on it. Threre is some anecdotal evidence that it does have some effect. Smaller in some, larger in others. But people suggesting that it shouldn’t be considered because of side effects don’t know what they’re talking about. The side effects of this drug are completely known and have been for decades. Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Boges said: Your citing Dr. Oz? And you aren't even really citing him. You're just saying he supports it. Studies need to be done before "responsible" people will advocate for something. That's just how the world works. If someone is on deaths door, sure, give them the drug. But that's not an effective long term treatment. TBH, I'd be more optimistic about evidence that blood/plasma serums seem to be effective. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/08/998700/blood-plasma-taken-from-covid-19-survivors-might-help-patients-fight-it-off/ Yeah no shit. It's just hope. Plasma is better, but not nearly as cost effective, as it requires extensive hands-on treatment. If Hillary Clinton or Justin Trudeau finds the cure, and it's proven, I won't refuse to take it or downplay it. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
dialamah Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, WestCanMan said: What are the drastic side effects of HCQ? No pulse or blood pressure, among others. Doctor dies after taking hcq. Also, might be toxic for diabetes patients. Edited April 9, 2020 by dialamah Add example Quote
Argus Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Shady said: Anyone that asks for a study on hydroxychloroquine is being intellectually dishonest, as they should know that since the virus is new, there hasn’t been time to do a thorough study that takes several months. We've had several months now of doctors around the world trying this and if it was 'the cure' we would know it by now. It's not. It might help somewhat in certain cases. Trump is pushing it because Trump is a moron who likes simple answers and probably saw it on FOX or something. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Shady said: Everything is about Trump. Even in topics that are suppose to be related to Canada. That’s how deranged these people are. Orange man bad 24/7. The reason long off-topic arguments about Trump continue to infest non-American newsgroups is because of a few pathetic people who cry every morning when they wake up and find they're not Americans, along with one American troll, all fanatical members of the Trump cult who can't shut up about the wonders of their living god. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Shady said: We’ve closed down the entire provincial economy for a month and counting for 200 deaths. Ontario’s covid mortality rate is currently 0.03%. And we’ve destroyed the livelihoods of millions of people. Totally makes sense right. I volunteer you to be one of the guys gasping for breath in the hospital with a hose stuck down your throat for a few weeks. Go for it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 2 hours ago, dialamah said: No pulse or blood pressure The worst thing about that drug is that Trump likes it. Based on experience, everything he says is incorrect, or a deception. So why waste time looking into it ? If Trump likes it it must be a bad idea. That's how mistrust works. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Shady Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: I volunteer you to be one of the guys gasping for breath in the hospital with a hose stuck down your throat for a few weeks. Go for it. Use logic when you post, not emotion. Quote
Shady Posted April 9, 2020 Report Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Argus said: We've had several months now of doctors around the world trying this and if it was 'the cure' we would know it by now. It's not. It might help somewhat in certain cases. Trump is pushing it because Trump is a moron who likes simple answers and probably saw it on FOX or something. Italy’s been using with good results. So has France. New York is administering the drug to thousands of patients. But there hasn’t been the normal study done. You will never know either way until a study under proper controls is done. Regardless of what you hear from doctors. Quote
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