The Coronavirus

[dialamah]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Really ?  Because you have also stated that U.S. government(s) are much better at fisheries management....so which is it ?

Did you fail "thinking 101"?     As if a government couldn't be good at some things, while still being complete failures at other things.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Did you fail "thinking 101"?     As if a government couldn't be good at some things, while still being complete failures at other things.  

 

So you agree that Canadian government(s) are not necessarily better...thanks for playing !

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

Probably because there's such a huge yahoo population that mistrusts and hates it's government's guts

The CNN crowd. Antifa. BLM. Yahoo is too kind a word. A combination of drooling idiots and violent drooling idiots.

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- a bunch of fake news religious hooey

It's sad, but I agree with you. Some people are so sucked in by CNN that CNN's lies become their dogma. 

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and disdain for scientific expertise on top of that certainly doesn't help.

Disdain for scientific expertise is a tricky topic. 

Theoretically an organization like the WHO would have centuries and billions of dollars worth of scientific, medical and epidemiological expertise, but Taiwan, SoKo, etc showed complete disdain for everything that the WHO advised and it served them quite well. 

In the year 2020, when the world's "leading" authority on disease prevention gives out nothing but bad advice, whom can you trust?

Trump did far better than Trudeau at disregarding the WHO, but a lot of Canadians preferred Trudeau's pro-virus strategy of: "Do nothing for the first two months, then when the virus has entrenched itself in our country, copy the USA."

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If an authoritarian dictatorship can barely contain COVID a libertarian democracy doesn't have a chance.

It definitely seems the sneakier or stupider your government is the worse it can be too. 

Trudeau did kind of run the country from his own basement, like Hitler did from his bunker at the end of WWII, and he maxed the stupidity aspect as usual, but our geography was still able to save us. Luckily young, healthy people don't get very sick from this one.

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The CNN crowd. Antifa. BLM. Yahoo is too kind a word. A combination of drooling idiots and violent drooling idiots.

It's sad, but I agree with you. Some people are so sucked in by CNN that CNN's lies become their dogma. 

Disdain for scientific expertise is a tricky topic. 

Theoretically an organization like the WHO would have centuries and billions of dollars worth of scientific, medical and epidemiological expertise, but Taiwan, SoKo, etc showed complete disdain for everything that the WHO advised and it served them quite well. 

In the year 2020, when the world's "leading" authority on disease prevention gives out nothing but bad advice, whom can you trust?

Trump did far better than Trudeau at disregarding the WHO, but a lot of Canadians preferred Trudeau's pro-virus strategy of: "Do nothing for the first two months, then when the virus has entrenched itself in our country, copy the USA."

Trudeau did kind of run the country from his own basement, like Hitler did from his bunker at the end of WWII, and he maxed the stupidity aspect as usual, but our geography was still able to save us. Luckily young, healthy people don't get very sick from this one.

I guess that you have not heard or been told by the Canadian fake and lying media as of yet that globalist Geo. Soros backs and owns the lab in China where this China virus came from.

Interesting indeed. 

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The CNN crowd. Antifa. BLM. Yahoo is too kind a word. A combination of drooling idiots and violent drooling idiots.

It's sad, but I agree with you. Some people are so sucked in by CNN that CNN's lies become their dogma. 

Disdain for scientific expertise is a tricky topic. 

Theoretically an organization like the WHO would have centuries and billions of dollars worth of scientific, medical and epidemiological expertise, but Taiwan, SoKo, etc showed complete disdain for everything that the WHO advised and it served them quite well. 

In the year 2020, when the world's "leading" authority on disease prevention gives out nothing but bad advice, whom can you trust?

Trump did far better than Trudeau at disregarding the WHO, but a lot of Canadians preferred Trudeau's pro-virus strategy of: "Do nothing for the first two months, then when the virus has entrenched itself in our country, copy the USA."

Trudeau did kind of run the country from his own basement, like Hitler did from his bunker at the end of WWII, and he maxed the stupidity aspect as usual, but our geography was still able to save us. Luckily young, healthy people don't get very sick from this one.

Stop trying to paint Trump as the lead on fighting the virus.  If anything, the US federal response has been confusing and disinformative.  The WHO did important work, if imperfect.  Canada is not a leader in fighting C-19 internationally, but it may be leading the way among western countries with similarly open societies.  We’re certainly looking much more like Germany than Italy, US, UK, France, Spain, and Sweden.  Now, it does vary province to province.  Central Canada is more of a worry, especially Quebec.  Density increases risk, yet some dense cities have performed better than others.  

[bush_cheney2004]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stop trying to paint Trump as the lead on fighting the virus.  If anything, the US federal response has been confusing and disinformative.  The WHO did important work, if imperfect. 

 

The WHO also failed in very important ways....failure to declare a pandemic soon enough....failure to quickly announce human-to-human transmission....and failure to endorse travel bans.

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The WHO also failed in very important ways....failure to declare a pandemic soon enough....failure to quickly announce human-to-human transmission....and failure to endorse travel bans.

Travel bans are set by countries.  The reality is that China was mostly in lockdown anyway during the selective travel ban.  It was a measure, one I support, but the bigger issues are policies around testing, isolation, contact tracing, and social distancing, which require clear widespread messaging, access to test kits, data, PPE, etc.  Stop thanking the kid who hasn’t helped around the house much for cutting the grass one day two months ago.  It’s one measure.

The WHO didn’t have all the answers and is still figuring out the virus and best practices for eliminating or containing it.  It does more internationally than anyone else to stop the spread.  

Edited April 29, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Travel bans are set by countries.  The reality is that China was mostly in lockdown anyway during the selective travel ban.  It was a measure, one I support, but the bigger issues are policies around testing, isolation, contact tracing, and social distancing, which require clear widespread messaging, access to test kits, data, PPE, etc.  Stop thanking the kid who hasn’t helped around the house much for cutting the grass one day two months ago.  It’s one measure.

 

It's an important early measure that the WHO declared as ineffective and not recommended because of other negative consequences. 

Now we have travel bans in place long after the virus left the barn.

 

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The WHO didn’t have all the answers and is still figuring out the virus and best practices for eliminating or containing it.  It does more internationally than anyone else to stop the spread.  

 

The WHO has demonstrated such failures and compromises in the past (e.g. Ebola).   Whatever they did obviously was not enough and the organization needs major reform.    By the way, we are now wearing masks too....sorry WHO.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It's an important early measure that the WHO declared as ineffective and not recommended because of other negative consequences. 

Now we have travel bans in place long after the virus left the barn.

 

 

The WHO has demonstrated such failures and compromises in the past (e.g. Ebola).   Whatever they did obviously was not enough and the organization needs major reform.    By the way, we are now wearing masks too....sorry WHO.

 

Well a month ago it was nearly impossible to find N95 masks and health care workers had to reuse what they had.  I think the tepid support of masks made sense at that time to prevent a run on masks, which can still create a false sense of security.  Yes, it’s better to have a face covering than not to have one.  There’s still concern that wearing a mask causes people to touch their face more often.  Context matters. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Really ?  Because you have also stated that U.S. government(s) are much better at fisheries management....so which is it ?

Your fisheries yahoos are winning and working their way down the food-chain like anyone else.

As far as COVID goes though, the US is the clear loser.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well a month ago it was nearly impossible to find N95 masks and health care workers had to reuse what they had.  I think the tepid support of masks made sense at that time to prevent a run on masks, which can still create a false sense of security.  Yes, it’s better to have a face covering than not to have one.  There’s still concern that wearing a mask causes people to touch their face more often.  Context matters. 

 

We made our own masks !    Or had sufficient numbers of other consumer grade mask product to use.  

All I am saying is that the very things that the WHO told us not to do...we are doing now in spades.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Your fisheries yahoos are winning and working their way down the food-chain like anyone else.

As far as COVID goes though, the US is the clear loser.

 

Loser compared to what ?    California (larger population than Canada) is doing better on COVID, so California has a better government than Canada or its provinces ?    Yep...must be true....Canada is the loser compared to California.

[eyeball]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

Loser compared to what ?

Canada. Haven't you been paying attention?

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Canada. Haven't you been paying attention?

 

Right...California has a better government than Canada based on COVID....haven't you heard ?

[WestCanMan]

51 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Stop trying to paint Trump as the lead on fighting the virus.  If anything, the US federal response has been confusing and disinformative.  

Trump wasn't the lead on fighting the virus. I acknowledged that Taiwan and SoKo did a far better job from a worse predicament.

Trump was definitely ahead of the WHO and Trudeau, I have multiple videos to prove it.

When the WHO was saying that there was no H2H, travel didn't need to be restricted and masks shouldn't be worn, Trump was at least smart enough to block travel. Trudeau didn't even do that.

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The WHO did important work, if imperfect.  

WRONG.

The WHO gave out THE WORST ADVICE POSSIBLE. Like I said before, if they were actually trying to start a pandemic they wouldn't have done anything differently.

"H2H transmission isn't happening, don't wear masks, don't ban travellers from the covid-rich environment."

Taiwan and SoKo did the exact opposite of what the WHO said and they turned out to be the rock stars of fighting covid.

 

Why is it that you think that Trump did so poorly when he was smarter than the WHO? Why is it that you prefer Trudeau's stye of doing absolutely nothing until we had to shut the whole country down? Why are you judging Trump, a politician, more harshly than the WHO, the world's "defence" against pandemics?" The WHO doesn't even get a 0/10. The WHO gets a negative 3 out of ten. They sucked in our PM and our top public heath officials. Our PM did so poorly that Xi patted him on the head. 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Right...California has a better government than Canada based on COVID....haven't you heard ?

No I pay closer attention to BC. BC's government is better than Canada's too.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The WHO also failed in very important ways....failure to declare a pandemic soon enough....failure to quickly announce human-to-human transmission....and failure to endorse travel bans.

Everyone failed to some degree.  The issue now is who's failing the most when it comes to sloughing off their own failures and Trump takes the cake almost every-single time. Almost.

Xi Jinping ultimately bears the greatest responsibility of any human being on Earth for his failure - and Trump praised Jinping and his government no less than 15 times in January and February.  Trump is merely the stupidest human being on the planet when it comes to deflecting blame but of course everyone knew that years ago.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Everyone failed to some degree.  The issue now is who's failing the most when it comes to sloughing off their own failures and Trump takes the cake almost every-single time. Almost.

.....Trump is merely the stupidest human being on the planet when it comes to deflecting blame but of course everyone knew that years ago.

 

Sure...Trump is responsible for anything bad that happens....even in Canada.

Doesn't matter that Trump evacuated Canadians from Wuhan before their own government could.  

Trump...Trump...Trump.     He dominates the Canadian psyche...for years now.

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure...Trump is responsible for anything bad that happens....even in Canada.

No, he's only responsible for himself. 

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Sure...Trump is responsible for anything bad that happens....even in Canada.

Doesn't matter that Trump evacuated Canadians from Wuhan before their own government could.  

Trump...Trump...Trump.     He dominates the Canadian psyche...for years now.

BTW why did you leave Jinping out of the equation, you still think Trump was right to spend a couple months carrying water for him before changing his mind?

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

BTW why did you leave Jinping out of the equation, you still think Trump was right to spend a couple months carrying water for him before changing his mind?

 

He didn't....Trump called the virus out for its Chinese origin and was criticized for doing so.

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

He didn't....Trump called the virus out for its Chinese origin and was criticized for doing so.

Pfffht...Li Wenliang did that way back in December. Trump didn't follow suit until the amount of bullshit he was being called on simply couldn't be ignored any longer. 

Li Wenliang was criticized too.  I won't be surprised when Trump drapes a flag bearing Li Wenliang's face around his shoulders and try's top bask in the shine of Wenliang's heroism.

Edited April 29, 2020 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, eyeball said:

Pfffht...Li Wenliang did that way back in December. Trump didn't follow suit until the amount of bullshit he was being called out simply couldn't be ignored any longer. 

 

 

Yes he did, and Trudeau never would commit.   The Trudeau government was still carrying water for the WHO well into April.

 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Yes he did, 

And Trump's last chance to finally do something Presidential and decent during his utterly worthless existence was to come to Li Wenliang's defence and potentially the world's. Trump should have said "Wait a minute what did that guy say" - "where's that report about something potentially cataclysmic again"?

[Guest ProudConservative]

Taxme is right. The virus is a what he calls a plandemic. The virus is real, the spread was planned at a globalist takeover. Now our governments are playing russian routlette by prolonging the shutdown, and closing the the food production facilities.

You can't let the cure be worse than the disease. Poverty and starvation can kill more people than a pandemic.

I agree with a 3 week global shutdown, but this is going on 2 months now. If we don't reopen the economy fast, more people are going to suffer. If the government keeps this up, will have no choice but to have massive protest by June. 

Democide is more dangerous than a pandemic.

If you get covid 19, you most likely will live... If you run out of food, or can't pay your bill... you starve. We need force everyone to wear masks, and let most people go back to work.

As far as protecting seniors, why isn't the government droping off food at their homes? There are lots of unemployeeds healthy Canadians... Maybe hire them, and have them delivery food to their doors, so they don't have to risk getting infected at the growcery stores.

All this time, and Canada still is asking China to send masks. Can't we get Canada to manufacture mask? If Trudeau can afford to give Canadians $2000 a month for 4 months, why can't Canada afford to manufacture their own masks? I told you all back in Feburary... It would be cheaper to manufature a biosuit for every Canadian, than shutdown the economy. You all laughed at me, but that is the only way to avoid shutdowns in the future.

Can't scientist figure out a way to give people a controlled dose of the virus, so they can build immunity? What about an injection in the foot, so you're body has enough time to produce antibodies?

Edited April 29, 2020 by ProudConservative