The Coronavirus

[Independent1986]

19 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, just what change has globalism done that has been great for the rest of the world? Globalism is pretty much rapism. Globalism has not done a bloody thing to bring so many poor people in poor countries out of poverty. The globalists go into a country and try to suck the life out of any country that globalism can get their greedy money power crazy hands on. Wherever they go they bring more havoc and mayhem. No one can work with globalism unless they are only there to try and profit themselves and make plenty of money and take power of a country that will let them come on in. Globalists do not work with the people of any country. They work for the benefit for themselves and their bottom line, and power grab. 

Trump must have giving a dam about the middle class because the middle class was doing well before this fake plandemic came along and pretty much destroyed millions of good paying middle class wages. The globalists were behind this plandemic hoax and are the ones now totally responsible for the tens of millions of north Americans who have lost their jobs and are out of work. Trump was not responsible for that, Mac. Globalists are responsible for that.

But as usual with leftist liberals like you, it has to be all Trump's fault now for this plandemic no matter what. Never let a good opportunity go by where people like you can now blame Trump for everything going on today. It just becomes so obvious and automatic with people like you. Attack-attack and attack Trump some more. Leftist liberal are not exactly people that should ever want to listen to or believe anymore. They have proven themselves over and over again as to how to become great liars and bull spreaders. 

The leftist liberal MSM are just telling people like you things that you want to hear. So, what is your point here, fella? Tens of thousands of jobs are and have been taken away from Americans along with new AI jobs also. Those illegal foreigners will work for less than what your average North Americans are willing to work for. North Americans will work and want a decent wage for their labor, not peanut slave wages. And I suppose that you will call yourself a patriot, eh? I believe that you have no idea as to what patriotism really means and is all about. Just my opinion of course. You no doubt believe that this corona virus is all for real just shows me that you are not that much up at all on this virus, right? 

 

I criticize Trump when he does stupid things and I say bravo when he does something good. Because that is the beauty of democracy. You get to not be a sheep. 

In regards to liberalism, i don't belong to a cult or a movement, I am just an individual.

In regards to patriotism, I am from Toronto and loyal to Canada, you are from Vancouver and loyal to the USA, sorry, to Trump. I am more of a nationalist than you are.

[Tdot]

46 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:

I criticize Trump when he does stupid things

This is a. False statement.

You criticize Trump whenever the MSM has, duped you, into thinking he did something stupid. So that is a slight against you, and not against Trump, since he has no control over your lusts to be hoodwinked by the Dem's MSM.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Tdot

[-TSS-]

I'm afraid there will be a lot of deaths from usually treatable diseases but which are taking the back-seat now as all medical attention is focused on the coronavirus.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

I'm afraid there will be a lot of deaths from usually treatable diseases but which are taking the back-seat now as all medical attention is focused on the coronavirus.

Yes..that is a very valid concern.  and probably for several reasons.  People  who have medical problem  might not  want to  see a physician  or go to emergency  for fear of contracting the virus. Of course the medical staff has been  consume with dealing with the virus.........so other  ailments   fall into  the back ground.  

Are things getting under some kind of control in Finland?? Do you have a re opening   program??

 

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Imagine the economic carnage we'd have been faced with if virtue-signalling worry-warts had been given rein to maintain capability.  Probably not quite as bad as climate change action would have been but certainly enough to keep us in a near constant state of recession.

Err... did you forget your darling sweetness Greta Thunberg? Europe's Wunder-Krisstkind? The new darling of CNN, wasn't getting enough air time to ease her fretting. No doubt some big daddy with a big paycheck paid for her to get some airtime. And since CNN has absolutely zero journalistic standards... Rest assured they are working on i!

[Guest]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

Fox news tells me the truth unlike those other lying and fake news MSM liars like CNN, MSNBC, and CBC that you appear enjoying and listening too. They have been caught in so many lies that it would take a thousand pages to point them all out. 

Fox  news is Trumps  favorite media outlet  too.  As  I said before:  I prefer  BBC   Sky news,  Reuters   & PBS.......as they take a more worldly approach  Everyone has their own preferences.

The only ones  I would classify as  "fake" news  are the silly tabloids.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Err... did you forget your darling sweetness Greta Thunberg? Europe's Wunder-Krisstkind? The new darling of CNN, wasn't getting enough air time to ease her fretting. No doubt some big daddy with a big paycheck paid for her to get some airtime. And since CNN has absolutely zero journalistic standards... Rest assured they are working on i!

I have no idea what you're babbling about.

[Independent1986]

11 hours ago, Tdot said:

This is a. False statement.

You criticize Trump whenever the MSM has, duped you, into thinking he did something stupid. So that is a slight against you, and not against Trump, since he has no control over your lusts to be hoodwinked by the Dem's MSM.

So everyone that criticizes Trump is because they get brainwashed by the MSM ? That makes sense  Is called critical thinking, something that the extremes lack of.  Every time Trump is mentioned your program kicks in to defend him and if I applaud Trump the far left wing program kicks in to criticize them. Basic programming 101 :)))

Edited May 21, 2020 by Independent1986

[OftenWrong]

Here is the outcome of long-term shutdown. I've been telling you for months, the road to hell is paved with naivete.

Every line in this article is worth quoting, but I will resist. Please read it.

600 Doctors Raise Alarm in Letter to Trump

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More than 600 doctors signed onto a letter sent to President Trump Tuesday pushing him to end the "national shutdown" aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus, calling the widespread state orders keeping businesses closed and kids home from school a "mass casualty incident" with "exponentially growing health consequences."

The letter outlines a variety of consequences that the doctors have observed resulting from the coronavirus shutdowns, including patients missing routine checkups that could detect things like heart problems or cancer, increases in substance and alcohol abuse, and increases in financial instability that could lead to "poverty and financial uncertainty," which "is closely linked to poor health."

"We are alarmed at what appears to be the lack of consideration for the future health of our patients," the doctors say in their letter. "The downstream health effects ... are being massively under-estimated and under-reported. This is an order of magnitude error."

The letter continues: "The millions of casualties of a continued shutdown will be hiding in plain sight, but they will be called alcoholism, homelessness, suicide, heart attack, stroke, or kidney failure. In youths it will be called financial instability, unemployment, despair, drug addiction, unplanned pregnancies, poverty, and abuse.

"Because the harm is diffuse, there are those who hold that it does not exist. We, the undersigned, know otherwise."

It's an emergency on an international scale.

GOVERNMENTS: RESTORE ALL HEALTH SERVICES IMMEDIATELY!

 

[OftenWrong]

I told you people that the doctors in the cancer centre are screaming about their patients not getting treatment. I was hearing this anecdotally, but they could not be heard above the din of panic coming from the hysterical media, which has also put your minds into a panic-state lockdown. Because you are completely naive when it comes to medical matters, statistic, social function and you are totally naive about your comfortable situation. The people who need really important things, like Grandmothers who need hip surgery and die because of their sedentary isolation, or young women with mental illness who are denied their therapy overdose on fentanyl, they are not on a forum.

But you are naive about all of these things, and you remain in denial while it is here, now, in front of your nose. I suppose you will only become aware when it affects you directly.

For this, you dismissed me as a fool and called me Nazi. Well, look at all of you now.

Edited May 21, 2020 by OftenWrong

[Tdot]

1 hour ago, Independent1986 said:

So everyone that criticizes Trump is because they get brainwashed by the MSM ? That makes sense  Is called critical thinking, something that the extremes lack of.  Every time Trump is mentioned your program kicks in to defend him and if I applaud Trump the far left wing program kicks in to criticize them. Basic programming 101 :)))

You are a Dem. Therefore you only know how to tell lies and how to fleece the truth.

For example, I can find hundreds of times members here criticized Trump ---where I never ever said they were brainwashed by the MSM.  So that's one lie that you just told on me, to keep from addressing the facts. And every time Trump is mentioned I did not defend him, so that makes a second lie that you told on me here ---just to keep from addressing the facts.

[Tdot]

9 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

Fox  news is Trumps  favorite media outlet  too.  

Trump just criticized FOX-News in tweets last night, because unlike CNN msnbc WaPo etc, FOX pundits do criticize their Republican candidates ---whereas CNN will never criticize Dem candidates' evils.

[Independent1986]

48 minutes ago, Tdot said:

You are a Dem. Therefore you only know how to tell lies and how to fleece the truth.

For example, I can find hundreds of times members here criticized Trump ---where I never ever said they were brainwashed by the MSM.  So that's one lie that you just told on me, to keep from addressing the facts. And every time Trump is mentioned I did not defend him, so that makes a second lie that you told on me here ---just to keep from addressing the facts.

I am not a Dem. Take a few breaths and try to understand that there are people that can disagree with Trump and not be a left winger, Dem, Soros, New World Order. As a matter of fact I probably agree with around 50% of his policies. 

Your first sign that you might be in a cult, as any group thinking based environment is to take a look at your reaction. When someone from the outside tries to offer a different perspective you call him a DEM and every name under the sun because a cult, when it senses outside opinions that threatens the group, the reaction happens.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Independent1986

[Boges]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

I want full and non-restrictive openings. Not the restrictions like social distancing and not being able to go to sports events or concerts in huge crowds like we once were able to do. Now we are being taught as to how to de-socialize ourselves. Getting together in huge numbers is now considered a terrible thing to be wanting to do. Social distancing has nothing to do with keeping ones distance from others to be safe. It is more about control and do as we your dear comrade leaders say or else. Just saying. 

Well then maybe you should move to places that don't have any government structure. They won't enforce such public health policies. 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Stay on topic.  Avoid thread derailment. 

[New World Disorder]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

That suggests the wealthy have forgotten that social welfare is for their protection.  Oh well, time to dust off the AK47's I guess.

And people are wondering why the government wants to ban guns? To protect their rich elite masters.

[-TSS-]

14 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

Yes..that is a very valid concern.  and probably for several reasons.  People  who have medical problem  might not  want to  see a physician  or go to emergency  for fear of contracting the virus. Of course the medical staff has been  consume with dealing with the virus.........so other  ailments   fall into  the back ground.  

Are things getting under some kind of control in Finland?? Do you have a re opening   program??

 

We are slowly opening. We never had as strong restrictions as some other European countries.

The only restriction which I personally am waiting for to be lifted is that I really yearn to get to the gym again. I don't care about bars being shut until the end of the world.  Super-markets are open and there is beer.

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

So,  Does   Fox News  tell you  want you  want to hear??    Just asking.

Yup, it sure does. Try it sometime. It won't bite. 

[New World Disorder]

6 hours ago, Tdot said:

You are a Dem. Therefore you only know how to tell lies and how to fleece the truth.

For example, I can find hundreds of times members here criticized Trump ---where I never ever said they were brainwashed by the MSM.

Those are the times when you did the right thing and not post at all!! 

[-TSS-]

Even though I have taken the coronavirus-crisis with 4/5 seriousness and still continue to do so but I just can't help thinking what if all those people are right who said from the beginning and have said all along that this coronavirus-hysteria is bullshit. The biggest scam in a long time if ever.

I could understand if hysteria could be created in one country like Canada or Finland but if this coronavirus is a scam how can you create a situation where the whole world is paralysed with fear?

[taxme]

20 hours ago, Independent1986 said:

I criticize Trump when he does stupid things and I say bravo when he does something good. Because that is the beauty of democracy. You get to not be a sheep. 

In regards to liberalism, i don't belong to a cult or a movement, I am just an individual.

In regards to patriotism, I am from Toronto and loyal to Canada, you are from Vancouver and loyal to the USA, sorry, to Trump. I am more of a nationalist than you are.

Trump so far as done no more stupid things than any other President before him. The only thing Trump has done more is tried to help and keep America great while the rest did not care about America. They appeared to have tried very hard to make America not so great. The democrat presidents were an enemy of America, and they tried very hard to destroy this great country called America. Americans have done well under Trump's presidency. 

I belong to the People's Party of Canada. They are the only real and true conservative nationalist and patriotic political party left in Canada, and the only hope, and may be the last hope for Canada. The leftist liberal, NDP socialists, communist Greens\Bloc, and the liberal conservative party could careless about Canada. All they want is power and to be able to control the economy and we the people so they can wreck Canada and de industrialize this now not so great country anymore.  

Why do you say that you are loyal to Canada? What is there to be loyal about to Canada? I am not so very loyal to Canada anymore as I once was as I do not see any reason to be loyal, patriotic or nationalist anymore. Can you give me any good examples as to why I should be loyal to Canada today? Today, I am happy for Americans that they have a President like Trump. I cannot imagine what America would be like today if Hillary had won the election. No doubt a communist disaster. 

With this corona virus nonsense and lies that are being spread by your dear comrade Canadian leaders and the lying media about this hoax virus, and what they have done to this already screwed up country have now made things even worse. This hoax virus was not about fighting the virus, it was all about power and control and nothing more, and people like you fell for it. Unless we can get the PPC as the next party to lead the country, this social distancing nonsense may be here for a very, very long time. Our kids will suffer from that isolation and being able to play with other kids in close contact. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by taxme

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I told you people that the doctors in the cancer centre are screaming about their patients not getting treatment. I was hearing this anecdotally, but they could not be heard above the din of panic coming from the hysterical media, which has also put your minds into a panic-state lockdown.

There was also this contributing to the inflated death tolls in long term care homes:

Shoring up hospitals for COVID-19 contributed to Canada’s long-term care crisis

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-how-shoring-up-hospitals-for-covid-19-contributed-to-canadas-long/

[taxme]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

Well then maybe you should move to places that don't have any government structure. They won't enforce such public health policies. 

I do not ever want to go live in some 3rd world country, nor do I ever want to move to Europe. I am quite happy living in North America despite what your dear comrade leaders are doing to this once great nation with all of this plandemic corona virus nonsense going on. The public health practices that are being practiced today because of this hoax is not about public health at all but more to do with public control. 

[Boges]

Just now, taxme said:

I do not ever want to go live in some 3rd world country, nor do I ever want to move to Europe. I am quite happy living in North America despite what your dear comrade leaders are doing to this once great nation with all of this plandemic corona virus nonsense going on. The public health practices that are being practiced today because of this hoax is not about public health at all but more to do with public control. 

What exactly is the Hoax? Is this disease fake? Are the numbers fake? Are all the deaths fake? 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

What exactly is the Hoax? Is this disease fake? Are the numbers fake? Are all the deaths fake? 

......and are a l the  symptoms  "fake" too??  Is this "fake" thing based on   some  calling it a hoax at the beginning??