The Coronavirus

[New World Disorder]

Let's give it another month and see what happens.  If the incubation period is 14-28 days, then I expect a large rise in the cases and spread again. HOWEVER, if that does not happen, and there is no rise in cases or spread, then, why the lockdown? Why tank the economy?

But I will give it another month and see.

[dialamah]

From the Guardian, 4 working age people who've been unable to work since March due to Covid.  Their symptoms were not life-threatening enough to send them to hospital, but bad enough to keep them from carrying on life as normal.  This seems to be common enough that FB support groups are forming.  

The article also references 151 medical professionals who became ill; 68 have still not returned to work.  

For people who promote the idea that younger people are scarcely affected, that we need only protect "vulnerable" people, you forget that we're still learning about this virus.  More information is emerging about the long term effects of Covid, though not much data about how many suffer life-changing effects for weeks and months after.

Until we know more, rushing to re-open the economy, or attain some degree of "herd immunity" could be even more disastrous to our country and economy than continuing to be cautious.  

Edited June 7, 2020 by dialamah

[Zeitgeist]

On 6/6/2020 at 9:55 AM, OftenWrong said:

Useless to compare deaths per million on its own. Population density must be a factor, among others. Canada has wide open spaces and low density for about 1/2 its population.

 

Most Canadians live in cities.  Check Worldometer.  Search under deaths per million.  

[eyeball]

On 6/6/2020 at 6:55 AM, OftenWrong said:

Useless to compare deaths per million on its own. Population density must be a factor, among others. Canada has wide open spaces and low density for about 1/2 its population.

You know what's really useless? Leaving Ontario and Quebec in theses 'equations', it seems you guys always have take New York and New Jersey out of them to arrive at comparisons more to your liking. 

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Most Canadians live in cities.  Check Worldometer.  Search under deaths per million.  

No, you check. I don't need to.

Add up the population of big cities in Canada, it is not "most".

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You know what's really useless?

Yes. Reading/ responding to you.

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No, you check. I don't need to.

Add up the population of big cities in Canada, it is not "most".

81.4% of Canadians live in cities.

Perhaps you need to change your username - RarelyRight might be more accurate.

[Shady]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

81.4% of Canadians live in cities.

Perhaps you need to change your username - RarelyRight might be more accurate.

He didn’t say cities he said big cities.  Of course, big is subjective though.

[OftenWrong]

19 minutes ago, Shady said:

He didn’t say cities he said big cities.  Of course, big is subjective though.

Yep. I fail to see why it's even important enough to debate in several posts, regardless. But for the fact they just want to say something, anything against someone who doesn't subscribe to their simplistic views. Most of the time I dont read their posts, just "scroll on by" the silly attention whores who really have no point. Just taking a swipe because they like too.

Why spew more vitriol and hate?

[OftenWrong]

Cotton claims the protests and riots mean the era of lockdowns is over:

“It cannot be the case that thousands of Americans can exercise their First Amendment right on the street, while dozens of Americans can’t exercise their First Amendment rights in churches,” he said. “It cannot be the case that you can be arrested for opening a business but not for looting one.”

[dialamah]

24 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

 just "scroll on by"

Yes, when your misinformation campaign is interrupted with facts, it's best to scroll on by.  Why draw attention?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

No, you check. I don't need to.

Add up the population of big cities in Canada, it is not "most".

I’m not explaining facts presented in multiple sources.   I gave you accurate Worldometer data as of date posted.  Push the deaths per million category at the top of the column and you will see order from most to least.  For about two decades now the majority of Canadians have been living in cities.  About 80 percent of Canada’s population lives within a 100 mile wide band in the southern end of Ontario, Quebec, B.C., Nova Scotia, and slightly further north in Alberta.  This is cited in multiple sources, so citations of common knowledge aren’t required.  

Edited June 7, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Yes. Reading/ responding to you.

And yet your limitations never hold you back, atta-boy.  Work hard and show interest I always say.

[-TSS-]

Countries like Italy and Spain will be devastated this year as they are very reliant on tourism and even when tourism will be allowed again a lot of people will think twice about going to those countries which were real virus-hotspots.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not explaining facts presented in multiple sources.   I gave you accurate Worldometer data as of date posted.  Push the deaths per million category at the top of the column and you will see order from most to least.  For about two decades now the majority of Canadians have been living in cities.  About 80 percent of Canada’s population lives within a 100 mile wide band in the southern end of Ontario, Quebec, B.C., Nova Scotia, and slightly further north in Alberta.  This is cited in multiple sources, so citations of common knowledge aren’t required.  

Who cares what you are quoting, this is about the virus. If you were to look at a Canadian "Virus Map", you'll see it's concentrated in the big cities. Let that be your guide... wherever the viruse is in abundance. Big cities have substantial population, you know, millions, high density housing, developed downtown core and international airport. Not yer Kitchener or yer Guelph. Neither Stratford, nor Cambidge nor Woodstock.

Think places of high "civilization", yet low civility...

Edited June 7, 2020 by OftenWrong

[OftenWrong]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And yet your limitations never hold you back, atta-boy.  Work hard and show interest I always say.

You are more than easy to ignore. Don't know what fantasy world you're in. Are you off your medication again?

Sorry if I don't do boring, angry, bitchy, etc. I can do stupid but only for a short while.

Not as long as you, I'll wager.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Who cares what you are quoting, this is about the virus. If you were to look at a Canadian "Virus Map", you'll see it's concentrated in the big cities. Let that be your guide... wherever the viruse is in abundance. Big cities have substantial population, you know, millions, high density housing, developed downtown core and international airport. Not yer Kitchener or yer Guelph. Neither Stratford, nor Cambidge nor Woodstock.

Think places of high "civilization", yet low civility...

The hotspots tend to be in higher density, poorer communities, which also tend to have more racialized people, which is one of the reasons we’re seeing the rebellion against law enforcement coming from such communities.  The hardest done by are the hardest hit by the virus, and powerful images of misuse of authority are triggering reactions.  I will address this in a new thread.  

[Guest]

How ironic is it that, while showing fervent support for the health of one segment of society, and a flagrant disregard for the health of another segment, many of the attendees at the recent protests held signs that said, "I can't breathe"?

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

How ironic is it that, while showing fervent support for the health of one segment of society, and a flagrant disregard for the health of another segment, many of the attendees at the recent protests held signs that said, "I can't breathe"?

 

Well, it is much more difficult for residents of long term care facilities to protest and loot.   Their oxygen bottles have limited range.

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, dialamah said:

Yes, when your misinformation campaign is interrupted with facts, it's best to scroll on by.

I would address you if you were not so rude all the time. People who are always having to make it personal, always dismissive, angry and seem to come here to vent, won't get much reaction from me. Too boring, sorry... buh bye

[Rue]

On 6/7/2020 at 2:39 PM, OftenWrong said:

Yep. I fail to see why it's even important enough to debate in several posts, regardless. But for the fact they just want to say something, anything against someone who doesn't subscribe to their simplistic views. Most of the time I dont read their posts, just "scroll on by" the silly attention whores who really have no point. Just taking a swipe because they like too.

Why spew more vitriol and hate?

Lol you and Shady are  BIG..you fill in the blanks but remember Dialamah has a magnifine glass and a tape measure. She likes accuracy.

Back to the virus..does it just disappear in the summer? I thought it did not. I am also curious has their been an increase in it in the US since the riots? 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Rue

[dialamah]

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

Dialamah [ ... ] likes accuracy.

Spot on.  Or at least as much accuracy as can be had; sometimes there's not enough info, such as in the case of a virus that's only been in the human population for 7 months, and in Western nations for 6 months.  

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, Rue said:

Back to the virus..does it just disappear in the summer? I thought it did not. I am also curious has their been an increase in it in the US since the riots? 

I think as people are outside more, the virus doesn't spread as quickly.  A spike from the riots probably won't be seen for another few days.   

In BC, we haven't had a death since last Friday (as of yesterday), and Dix does not want the border to the US opened.  Cases in Washington State, Oregon, California continue to be high and we want to avoid Americans or Canadians returning from Stateside vacations bringing the virus in.   

[Shady]

29 minutes ago, Rue said:

Lol you and Shady are  BIG..you fill in the blanks but remember Dialamah has a magnifine glass and a tape measure. She likes accuracy.

Back to the virus..does it just disappear in the summer? I thought it did not. I am also curious has their been an increase in it in the US since the riots? 

It may just disappear for good, just like SARS did.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Lol you and Shady are  BIG..you fill in the blanks but remember Dialamah has a magnifine glass and a tape measure. She likes accuracy.

Back to the virus..does it just disappear in the summer? I thought it did not. I am also curious has their been an increase in it in the US since the riots? 

Accuracy is needed but it cannot be called upon by non-experts. Otherwise it is a collossal waste of time. There is a point being made. Deflecting into another argument is defleting, that's all it is. Nothing to do with notions such as "accuracy".