Panic, Ignorance, Shut Up Already

[BubberMiley]

Once this is said and done, I expect many lawsuits related to irresponsible messaging during this time. Apparently FoxNews is very scared about this right now.

[Shady]

35 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

That is true under ideal social distancing conditions where the hospital is not overwhelmed. The important point you ignore and which makes your posts so dangerous is you fail to mention how much more contagious it is. Do you do that because you don't know any better or because you're an irresponsible sociopath?

Part of why it’s more deadly is because it’s more contagious.  I’ve posted that it’s more contagious in other threads.  I’m sorry you didn’t see them.

[Shady]

8 hours ago, Shady said:

I actually don't blame either of them.  It's a highly contagious virus which is impossible to stop from spreading.  Especially when the host country, China, hid what was really going on until they absolutely couldn't keep it secret anymore.

 

[Shady]

47 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Once this is said and done, I expect many lawsuits related to irresponsible messaging during this time. Apparently FoxNews is very scared about this right now.

I’m guessing a lot of people might be scared.  Including the bumbling buffoon New York has for a mayor.  No wonder that city is having such a difficult time.

 

Just like the common cold or flu! 

[BubberMiley]

13 minutes ago, Shady said:

I’m guessing a lot of people might be scared.  Including the bumbling buffoon New York has for a mayor.  

Yes, but at least he has learned since March 10. You're still repeating the same lines now when we all know better. Why is that?

[Shady]

12 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

Yes, but at least he has learned since March 10. You're still repeating the same lines now when we all know better. Why is that?

I like that you put me on the same level as the mayor of the largest city in North America.  I’m flattered!

[pinky tuscadero]

16 hours ago, Boges said:

That hundreds of people are dying in Italy every day. 

And now Hundreds of people are dying in the US every day and the Healthcare systems are taxed. 

Hospitalization is another consideration for how dangerous this virus is. 

But continue to put your head in the sand. 

BTW your high number of 62,000 deaths is cute. Trump said he'd claim victory if the US could escape this with less than 100,000 deaths. 

i don't understand

you discount hard data for emotion, and call the cdc's own numbers 'cute'

then use a politician as what????

 

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For virologist and infectious disease specialist Pablo Goldschmidt, the panic that is occurring around the coronavirus strain identified in China (COVID-19) is as unjustified as that created in 2003 with severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) or in 2009 with influenza A virus (H1N1). link

 

italy is a statistical anomaly, as far as corona is concerned, and should not be included in the set until the reasons for its deviation are better understood

especially considering that it is really only Lombardy that is skewing the data (you know the place with the horrible air)

don't forget they were going through a bad pneumonia outbreak just prior to this as well

 

hospitalization is either very manageable (when correlated to previous influenza/pneumonia years),

or the taxed healthcare system is partly due to the doctors and nurses who test positive to self-quarantine and nosocomial infections

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UK has enough intensive care units for coronavirus, expert predicts

 

but i have my head in the sand when i spend the time to research and present the relevant data

 

bizarre that you and your ilk are going to welcome and encourage the boot to my family's throat,

when you lack even a scintilla of understanding and have no desire to actually learn, or even take 30 seconds to click a link and find out the number comes from cdc

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(Epidemiologist) Prof. Gérard Krause: We need to keep these serious measures as a whole as short and as low as possible, because they could potentially cause more disease and death than the coronavirus itself.

Although my focus is on infectious diseases, I believe that it is essential that we bear in mind the impact on other areas of health and society. As a society, we must not focus solely on the victims of the coronavirus. link

 

here is a good video about science being about an open critical mind and investing the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfQyjIO5hFg

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by pinky tuscadero

[BubberMiley]

8 hours ago, Shady said:

I like that you put me on the same level as the mayor of the largest city in North America.  I’m flattered!

No. He stopped jeopardizing the social distancing effort when he learned better after it began spreading in the community. You still are doing it even though you must know better by now.

[Shady]

12 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

No. He stopped jeopardizing the social distancing effort when he learned better after it began spreading in the community. You still are doing it even though you must know better by now.

It began spreading long before March 10th.  The NBA and NHL postponed their season on March 12th.  Stop making excuses for bad behaviour.  It’s unbecoming.  Regardless, the real lawsuit should be filed against China for gross negligence.  

[BubberMiley]

You still don't know what community transmission means? I told you to go look it up 2 days ago.

It doesn't mean local cases involving travellers who were infected elsewhere. It means evidence that people are contracting it within the community.  There was no evidence of that until March 12, which ended the NBA and NHL seasons. Many people are reluctant to shut everything down until there is evidence of that, which makes sense. 

So, again, quit talking about things you know nothing about when it comes to infectious diseases. I can't monitor you all the time.

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by BubberMiley

[Shady]

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

You still don't know what community transmission means? I told you to go look it up 2 days ago.

It doesn't mean local cases involving travellers who were infected elsewhere. It means evidence that people are contracting it within the community.  There was no evidence of that until March 12, which ended the NBA and NHL seasons. Many people are reluctant to shut everything down until there is evidence of that, which makes sense. 

So, again, quit talking about things you know nothing about when it comes to infectious diseases. I can't monitor you all the time.

 

Stop making excuses for bad behavior.  It's pathetic.

[BubberMiley]

22 minutes ago, Shady said:

Stop making excuses for bad behavior.  It's pathetic.

Just trying to help you out. 

[Shady]

1 minute ago, BubberMiley said:

Just trying to help you out. 

You're just making excuses for bad behavior.  The city of New York declared an emergency on March 7th, and restricted public gatherings on March 12th.  At the same time members of the municipal government were downplaying the virus, and encouraging people to go out to public gatherings.  Make up your mind on whether politicians should've acted sooner or not.  You can't pick and choose with your bull crap excuses.

[Rue]

13 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

Once this is said and done, I expect many lawsuits related to irresponsible messaging during this time. Apparently FoxNews is very scared about this right now.

There is no law for the above...and you project fabricated fears on Fox...you engage in wishful thinking where you control what the world must believe...lead by example...stop writing such nonsense...

Edited April 1, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

It began spreading long before March 10th.  The NBA and NHL postponed their season on March 12th.  Stop making excuses for bad behaviour.  It’s unbecoming.  Regardless, the real lawsuit should be filed against China for gross negligence.  

Holding China responsible for its wet markets will be impossible as you know...boycotting their wet market products is something we all  maybe need to do.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Rue

[Rue]

12 hours ago, Shady said:

I like that you put me on the same level as the mayor of the largest city in North America.  I’m flattered!

I have you higher. You are a God Shady. Come on man...your avatar is a God, hockey coach, homicide cop,  x men groupie, mail bomber, really screwed up pimp, or creepy serial killer...not lowly mayor.  

Seriously all large  cities face serious challenges from poor planning. Its specific to one Mayor to be fair . 

New York will deal with it. They adapt to bullshit real good.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Rue

[Boges]

11 hours ago, pinky tuscadero said:

italy is a statistical anomaly, as far as corona is concerned, and should not be included in the set until the reasons for its deviation are better understood

especially considering that it is really only Lombardy that is skewing the data (you know the place with the horrible air)

don't forget they were going through a bad pneumonia outbreak just prior to this as well

OK, How about Iran, Spain and New York State? are those also anomalies? 

[eyeball]

59 minutes ago, Rue said:

Holding China responsible for its wet markets will be impossible as you know...boycotting their wet market products is something we all  maybe need to do.

Boycotting China for its dictatorship is what we should be doing...starting at least 15 years ago.

That is what I call unpreparedness.

[BubberMiley]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

You're just making excuses for bad behavior.  

I didn't make excuses for you. I swept in and saved the day by explaining to you how your FoxNews/Trump rhetoric was dangerous. You should now thank me for preventing you from making more of a fool of yourself.

[BubberMiley]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

There is no law for the above...and you project fabricated fears on Fox...you engage in wishful thinking where you control what the world must believe...lead by example...stop writing such nonsense...

Look up how people can sue for damages if they suffer loss that resulted from negligent behaviour.

[Shady]

Just now, BubberMiley said:

I didn't make excuses for you. I swept in and saved the day by explaining to you how your FoxNews/Trump rhetoric was dangerous. You should now thank me for preventing you from making more of a fool of yourself.

No, you made excuses for the mayor of New York, and some of his cabinet members.  Apparently some dangerous rhetoric you're fine with, depending who it comes from.  That's pathetic.

[Shady]

Just now, BubberMiley said:

Look up how people can sue for damages if they suffer loss that resulted from negligent behaviour.

Yep.  Nobody's been more negligent than China.  Look it up.  Stop making excuses for bad behavior, and stop running defence for a communist dicatorship.  You're carrying water for them.

[BubberMiley]

29 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yep.  Nobody's been more negligent than China.  Look it up.  Stop making excuses for bad behavior, and stop running defence for a communist dicatorship.  You're carrying water for them.

You're getting desperate and confused. I'm the one that informed you that your BS "3.5 times more contagious than the flu" stat was ridiculous and at least flawed because it was based on Chinese data. Stop using the evil dictatorship's misrepresentations to justify spreading your own misrepresentations.

[BubberMiley]

32 minutes ago, Shady said:

No, you made excuses for the mayor of New York, and some of his cabinet members.  Apparently some dangerous rhetoric you're fine with, depending who it comes from.  That's pathetic.

I criticized them for using rhetoric before evidence of community transmission that was remarkably similar to rhetoric you used after there was community transmission. I had to even teach you what community transmission meant.

 It must take a mind-blowing amount of cognitive dissonance to criticize me for not criticizing other people for saying things that weren't even as dangerous and stupid as what you were saying yesterday.

 

[Shady]

8 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

You're getting desperate and confused. I'm the one that informed you that your BS "3.5 times more contagious than the flu" stat was ridiculous and at least flawed because it was based on Chinese data. Stop using the evil dictatorship's misrepresentations to justify spreading your own misrepresentations.

Well that’s your problem.  You’re relying on data from China.