Most Canadians say Canada is Broken

[taxme]

28 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

MPs should not be dual citizens for obvious reasons. Scheer should have known that and should have immediately proceeded with the renunciation of his foreign citizenship at the very latest when he became party leader. Even today, do we know what his citizenship status is? It’s a comical situation.

And there are 36 other MP's that apparently have dual citizenship, and most of them are from the third world. How did that ever happen? I thought that they came here to be Canadian? I guess not. Just in name only, eh? I want an American passport and I want to have a dual American citizenship.

What at bloody liberal socialist mess this country has become. 

[taxme]

28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadian citizenship is totally useless, doesn't protect you, doesn't protect your property, doesn't protect your rights, any Canadian not holding a second passport is a fool.

All a Canadian citizenship means and having a Canadian passport is that I can enter Canada legally after a holiday, and do not have to answer any questions as to who I am, and where am I coming from, and where am I going in Canada. Canada is not the problem. It is our dear leaders that is the problem. None of them seems to want to tackle or do anything about what the Trudeau's have done to this once great British/European nation, and what the Trudeau of today will be doing to Canada in the next four years. It does not look very good for Canada in the next four more years. I think that conservatives like myself needs to have an American passport as a back up. Just saying. Bloody sad, isn't it?  

[Dougie93]

49 minutes ago, taxme said:

 Just saying. Bloody sad, isn't it?  

Well I have a buddy who works for Customs & Border Protection, he says don't use a Canadian passport to enter America, the border agents despise Canadians.

Canada and Canadians are not viewed as they once were, Canadians are seen as being smug, entitled and whiny.

Canadians rub people the wrong way now, the Post National State has no friends, no allies. 

I don't even recognize Canada anymore, this is not the country I grew up in, that country is long gone.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

That’s ridiculous.  As though Americans are any more classy or noble.  It’s foolish to make value judgements about a people, and absurd when the pot is calling the kettle black.  There are a lot of negative stereotypes about all sorts of countries, including Canada, the US, and Britain. How does it serve you to draw on these about one of those countries?  You’re living down to the “ugly American” stereotype with such remarks.  

[bush_cheney2004]

46 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s ridiculous.  As though Americans are any more classy or noble.  It’s foolish to make value judgements about a people, and absurd when the pot is calling the kettle black.  There are a lot of negative stereotypes about all sorts of countries, including Canada, the US, and Britain. How does it serve you to draw on these about one of those countries?  You’re living down to the “ugly American” stereotype with such remarks.  

 

But that's the idea...use the "ugly American" stereotype to expose and reveal the underlying anti-American bias and hatred.   An unbroken Canada and associated Canadian psyche often invokes the "deplorable" U.S. to contrast and define itself in better terms.   Being "better" than the Americans is a critical cultural element that must resist any domestic criticism reporting a broken Canada.    It is fundamental to the Canadian identity.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

  You’re living down to the “ugly American” stereotype with such remarks.  

I embrace it, for a Canadian to call me an Ugly American, that's a badge of honor.

[Dougie93]

47 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But that's the idea...use the "ugly American" stereotype to expose and reveal the underlying anti-American bias and hatred.   An unbroken Canada and associated Canadian psyche often invokes the "deplorable" U.S. to contrast and define itself in better terms.   Being "better" than the Americans is a critical cultural element that must resist any domestic criticism reporting a broken Canada.    It is fundamental to the Canadian identity.

Exactly,  and they got a glass jaw too, they like to dish it out,  but they got no humor when it comes to taking what they give.

The only people it is acceptable to hate in Canada, are Americans, those dastardly Ugly Americans,  picking on the poor little priggish and sneering Canadian snobs.

Meanwhile, Canada gets a pass on everything, they should be thankful that they live below the radar.

The vast majority of Americans pay no attention to Canada, and there is this American myth of the Friendly Canadian.

If they actually knew what Canadians were like, what Canadians actually say about America and Americans, Canada could have a serious problem.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[jacee]

19 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Well I have a buddy who works for Customs & Border Protection, he says don't use a Canadian passport to enter America, the border agents despise Canadians.

Canada and Canadians are not viewed as they once were, Canadians are seen as being smug, entitled and whiny.

Canadians rub people the wrong way now, the Post National State has no friends, no allies. 

I don't even recognize Canada anymore, this is not the country I grew up in, that country is long gone.

Canadians are not so willing to go along with US warmongering anymore. Since Iraq, it's become clear that the US military-industrial organized crime mob creates conflict in vulnerable countries with lots of natural resources, only for the benefit of predatory billionaires. Soldiers lives are sold cheaply to the highest corporate bidders. It's a classic case of privatizing profits while socializing costs. 

We've learned a lesson from Afghanistan, and we won't be likely to sacrifice our soldiers lives for US billionaires' profits again.  

Edited December 4, 2019 by jacee

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, jacee said:

Canadians are not so willing to go along with US warmongering anymore. Since Iraq, it's become clear that the US military-industrial organized crime mob creates conflict in vulnerable countries with lots of natural resources, only for the benefit of predatory billionaires. Soldiers lives are sold cheaply to the highest corporate bidders. It's a classic case of privatizing profits while socializing costs. 

We've learned a lesson from Afghanistan, and we won't be likely to sacrifice our soldiers lives for US billionaires' profits again.  

America doesn't want you with us, you're a free rider burden not a boon.

Go ahead and wallow in your isolationism, Canada, nobody cares.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

This thread is hilarious, bunch of gutless Canadians who never served and never would, who are totally divorced from reality, beating their chests about being a bunch of do nothings. lol

[Nefarious Banana]

21 minutes ago, jacee said:

Canadians are not so willing to go along with US warmongering anymore. Since Iraq, it's become clear that the US military-industrial organized crime mob creates conflict in vulnerable countries with lots of natural resources, only for the benefit of predatory billionaires. Soldiers lives are sold cheaply to the highest corporate bidders. It's a classic case of privatizing profits while socializing costs. 

We've learned a lesson from Afghanistan, and we won't be likely to sacrifice our soldiers lives for US billionaires' profits again.  

Where do you get this stuff?  You have an 'altered reality' . . . . . wtf

[Zeitgeist]

19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But that's the idea...use the "ugly American" stereotype to expose and reveal the underlying anti-American bias and hatred.   An unbroken Canada and associated Canadian psyche often invokes the "deplorable" U.S. to contrast and define itself in better terms.   Being "better" than the Americans is a critical cultural element that must resist any domestic criticism reporting a broken Canada.    It is fundamental to the Canadian identity.

 

 

My point is that all these stereotypes are unhelpful, but we make it harder on ourselves when we fit the stereotype.  I don't look down my nose at the Americans.  I never have.  I do have a problem with some US policies and figures, as do most Americans.  I have similar problems with some Canadian policies and figures.  Each country has its advantages and disadvantages.  Pick your poison.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

My point is that all these stereotypes are unhelpful, but we make it harder on ourselves when we fit the stereotype.  I don't look down my nose at the Americans.  I never have.  I do have a problem with some US policies and figures, as do most Americans.  I have similar problems with some Canadian policies and figures.  Each country has its advantages and disadvantages.  Pick your poison.

 

Perhaps not for some individuals, but the collective narrative has already been repeated and confirmed many times.   Just start a thread on health care in Canada as "broken", and within short order somebody will dismiss any such criticism by pointing at the United States.   It is a reflexive Canadian response.   No other country in the world has such a profound impact on the Canadian identity and psyche....remarkable.

 

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Pick your poison.

America First.  F@ck Canada.

[jacee]

21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But that's the idea...use the "ugly American" stereotype to expose and reveal the underlying anti-American bias and hatred.   An unbroken Canada and associated Canadian psyche often invokes the "deplorable" U.S. to contrast and define itself in better terms.   Being "better" than the Americans is a critical cultural element that must resist any domestic criticism reporting a broken Canada.    It is fundamental to the Canadian identity.

Why are you so obsessed with flagellating your US'n self, bc? 

Nobody cares what you say US'ns think of Canadians.' You don't represent all US'ns: They are not of one mind. Neither are Canadians. And you're talking on a discussion board that's 95% white supremacists, who represent the lunatic fringe in your country and mine.  Lol   It doesn't get much more ridiculous than that. 

Be who you are. We don't care. We make our choices in how we do and don't associate.

And we're always aware that US'n 'manifest destiny' finds us a burr up its ass. Oh.well.  Lol 

Edited December 5, 2019 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Perhaps not for some individuals, but the collective narrative has already been repeated and confirmed many times.   Just start a thread on health care in Canada as "broken", and within short order somebody will dismiss any such criticism by pointing at the United States.   It is a reflexive Canadian response.   No other country in the world has such a profound impact on the Canadian identity and psyche....remarkable.

 

But the reasons for this are obvious.  Relatively small Canada borders one country, the most influential one on the planet, right now anyway.  That influence is always in the background wherever there’s mass media.  That doesn’t mean there aren’t distinct cultural traits that Canadians value because they’re Canadian.  So what?   I’d expect nothing less.  I think most Canada-US tensions, which are minor, relate to the more left-wing politics in Canada, or more right-wing in the US depending on your perspective.  Canada is right of many European countries.  The shift left mostly took place in the last half century.  It shifted farther left under J Trudeau in the effort to take NDP votes.  What’s worse for the world, Trump or Trudeau?  You can argue in either direction depending on your politics.  On a personal level, Trudeau is more polite, but don’t buy the book because of its cover.  

[marcus]

On 12/3/2019 at 5:28 PM, Dougie93 said:

I don't even recognize Canada anymore, this is not the country I grew up in, that country is long gone.

Make Canada Great Again?

In average, Canadians are making more money, living longer and are better educated. Oh and there are more coloured people. 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the reasons for this are obvious.  Relatively small Canada borders one country, the most influential one on the planet, right now anyway.  That influence is always in the background wherever there’s mass media.  That doesn’t mean there aren’t distinct cultural traits that Canadians value because they’re Canadian.  So what?   I’d expect nothing less.

 

Indeed the reasons are obvious, but the relevance to this thread about a "broken" Canada is that such obsession and disdain only serve to detract from domestic discussion/criticism for policies and institutions that need more scrutiny and solutions regardless of what the Americans are doing.   Trump just made things worse by waving a red flag in front of the intense, pre-existing focus and obsession on how broken 'murica is instead.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

Make Canada Great Again?

In average, Canadians are making more money, living longer and are better educated. Oh and there are more coloured people. 

 

"Coloured people" ?  lol

You really are a vacuous bubble head, Marcus.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

"Coloured people" ?  lol

You really are a vacuous bubble head, Marcus.

 

Seriously...what's up with 'dat.   "Coloured people" ???   .....to fix a broken Canada ?

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Seriously...what's up with 'dat.   "Coloured people" ???   .....to fix a broken Canada ?

That's what my old grand pappy used to call them. We've come full circle. lol

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

That's what my old grand pappy used to call them. We've come full circle. lol

 

Today, the clever "white people" just turn that around and say "people of colour" !

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Today, the clever "white people" just turn that around and say "people of colour" !

It's not just that these kids mindlessly embrace this Woke nonsense, they're just dumb, like morons, they don't think critically, they just regurgitate pablum they have been fed.

Every older person is just "Boomer" who knows nothing, while Marcus knows everything, he's gonna tell us all how it is.

This is like the Chinese Cultural Revolution back in the 70's, that's where Canada is going now.

[Yzermandius19]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

That's what my old grand pappy used to call them. We've come full circle. lol

First the woke claimed that colored was racist and now the woke claim the term people of color is politically correct, full circle indeed. They are so unaware that they don't even notice the obvious bullshit.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[-TSS-]

If all the Canadian provinces were separate independent countries would all of them or none of them be better off compared to forming Canada which is a giant country?