Prediction: Trudeau wins a majority this Fall

[Dougie93]

Perhaps right now you don't feel the need for a gun, but when this shit hits the fan,  there's gonna be civil disorder and crime will go through the roof

So that's when you want to have the Smith & Wesson Six Eight Six,  Point Three Five Seven Magnum.  Just in case.

Move out of the big city, and get your Restricted class PAL.  It's one extra weekend of training, costs $80

Justin Trudeau and his handgun grabbing is targeted at cities, but when this bubble pops, you don't want to be there anyways.

Don't bother with an automatic, doesn't take 15 rounds to put an intruder down.

Can't keep those box magazines loaded all the time, have to ease springs, so automatic is a pain in the ass.

Go with the wheelgun, nice and simple, point, cock, blam.   .357 magnum semi jacketed hollow points.

For a woman,  get the 642 Airweight and load .38 special

Simple, easy, light, low recoil, point and click.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

I can’t live like it’s the Purge.  The purpose of having a police and militia is public safety and defence.  They just built a massive cop shop half a mile from me.  I honestly don’t know what these cops do apart from shake down middle class people with speeding tickets on their way to and from work, but if they can’t police an area like mine with a low crime rate, why have them? I liked it better when they weren’t around.  I do have a crossbow.  I like the low tech high skill weapons.  I also have my black belt.  Theft doesn’t seem to happen much anyway because consumer goods are cheap.  It’s all about property and cash.  Almost no one keeps cash around.  I know I don’t.  

The only commodity that I can see urban combat erupting over is food, which is why having a big local food supply is important.  If we ever got to that level of desperation, then sure, a high powered weapon helps, but I’m not sure that’s a world I want to inhabit anyway.  Learning to fish, farm, and hunt are always valuable tools.  Basic knowledge of natural remedies and medicine is also important.  I can see us all moving toward a simpler existence if green fascism takes off.  Economic growth would slow to a trickle and the cost of living would soar as drastic low emissions policies are implemented.  I put up a solar system and renovated a house of moderate size rather than moving up to a mansion.  I like efficient use of space and materials.  

I’m more worried about macro planning.  I don’t think our towns and cities are self sufficient or sustainable enough.  Ideally most people should be able to walk or bike to work, have a vibrant main street nearby with cafes and cultural attractions, as well as close access to farms and nature for food, hunting, and recreation, all defensible by local militia.  End both horizontal and vertical sprawl and make rapid transit widely available.  Have local non-emitting energy supply, including wind, solar, geothermal, and small nuclear.  If our building codes and public policies supported such complete communities, our carbon footprints would shrink and climate change would slow, especially if we add carbon sinks through reforestation.  

There’s much we can do.  Adding costs to consumers (e.g. carbon taxes) just makes us more desperate, a recipe for poverty and conflict, which is why I’m wary of the Greens and Greta T’s of the world.  

Edited September 30, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I can’t live like it’s the Purge.  The purpose of having a police and militia is public safety and defence.  They just built a massive cop shop half a mile from me.  I honestly don’t know what these cops do apart from shake down middle class people with speeding tickets on their way to and from work, but if they can’t police an area like mine with a low crime rate, why have them? I liked it better when they weren’t around.  I do have a crossbow.  I like the low tech high skill weapons.  I also have my black belt.  Theft doesn’t seem to happen much anyway because consumer goods are cheap.  It’s all about property and cash.  Almost no one keeps cash around.  I know I don’t. 

No.  The purpose of the police is to arrest people after the fact, they don't actually protect you, that's naive.  The militia is the army, they don't protect, their job is offensive; killing people.

In the case of civil disorder, the police and militia would have their hands full, they're not going to be tasked to protect you.

Black belt ain't shit, you're not trained for unarmed combat, that belt is meaningless.

Crossbow is unwieldy, no follow up if you miss.

When someone breaks in, you don't know what they are after, they don't know what they're after neither, they probably are doing it because they think you're not at home.

Moreover, women are defenseless for all intents and purposes, so I"m protecting my wife too, which is a no fail mission.

[Dougie93]

If you're going to shoot someone with a crossbow, you might as well shoot them with a gun, because it;'s going to be treated the same in court, if you're at crossbow, might as well go all the way and do it right.

[Zeitgeist]

I have fairly young kids and won’t risk having a gun around.  I live in a quite public area, so any public mischief would be quickly registered by the community.  Having said that, there’s always the risk of home invasion or armed robbery.   I’m willing to live with that risk as long as I believe in the overall safety of the society, which I do so far.  That’s one of the things that makes Canada great and why sensible gun control matters.  I don’t want lots of guns in circulation, especially in cities. Farmers and hunters are a different story, but the restrictions most people want on firearms don’t pertain to hunting weapons.   At least they shouldn’t.  Hunters don’t need semi-automatic weapons, handguns or assault rifles.

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[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I have fairly young kids and won’t risk having a gun around.  I live in a quite public area, so any public mischief would be quickly registered by the community.  Having said that, there’s always the risk of home invasion or armed robbery.   I’m willing to live with that risk as long as I believe in the overall safety of the society, which I do so far.  That’s one of the things that makes Canada great and why sensible gun control matters.  

Safer for your kids to teach them about guns, they can get access to guns that you don't have control over, there are guns on the street, other kids have guns, they could go to someone elses house and get a gun there.   If you want to keep your kids safe around guns, raise them from a young age to know everything about them.

That crossbow is dangerous too, again, when you're at crossbow, you're already at lethal weapon in the house now. It's not safer than a gun.

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[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Safer for your kids to teach them about guns, they can get access to guns that you don't have control over, there are guns on the street, other kids have guns, they could go to someone elses house and get a gun there.   If you want to keep your kids safe around guns, raise them from a young age to know everything about them.

I have to do a bit of that anyway.  My son wants to hunt.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I have to do a bit of that anyway.  My son wants to hunt.  

Boys will get into this shit, the only safety is to teach them to master the arms, they will get their hands on them, the shit I was up to as a kid, my parents are glad they didn't know.

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[Dougie93]

My wife is very anti gun.  She's not the boss of me, but she doesn't like my guns.

None the less, she went on a business trip to Rhode Island, then she went shopping in New London Connecticut.

My wife had no clue what Connecticut is actually like, no clue that New London is dangerous.

She's coming out of the mall at night, lo and behold, there are criminals in the parking lot.

She tries to walk away, they follow, she runs to the car, they run after her.  She gets cornered.  She's in the breach now.

Some American woman sees my wife in trouble,  gets out of her car and pulls the hand cannon out of her purse.

Walks right up to the punks and cocks the hammer, with resolve.

The hooligans decide that's their cue to leave.    My wife just looks at her and says "thanks"

"No problem, have a nice night"   Then the American just gets back in her car and drives away.

God bless America.

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[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

My wife is very anti gun.  She's not the boss of me, but she doesn't like my guns.

None the less, she went on a business trip to Rhode Island, then she went shopping in New London Connecticut.

My wife had no clue what Connecticut is actually like, no clue that New London is dangerous.

She's coming out of the mall at night, lo and behold, there are criminals in the parking lot.

She tries to walk away, they follow, she runs to the car, they run after her.  She gets cornered.  She's in the breach now.

Some American woman sees my wife in trouble,  gets out of her car and pulls the hand cannon out of her purse.

Walks right up to the punks and cocks the hammer, with resolve.

The hooligans decide that's their cue to leave.    My wife just looks at her and says "thanks"

"No problem, have a nice night"   Then the American just gets back in her car and drives away.

God bless America.

I’ve had too many experiences like that in the US and I hated each one: walking from a parking garage in Harlem with my son when some guy started firing shots at another guy in the street, meeting a woman whose son was killed in a drive by, coming back from a run to a scene where a guy shot himself after getting into a minor fender bender, watching two guys argue and the one guy pull out his gun, nightly news stories in the small city where I stay in Florida of shootings, many accidental or crimes of passion.  Too many people on the edge walking around with firearms.  The society down there isn’t as safe and I don’t want to import it.  There will come a day when we’ll need to fight hard to keep desperation and violence at bay.  I don’t want to create new opportunities for it.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve had too many experiences like that in the US and I hated each one: walking from a parking garage in Harlem with my son when some guy started firing shots at another guy in the street, meeting a woman whose son was killed in a drive by, coming back from a run to a scene where a guy shot himself after getting into a minor fender bender, watching two guys argue and the one guy pull out his gun, nightly news stories in the small city where I stay in Florida of shootings, many accidental or crimes of passion.  Too many people on the edge walking around with firearms.  The society down there isn’t as safe and I don’t want to import it.  There will come a day when we’ll need to fight hard to keep desperation and violence at bay.  I don’t want to create new opportunities for it.  

I've never been shot at in America, but I have been shot at multiple times in Toronto.  Downtown Eastside.  Regent Park. Lots of people on the edge.

One time I was on the Gerrard streetcar and a guy started shooting it up with a rifle.  First shot I thought was somebody throwing a brick or something.

Then the windows started exploding one after the next, moving down the streetcar towards me.

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I've never been shot at in America, but I have been shot at multiple times in Toronto.  Downtown Eastside.  Regent Park. Lots of people on the edge.

One time I was on the Gerrard streetcar and a guy started shooting it up with a rifle.  First shot I thought was somebody throwing a brick or something.

Then the windows started exploding one after the next, moving down the streetcar towards me.

I’ve never experienced violence in Toronto and I’ve never feared for my safety anywhere I went. I know the JaneFinch corridor has always been sketchy, but that’s almost in the burbs.   Regent Park is being fixed up.  Queen and Sherbourne can be desperate, but I don’t think very violent.  There are some housing complexes that aren’t great, such as in Malvern, but if you don’t live in these places you probably won’t visit them.  Our social safety net keeps these places from totally collapsing on the most part. 

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[Dougie93]

Another time I was at Caribbana, and I actually met Shaquille O'neal just walking around in the crowd.

A few minutes later, gunshots start popping, rounds were snapping over my head, and the crowd stampeded, everybody panicked.

It was chaos, people were getting shot at and trampled at the same time.

[Zeitgeist]

Rare but more frequent recently, which is all the more reason to tackle gangs and the flow of weapons.  I know it isn’t easy. Have to work in the communities.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Rare but more frequent recently, which is all the more reason to tackle gangs and the flow of weapons.  I know it isn’t easy. Have to work in the communities.  

Don't be naive.   The government can't fix poverty, there's shit going on  all the time,

Lift up your head and look around, those are all gangmembers up and down Yonge Street.

It's no man's land between Regent and Alexandra Park. 

Smoke Dawg shot right on Queen West outside the Rivoli,  shots fired at the Raptors parade right in Nathan Phillips Square.

Imagine what its gonna be like when the debt bubble pops and people get real desperate in Canada.

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[Dougie93]

Like why is Connecticut so violent?

Rust Belt.

Opiates.

Blue State gun control which favors the criminals against the law abiding.

The Government of Canada of course will prevent that from coming to Canada by their brilliant central planning and economic genius. lol.

Saskatchewan is more dangerous than Carson City Nevada, statistically Carson City is about as dangerous as Toronto.

Regina, Saskatoon and North Battleford, way more dangerous.  People who live in the boonies on the Prairies are scared.

The difference in Nevada is that I can shoot somebody in extremis if I have to, and I have broad latitude to do so, and I can even buy insurance for the legal fees.

People in Saskatchewan will be treated like the criminals for trying to defend themselves from criminals, Canadian law is absurd.

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[Yzermandius19]

Feeling safe and actually being safe can be two different things entirely, who knew?

Some people trust the government to protect them from people with guns and from poverty naively, others have no such delusions.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Zeitgeist]

It all comes back to “Bowling Alone”.  When family and communities break down, kids lose role models, dads have nowhere to go and no one to talk to when times are tough.  Social cohesion and belonging are what save people.  Ultimately gangs are a perverse form of the hockey team or barbershop quartet.  People need to feel like they’re part of something.  If it’s a gang they’ll seek to defend the group and its territory.  Poverty feeds it because crime seems like a shortcut to prosperity.  Bottom line: Don’t let poverty get out of hand, give kids and adults healthy outlets and opportunity for social activity, and keep the weapons to a minimum, because fights will happen.   The fights often end differently with weapons in the mix.  

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Feeling safe and actually being safe can be two different things entirely, who knew?

Some people trust the government to protect them naively, others have no such delusions.

It's not like I'm itching to shoot somebody,  Even in Nevada that would be a huge pain in the ass, I'm unlikely to be charged criminally, but I can still be sued.

It would only be in extremis and it would only be when I assessed it as being go time.  I wouldn't hesitate, but I wouldn't be trigger happy neither.

But I like having the option, the freedom to defend myself without being knee jerk criminalized by the state because lefty f@ckwits in Toronto are scared of guns.

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[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It all comes back to “Bowling Alone”.  When family and communities break down, kids lose role models, dads have nowhere to go and no one to talk to when times are tough.  Social cohesion and belonging are what save people.  Ultimately gangs are a perverse form of the hockey team or barbershop quartet.  People need to feel like they’re part of something.  If it’s a gang they’ll seek to defend the group and its territory.  Poverty feeds it because crime seems like a shortcut to prosperity.  Bottom line: Don’t let poverty get out of hand, give kids and adults healthy outlets and opportunity for social activity, and keep the weapons to a minimum, because fights will happen.   The fights often end differently with weapons in the mix.  

I think the bigger threat to your delusional paradise is the mass media.  It's like  mass shooters, that's not about the guns, they are serial killers in fast motion.

Serial killers are all about media attention.   Why did that Incel guy run 26 people down in "safe" Toronto?  Was that poverty? Was that lack of social cohesion?

Or was that just autism?   Danforth shooter?  What was his motivation?

The guns have always been here, there are lots of guns in Canada, and you'll never get rid of them, but why are these shooters coming out of  thewoodwork now?

The only thing that has changed is the media.

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[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I think the bigger threat to your delusional paradise is the mass media.  It's mass shooters, that's not about the guns, they are serial killers in fast motion.

Serial killers are all about media attention.   Why did that Incel guy run 26 people down in "safe" Toronto?  Was that poverty? Was that lack of social cohesion?

Or was that just autism?

It was lack of social cohesion for sure.  If this guy had friends to call him out when he started going off the rails, take him for a drink, play some pool, basketball, anything, maybe he wouldn’t have felt so alienated and angry.  

I don’t have any delusions.  No one is completely safe.  The sun may not come up tomorrow.  Safety is a risk assessment.   I know the difference between a relatively safe and a relatively dangerous area.  I’ve experienced both.  

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[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It was lack of social cohesion for sure.  If this guy had friends to call him out when he started going off the rails, take him for a drink, play some pool, basketball, anything, maybe he wouldn’t have felt so alienated and angry.  

Kids picked on him in school relentlessly because HE was the freak.  It's not society that lacked cohesion,  HE was the freak.

His "friends" were Incels online.   They are ultra freaks and geeks, they are the losers, but you can't cure them of being social misfits.

People don't have anything to do with them, because they can't be cohesive with people, because of whatever their personality issues are.

"Social cohesion" is a bunch of academic mumbo jumbo, recognize your weak spot there, professor, it's fallacious bullshit, society is not the problem, most of us are not incels.

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[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It was lack of social cohesion for sure.  If this guy had friends to call him out when he started going off the rails, take him for a drink, play some pool, basketball, anything, maybe he wouldn’t have felt so alienated and angry.  

I don’t have any delusions.  No one is completely safe.  The sun may not come up tomorrow.  Safety is a risk assessment.   I know the difference between a relatively safe and a relatively dangerous area.  I’ve experienced both.  

Since you assert that America is a relatively dangerous area, because of guns and lack of gun control, clearly you don't know the difference, and are just repeating the anti-American propaganda you've heard other anti-American Canadians spouting.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Kids picked on him in school relentlessly because HE was the freak.  It's not society that lacked cohesion,  HE was the freak.

His "friends" were Incels online.   They are fucking freaks and geeks, they are the losers, but you can't cure them of being social misfits.

I agree that not everyone can be stabilized.  I do think some societies are more volatile than others though.  I saw it in Russia, Marseille, the US, parts of Canada too.  You can smell the desperation and hate in some places.  No doubt there are some seriously disturbed people who are capable of acts most people wouldn’t dream of doing, but social conditions make a big difference.  

Edited September 30, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Since you assert that America is a relatively dangerous area, because of guns and lack of gun control, clearly you don't know the difference.

Zeitgeist is the classic aegrescit medendo academic, because he "knows" everything and yet is actually a fool. but these are the people who make policy in Canada.