Michael Hardner Posted June 26, 2019 Report Posted June 26, 2019 27 minutes ago, jacee said: Canadians are doing pretty well for jobs these days, like back to the heydays of the '70's! Let's not even mention that the idea that there are a set number of jobs to give out is not a good model of how the economy works. It's economic activity, so hiring someone actually creates more work... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Boges Posted June 26, 2019 Report Posted June 26, 2019 Does "Resettled" mean that they're still staying in Hotels on the local government's dime? Quote
Argus Posted June 26, 2019 Author Report Posted June 26, 2019 3 hours ago, jacee said: Canadians are doing pretty well for jobs these days, like back to the heydays of the '70's! Wages have been stagnant for years, and there is precious little job security. The only people prospering are those in the big government unions with mandatory yearly salary increases. We likely have a lot of jobs that need filling. If refugees have skills we need, qualify on the points system, why not accept them as immigrants instead of refugees? We do not have a labour shortage according to multiple studies. And according to stats Canada refugee employment participation is very low and their wages even lower. We've taken in a million refugees in the last forty years, and the cost to our economy and to government budgets is massive, since virtually NONE pay taxes. We do not need more phony refugees. We should make arrangements with countries near those areas which produce refugees to help fund refugee camps, but except in exceptional circumstances we should bring no more to Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted June 26, 2019 Report Posted June 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Argus said: Wages have been stagnant for years, and there is precious little job security. I saw that you avoided the truth in another thread, so I'll share it here. Canadians, especially those who are considered "white" are not doing well in school and cannot fill the skilled jobs. Also, immigrants are creating more jobs: Immigrant-owned firms create more net jobs and have higher growth than businesses with owners born in Canada, according to newly-released research. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/immigrant-owned-firms-create-more-jobs-than-those-with-canadian-born-owners-statcan-1.4393134 And, how do you feel about children of immigrants and how they're doing better than whites? “About 40 per cent or more of second-generation Chinese, South Asians and West Asian or Arabs worked in high-skill occupations, compared with 20 per cent of men and 31 per cent of women among third-plus generation whites,” says their February study, titled Intergenerational Education Mobility and Labour Market Outcomes. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted June 26, 2019 Report Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Argus said: And according to stats Canada refugee employment participation is very low and their wages even lower. We've taken in a million refugees in the last forty years, and the cost to our economy and to government budgets is massive, since virtually NONE pay taxes. Well my StatsCan link says different than yours (Oh wait ... you didn't provide a link!). https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2019007-eng.htm Quote The focus is on the labour market outcomes of refugees from the 13 countries (or groups of countries) with the largest inflows to Canada over the 1980-to-2009 period. Clearly, refugees' earnings are significant, and do increase with years in Canada, of course. Males and Females are reported separately here, but after a few years, it's likely that a refugee family's household income, while still below the average, is fairly indistinguishable from other Canadian families, many of whose household incomes are also below the average. There is a cost to bringing refugees to Canada, but that's simply an international committment we have always made. We are very fortunate that we are not a country (like in Europe) with many borders, many countries near us from which many refugees could arrive, eg, millions needing temporary refugee camps and all of the expenses related to that. We recently had some border refugees escaping Trump lol, but otherwise, not a lot of that kind of activity ever in Canada since Underground Railway, United Empire Loyalists, perhaps. Canadian complaints about 'refugees' are often just veiled racism from the far right, not really based in any significant issues. Edited June 26, 2019 by jacee 1 Quote
eyeball Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Argus said: Wages have been stagnant for years, and there is precious little job security. The only people prospering are those in the big government unions with mandatory yearly salary increases. We do not have a labour shortage according to multiple studies. We have a labour shortage where I live and its showing. A 15% pay raise just fell into my lap the other day and that was on top of the 10% I asked for a couple years ago. You hear the phrase living wage (pegged locally at 20.15) more often than minimum wage hereabouts these days. There's help wanted signs everywhere you look and I'm working extra shifts to make up for the shortage where I'm employed. Life's good here in la la land. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 4 hours ago, jacee said: Well my StatsCan link says different than yours (Oh wait ... you didn't provide a link!). https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2019007-eng.htm Clearly, refugees' earnings are significant, and do increase with years in Canada, of course. Males and Females are reported separately here, but after a few years, it's likely that a refugee family's household income, while still below the average, is fairly indistinguishable from other Canadian families, many of whose household incomes are also below the average. There is a cost to bringing refugees to Canada, but that's simply an international committment we have always made. We are very fortunate that we are not a country (like in Europe) with many borders, many countries near us from which many refugees could arrive, eg, millions needing temporary refugee camps and all of the expenses related to that. We recently had some border refugees escaping Trump lol, but otherwise, not a lot of that kind of activity ever in Canada since Underground Railway, United Empire Loyalists, perhaps. Canadian complaints about 'refugees' are often just veiled racism from the far right, not really based in any significant issues. So your telling me earnings of between 25 K and 38 K are significant, after 15 years here in Canada.....your cracked... How are they affording to live in large city centers such as Toronto....Shit even here in NB Canadians are earning on average those wages or a little better and it is considered on the poor side of the pay scale....now lets take off taxes shall we....those are not significant wages....first year privates in the army are making those kind of wages, and after 4 years of service are making 65k before taxes....only one group on your graph was making close to 50 K and those where polish people This is typical liberal response, if anyone does not agree with my opinion your a far right racist, you and your ilk are not interested in hearing any other sides to the topic.... just spamming your opinion on as many forums as you can , and then calling the rest of us racists... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 8 hours ago, marcus said: I saw that you avoided the truth in another thread, so I'll share it here. Canadians, especially those who are considered "white" are not doing well in school and cannot fill the skilled jobs. Also, immigrants are creating more jobs: Immigrant-owned firms create more net jobs and have higher growth than businesses with owners born in Canada, according to newly-released research. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/immigrant-owned-firms-create-more-jobs-than-those-with-canadian-born-owners-statcan-1.4393134 And, how do you feel about children of immigrants and how they're doing better than whites? “About 40 per cent or more of second-generation Chinese, South Asians and West Asian or Arabs worked in high-skill occupations, compared with 20 per cent of men and 31 per cent of women among third-plus generation whites,” says their February study, titled Intergenerational Education Mobility and Labour Market Outcomes. I did not know we were in a race to see how smart we are, according to jaccee charts it describes much money was being made by ethic back ground, which contradicts your chart a little .....and according to her chart which you liked...it showed that people of polish decent actually made more money....I'm not sure but aren't majority of polish people white, I could be wrong, but if it is true, then being smarter does not translate into earning better wages...as I don't see polish people even on your smart chart.... Also you forgot to mention what assistance is provided each group, lets say what government programs are available , both provincial and federally and what type of assistance is provided, tech assistance, financial, education, etc etc....are they of the same value....can they even be compared to equally.... And what kind of question is "how do you feel about children of immigrants and how they're doing better than whites?" like your rubbing Argus nose in it , or it should of ended with nana de nana my dad is bigger than yours...., lets look at corporate head quarters across the country, shit across America, pull up the photos of the CEO's of any large company like general motors, Canadian tire, ford, pick any large company, and tell me who do you see in those photos , are they all second-generation Chinese, South Asians and West Asian or Arabs or are they mostly white men and women....So how does that make you feel, when you know they are smarter for some reason but they are not very well represented in Corporate America head quarters.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Rue Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 Trudeau last week triggerednhis campaign pandering to the Muslim vote at an apolitical event making racist comments. Had the word Muslim been replaced by Christian but usedcxactly the same way he would be called a bigot. His tactc appeals to dividing the country into ethnic or religious groups and then bribing each group as his Immigration Minister is doing. He is cultivating ghettoes fighting over candy he throws out. Trudeau is convinced he only needs specifically targeted groups he bribes to get him re- elected and if that means blowing up immigration laws thinking it will corner his market on ethnic votes that is what he will do and clearly hat is what he iscdoing and each time Amy Amyone questions it, he simply screams out questioning his ethnic pandering is racist. Trudeau used the word Muslim exactly n the same manner Tasks uses it for what he refers to as "whites". Quote
marcus Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, Rue said: Trudeau last week triggerednhis campaign pandering to the Muslim vote How do you feel about all of the pandering by successive Canadian governments to the Jewish votes for so many decades? 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
taxme Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 20 hours ago, eyeball said: We have a labour shortage where I live and its showing. A 15% pay raise just fell into my lap the other day and that was on top of the 10% I asked for a couple years ago. You hear the phrase living wage (pegged locally at 20.15) more often than minimum wage hereabouts these days. There's help wanted signs everywhere you look and I'm working extra shifts to make up for the shortage where I'm employed. Life's good here in la la land. Money is good. Quote
Argus Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 4:43 PM, jacee said: Clearly, refugees' earnings are significant, and do increase with years in Canada, of course. Yeah, all the way up to around $30k except for Poles. But that's not a surprise. European immigrants perform much better economically than immigrants from the third world overall, and especially those from the middle east. What you're saying is for these million refugees, 39% of whom are employed, minimum wage is about the most they can aspire to. This is unfair to them and unfair to us. It means none of them are paying income taxes, so the rest of us have to pay for all the costs associated with them being here. Even the ones employed aren't paying income tax, leaving me to pick up the cost for their health care and all other goverment services. It would make far, far better sense for us to instead help pay nearby countries to fund refugee camps there, where our dollar goes a hell of a lot further. For the cost of putting up one refugee family in a hotel in Toronto we could be helping pay for the shelter and food of eight or nine refugee families in nearby countries. And then they'd be able to go home when things calm down. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
taxme Posted June 27, 2019 Report Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 1:43 PM, jacee said: Well my StatsCan link says different than yours (Oh wait ... you didn't provide a link!). https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11f0019m/11f0019m2019007-eng.htm Clearly, refugees' earnings are significant, and do increase with years in Canada, of course. Males and Females are reported separately here, but after a few years, it's likely that a refugee family's household income, while still below the average, is fairly indistinguishable from other Canadian families, many of whose household incomes are also below the average. There is a cost to bringing refugees to Canada, but that's simply an international committment we have always made. We are very fortunate that we are not a country (like in Europe) with many borders, many countries near us from which many refugees could arrive, eg, millions needing temporary refugee camps and all of the expenses related to that. We recently had some border refugees escaping Trump lol, but otherwise, not a lot of that kind of activity ever in Canada since Underground Railway, United Empire Loyalists, perhaps. Canadian complaints about 'refugees' are often just veiled racism from the far right, not really based in any significant issues. Canada is full. There is no more room for anymore new immigrants or refugees. Enough already. Bringing in more new immigrants/refugees will mean that there will have to be more of a need for more government services and more infrastructure. Where is there common sense and logic in all of this where some people cannot seem to get thru their pro immigration heads? Why can't people like you figure that one out yet? Why do you keep listening to those the pro immigration lobby minority interest groups who are made up of new immigrants that want to bring their millions of relatives here. These new immigrants have no love for Canada as far as I am concerned. They have only come to Canada for economic reasons only as far as I am concerned. It has nothing to do with racism at all although people like you want to make it a racist issue. You need to get away from that racism bull chit. In approx. two years Canada's population has increased by a couple of million. And all that has done was create more government services and more infrastructure. Wow, what a deal, eh? The populations of: Sweden -approx. 10 million. Finland - approx. 5.5 million. Norway - 5.4 million. Switzerland - 8.5 million. All those countries mentioned have next to nothing in population and they are all doing just fine. Canada does not need any more new immigrants. That is just leftist liberal lying bull chit that we need more new immigrants and refugees. There is a conspiracy to try and flood Canada with as many new immigrants and refugees as it can for some unknown conspiracy reason. Quote
Argus Posted June 27, 2019 Author Report Posted June 27, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 1:21 PM, marcus said: I saw that you avoided the truth in another thread, so I'll share it here. Truth has never been a part of your thing, Herr Marcus. On 6/26/2019 at 1:21 PM, marcus said: Canadians, especially those who are considered "white" are not doing well in school and cannot fill the skilled jobs. Also, immigrants are creating more jobs: According to statistics, which can be screwed with by any number of factors. For example, did you know that 65% of recent Canadian computer engineering graduates leave for the US soon after graduation? B-But why would that be when there are skills shortages!? Simple. Canadian tech companies pay a lot less than US tech companies. So when Canadians graduate they go south. Why don't Canadian tech companies raise their wages to compete? Because they don't have to. They're perfectly content to go to the government and start bawling about not being able to fill jobs. The government then lets them bring over high tech workers from places like India and Pakistan who will work for those cheap wages, and who can't get into the US. Which means those Canadians are creating jobs, but IN THE US, instead of here. We are chasing Canadian tech workers out of the country and bringing in third worlders who will work cheap. On 6/26/2019 at 1:21 PM, marcus said: “About 40 per cent or more of second-generation Chinese, South Asians and West Asian or Arabs worked in high-skill occupations, compared with 20 per cent of men and 31 per cent of women among third-plus generation whites,” says their February study, titled Intergenerational Education Mobility and Labour Market Outcomes. So you didn't post a link but I looked it up. Here is a decent summary of the issue. Four distinct groups are identified. The first group, which includes second generation Chinese, South Asian, Korean, and Japanese Canadians, is characterized by higher educational mobility and decent labor market outcomes. The second group experienced good educational mobility but low employment and below-average earnings. This pattern best describes the experience of second generation West Asians or Arabs, and, to a lesser extent, Southeast Asians. The third group includes second generation Blacks and Latin Americans who showed moderate educational mobility and low educational attainment among men, together with low earnings for both men and women. The last group—second generation Filipinos—exhibited little educational mobility and low earnings among men. So according to your own cite it is Chinese, South Asians, Korean and Japanese immigrants who do well. Meanwhile, West Asians and Arabs have low employment and below average earnings. Also earning low earnings are blacks, Fillipinos and Latinos. In other words, almost all source areas except parts of Asia (and Europe, which isn't specifically mentioned) produce immigrants with low earnings. What else does it say? These studies imply that the usual optimistic socioeconomic outlook for the children of immigrants may no longer be certain today, as the second generation of non-European immigrants has come of age. The study also shows whites have the highest employment rates, and that when it comes to earnings, Latinos, Africans, Filipinos and people from the middle east have the lowest earnings. So congratulations, Marcus. Your cite gives strong evidence that says Canada should stop taking in immigrants from southeast and West Asia, the middle east, the Caribbean, Africa and the Philippines, and concentrate on Europe, China, and Korea. And, of course, though you stuck your nose into this topic on refugees to flail around with information on immigrants, the same numbers would apply, except even lower. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted June 28, 2019 Report Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Argus said: Truth has never been a part of your thing, Herr Marcus. According to statistics, which can be screwed with by any number of factors. For example, did you know that 65% of recent Canadian computer engineering graduates leave for the US soon after graduation? B-But why would that be when there are skills shortages!? I see. So you're blaming the VERY LOW number of whites working in "high skilled jobs" on them moving to the U.S. Really? A few things for you to ponder, in response to your terrible argument: 1) How many recent Canadian computer engineers are white? How many not white? Take a trip to UBC and SFU and check out the diversity of the students. Especially when it comes to computer engineering students. But you go ahead and pretend that the people who are leaving to the big companies like Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc. are all white 2) Canada is becoming more educated, thanks to the immigrants. Where is your thank you? It also shows that Canada has the highest proportion of college graduates among developed nations, partly because recent immigrants are especially well-educated. The percentage of all immigrants with a master's or doctorate degree is twice that of the Canadian-born population. Link Twice more! 3) It's not just post graduates: The Immigration Department report, obtained through an access to information request, found 36 per cent of the children of immigrants aged 25 to 35 held university degrees, compared to 24 per cent of their peers with Canadian-born parents. Link 4) This is the reality that you need to deal with, instead of deny: According to a separate study by Jack Jedwab of the Association of Canadian Studies, 54.2 per cent of new immigrants in the prime working age between 35 and 44 had at least a bachelor’s degree in the cohorts arriving between 2011 and 2016, up from 30.5 per cent in the 1990s. By comparison, only 27.9 per cent of non-immigrants have the same level of education. Link So again: Why are the high skilled jobs held mostly by immigrants or children of immigrants? Because they're more educated. Not because whites are running off to the U.S. Edited June 28, 2019 by marcus 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted June 28, 2019 Report Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) On 6/26/2019 at 9:41 PM, Army Guy said: So your telling me earnings of between 25 K and 38 K are significant, after 15 years here in Canada.....your cracked... How are they affording to live in large city centers such as Toronto....Shit even here in NB Canadians are earning on average those wages or a little better and it is considered on the poor side of the pay scale....now lets take off taxes shall we....those are not significant wages.... They are the wages of many Canadians "on the poor side", meaning those below the average. The median household income reached $70,336 in 2015, according to the latest census data. That is the middle point of the national income ladder. Household may mean 2 incomes. Median means middle. 50% of Canadian households earn less than $70k, and 50% earn more. Refugee households may continue to earn below average incomes, but so do half of all Canadian households. Point being, refugees who arrived with nothing, maybe not even English/French, are soon supporting themselves as well as many other Canadians. Quote first year privates in the army are making those kind of wages, and after 4 years of service are making 65k before taxes....only one group on your graph was making close to 50 K and those where polish people. So army guys do pretty well, above average. Others don't do as well as army guys, but they still support their families. Quote This is typical liberal response, if anyone does not agree with my opinion your a far right racist, you and your ilk are not interested in hearing any other sides to the topic.... just spamming your opinion on as many forums as you can , and then calling the rest of us racists... Kinda way off the rails there army guy. Lol I'm just reporting the facts. Edited June 28, 2019 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted June 28, 2019 Author Report Posted June 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, jacee said: They are the wages of many Canadians "on the poor side", meaning those below the average. And under what economic scenario do we profit by bringing a million foreigners 'on the poor side' into Canada and spending the rest of their lives paying for their government services? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 A Syrian refugee about what brought her to Canada, her struggles and her commitment and appreciation for her new country. Link Quote
jacee Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) On 6/28/2019 at 2:30 PM, Argus said: And under what economic scenario do we profit by bringing a million foreigners 'on the poor side' into Canada and spending the rest of their lives paying for their government services? They pay into your CPP and OAS, Argus. Be grateful. We all spend our lives paying for our government services. Lol And according to a post above, many second generation refugees are doing better than other Canadians. Economic arguments have no merit and are just nonsense from the alt-right wing of Canada, who try to use it to camouflage their racist motives. Faith Goldy shrieking as she's chased through a ditch for harassing asylum-seekers is just alt-right porn. Lol Which wave of refugees were your ancestors in, Argus? https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/canada-role/timeline.html That is the best historical list I've found, but my ancestors aren't even listed ... because the Irish were (forcibly) British 'Subjects' so not called 'refugees', I guess? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Canadians 1.2 million Irish immigrants arrived [in Canada] from 1825 to 1970, and at least half of those in the period from 1831–1850 ... as the British-imposed famine/genocide intensified. Mostly Catholics were targeted to be pushed off their lands, denied the use of the 'common lands' that were enclosed to be used solely for the profits of British aristocrats. But my Protestant peasant subsistence-farming ancestors (who had fled England's aristocratic oppression to Ireland first), were caught in the famine too: All of Ireland's products went to England for profit, including all of the food products. None were made available to feed the starving 'undesirable' Irish, half of whom died on the ships, fleeing to North America. If 600,000 Irish fleeing the famine arrived in Canada in those two famine decades (over 35,000 per year), another 600,000 may have died trying. An Indian cab driver once exclaimed "Oh those ... English!" when a woman cut him off. Then he looked at me in the mirror and said "I guess I shouldn't say that." I said "I'm Irish! We don't like the English either!" Lol He had no clue what I meant. History lesson ensued: 'India and Ireland were both occupied by England. You (and Ghandi) kicked them out after 200 years. Ireland couldn't.' I can't speak for others, but my Irish family also has a (quietly-spoken) healthy awareness of Canada's tyranny towards Indigenous Peoples: We know how English-style stealth-genocide works. So do the Scots: Late 1700s: Scots Highlanders, refugees of the Highland Clearances during the modernization of Scotland, settled in Canada. English "modernization" = kick the people off their land, enclose it, 'hire' a few back as sharecroppers, virtual slaves who could never fulfill the aristocrats' profits and the King's taxes with enough left to support their families, and ship the rest off to 'the colonies' with a promise of "free (Indigenous) land". And so the plot continues ... The stories of Canada's refugees are the stories of world-wide tyranny and genocide. Edited July 1, 2019 by jacee Quote
dialamah Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/28/2019 at 11:30 AM, Argus said: And under what economic scenario do we profit by bringing a million foreigners 'on the poor side' into Canada and spending the rest of their lives paying for their government services? Even if the economic stuff you post were 100% accurate and the competing narratives 100% inaccurate, in what world should money come before compassion and basic humanitarian actions? Certainly no world I would want to live in. People who are guided by compassion and giving are happier and enjoy better physucal and mental health than those who put economic wealth at the forefront of their lives. Brain imaging shows equal pleasure in giving money as receiving it. And also from link above: "Half of the participants were instructed to spend the money on themselves and the other half were told to spend the money on others. At the end of the study, participants that had spent money on others felt significantly happier than those that had spent money on themselves. This is true even for infants!" An article citing several studies that link compassion to happiness and how material wealth can decrease compassion and the ability to connect with others. Further: "It is not surprising that compassion is a natural tendency, since it is essential for human survival. As has been brought to light by Keltner, the term “survival of the fittest,” often attributed to Charles Darwin, was actually coined by Herbert Spencer and Social Darwinists who wished to justify class and race superiority. Indeed, in The Descent of Man and Selection In Relation to Sex, Darwin makes a case for “the greater strength of the social or maternal instincts than that of any other instinct or motive.” In another passage, he argues that “communities which included the greatest number of the most sympathetic members would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.” Compassion may indeed be a naturally evolved and adaptive trait. Without it, the survival and flourishing of our species would have been unlikely." In case you'd like to become happier (and healthier) through learning how to be compassionate. Quote
Argus Posted July 1, 2019 Author Report Posted July 1, 2019 19 hours ago, dialamah said: A Syrian refugee about what brought her to Canada, her struggles and her commitment and appreciation for her new country. Link One of many such stories paid for by the Liberal Party of Canada - well, with our tax dollars, of course. Anyone ever notice how we never see stories of Syrian refugees, or any other refugees, miserable in Canada, wishing they'd never come, or refugees sneering at how stupid Canadians are and what whores their women are? Or refugees who have been here for years, living on welfare, getting big cheques for having multiple children, and having no intention of ever working? Nope. You never will. The mainstream media won't print stories like that because it doesn't fit the narrative they're so earnestly trying to build. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 1, 2019 Author Report Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, jacee said: They pay into your CPP and OAS, Argus. Be grateful. We all spend our lives paying for our government services. Lol Only 39% of refugees work. And most of them work at minimum wage jobs. So no, they're not paying for a damn thing, including their own health care and benefits. Forty percent of Canadians pay no income tax. Even Trudeau admitted that much. If you're not making a really good paycheque you're not paying much, if any tax. Even your GST is getting refunded. And btw, the CPP is self-funded. I pay for my own. As for OAS, the only people eligible for that are the poor, which means that a refugee who doesn't work, but who makes tens of thousands a year in child benefits plus welfare will be eligible to collect it when they get older. I, however, will not. Edited July 1, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 1, 2019 Author Report Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, dialamah said: Even if the economic stuff you post were 100% accurate and the competing narratives 100% inaccurate, in what world should money come before compassion and basic humanitarian actions? Certainly no world I would want to live in. You're welcome to leave any time. And it's pretty easy to be 'compassionate' with other people's money. The money I pay in taxes should go to helping improve Canada and helping Canadians, not paying to have a million people from the third world come here and spend their lives on welfare. If we want to be compassionate we should give money to countries which host UN refugee camps to help look after such people until they go home. Resettling people in Canada should be a last resort, and reserved for people who face personal targeted persecution in their own country. Of that group, we should favour Christians and others who will fit in and assimilate best. I understand Christians face particular persecution in places like Egypt, as well as Iraq. Edited July 1, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dialamah Posted July 1, 2019 Report Posted July 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Argus said: One of many such stories paid for by the Liberal Party of Canada - well, with our tax dollars, of course. Actually, it's a human interest story because Canada Day. Today's stories will be about people who got their Canadian citizenship, again because Canada Day. Nothing to do with Liberals. 12 minutes ago, Argus said: Anyone ever notice how we never see stories of Syrian refugees, or any other refugees, miserable in Canada, wishing they'd never come, or refugees sneering at how stupid Canadians are and what whores their women are? Don't need to. We gots lotsa folks like you, telling us all about it, true or not. No doubt there are refugees and immigrants who think Canada and Canadians are worthy of severe criticism. Just like you do, with your constant complaints about government and your regular demeaning of Liberals, progressives and immigrants, and declaring women who cover up are extremists. Good thing opinions are not illegal in Canada, that you can insult and criticize anyone you want just as newcomers to Canada can. 17 minutes ago, Argus said: Or refugees who have been here for years, living on welfare, getting big cheques for having multiple children, and having no intention of ever working? Nope. You never will. The mainstream media won't print stories like that because it doesn't fit the narrative they're so earnestly trying to build. All indications from statistics, even the ones that you post, are that most refugees work, and they work the shit jobs non-refugees turn their nose up at. Those that "sit on welfare with no intention of working" are no different than non-refugees that sit on welfare. The alt-right rhetoric you indulge in is a lot less accurate and honest than any mainstream media. Quote
Argus Posted July 1, 2019 Author Report Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, dialamah said: Actually, it's a human interest story because Canada Day. I've read that story dozens of times in the last couple of years in multiple newspapers. It's always the same story. Just the names are changed. Quote No doubt there are refugees and immigrants who think Canada and Canadians are worthy of severe criticism. Just like you do Yeah, well, here's the thing. I get to criticize my own family and what's going on in the house. Some guy invited in for free dinner does not. Quote All indications from statistics, even the ones that you post, are that most refugees work, 39% is not "most" and the ones who do work work at minimum wage or less jobs. Quote and they work the shit jobs non-refugees turn their nose up at Those jobs have shit wages because the constant horde of incoming low-skilled refugees and immigrants freezes the wages and prevents them from rising, as they otherwise would. That's how Capitalism works. Low wages don't get you enough employees for shit jobs unless people are desperate. So you have to increase wages to entice people to take them. Our elites have found a way around that by simply bringing in floods of unskilled labour. Quote Those that "sit on welfare with no intention of working" are no different than non-refugees that sit on welfare. Yeah they are. They're not family. They're not Canadians. They don't belong here. Do you know that Somali men have a lower employment rate the longer they're here? Why do you suppose that would be? Edited July 1, 2019 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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