Grassy Narrows Mercury Contamination

[Robert Greene]

If you been following the news, a member of the Grassy Narrows first Nation community, interrupted Justin Trudeau at a Liberal fund raiser.

Justin Trudeau shouted at the protester "Thank You For Your Donation", as she was escorted out by security.

Ya all know me as a hardcore fiscal conservative, and recently I have been coming down hard on natives. As a far-right conservative, I still believe all humans have the right to clean food, clean air, and clean drinking water. Industry needs to be held responsible for inappropriate contamination.

We need to cough up some money, and fix this situation with the Grassy Narrows community. I don't think they should have to pay out of pocket for bottled water. Either we install a state of the art water filtration unit, or we truck in fresh water from another source. This should be non-negotiable start.

I also the government must officially accept responsibility for failing to act. They have been given decades of warning, and I think if we can afford to give millions to Omar Khadr, we can do something for this community. We should give them a basic clinic, so members of their community can be treated for Mercury poisoning.

You ask me, how much we should spend?

In my opinion, we should spend $10 million to Truck in fresh water, build a simple clinic, and provide treatment for the community members.

There are 800 members in the community, and I think $10 million is the least we should spend. That's $12500 per person. Coming from a person who has an extreme bias against natives, I still think children deserve clean drinking water. This is one of the rare cases, when a first nations community deserves a lawsuit.

I would like to Andrew Scheer and the conservatives demand settlement. They can make up the money in other ways.

Does anyone disagree?

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[scribblet]

I agree, I do think they should do it and I don't know why it never happened, even after they received a settlement in 1985 from the Feds and  the Company that bought out  the pulp and Paper Company; why at that time it was never removed from the water.

Trudeau did promised to act on it but never did and of course chose to belittle a protester and of course the Ontario Liberals promised to act on it, but never did.      I don't know why it was never done.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Yup, clean water and treatment for the community must be provided by government, period.

[jacee]

KUDOS to all above posters for taking a stand on this issue! 

Unfortunately,  the mercury poisoning of Grassy Narrows is not only a tale of industry neglect, but frustrating and long term federal and provincial government neglect as well: 

http://freegrassy.net/2016/06/19/on-ignored-confession-of-toxic-mercury-dump-upstream-from-grassy-narrows/

Monday June 20, 2016

ON ignored confession of toxic mercury dump upstream from Grassy Narrows

Former mill worker confessed to burying 50 barrels with mercury poison behind infamous Dryden mill

Toronto – Last summer [2015] Kas Glowaki, a former Dryden mill worker, made a shocking confession. In an email letter Glowaki wrote that his conscience forced him to admit to participating in the shallow burial of 50 barrels of salt and highly toxic liquid mercury in a pit behind the Dryden mill in 1972 upstream from Grassy Narrows First Nation. When the former Grassy Narrows chief forwarded the letter to Ontario government officials over six months ago they responded by assuring him that the infamous Dryden pulp mill “is not a source of mercury.”  

Today, a Toronto Star investigation exposed that Ontario has neglected to clean up, or even locate, Glowaki’s reported mercury poison dump.  Ontario officials admitted to the Toronto Star that they had not tested mercury levels in Wabigoon River water since 1980 – the one test that could confirm whether the old mill site is leaking mercury poison.  

 

So ... now we have Trudeau and Ford jointly responsible to address 1)  treatment for affected people, and 2) cleanup of the mercury.

Will they be able to work together?

Trudeau has refused to visit.

I'll give Ford due credit if he does something to help.

As far as I know, those barrels are still buried and leaking.

Edited April 3, 2019 by jacee

[DogOnPorch]

How the Hell are we gonna keep 'em in the Townships once they've seen the glitz of Jo-burg, eh?

I think it's high-time to get rid of hyphenated Canadians and be aware we're all in the same boat. Division and diversity is/are all very well on paper...and in college classrooms. But out in the real world its agreement and cooperation that wins the race. Not the opposite...like stopping pipelines when clearly something needs to be done to get oil to market at the proper price. 

That said...mercury contamination...and other elements that are equally bad if not nastier...affects everybody. It has a way of gettin' tracked around...so to speak. Every human on Earth picks some mercury up...roughly twenty micrograms per litre of blood is about normal....rollin' around inside you somewhere. Once those levels hit about 80-100 mikes per litre...you've got some real issues with contamination from some source. Public safety is at risk and the problem needs to be addressed. Anything else is nonsense...no matter where you live.

Edited April 3, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[Robert Greene]

I've been following the conservative politician Michael Rempel, and she just made a video condemning Justin Trudeau for his condescending attitude towards natives. She said, she agrees that Mercury poisoning is valid concern. I think shes only bringing it up, because shes wants to get even with Justin.

You hardly heard a conservative bringing this up in parliament. I only heard one NDP member mention it.

If conservatives were smart, even if they don't care about Grassy Narrows, they would make a proposal in the house of commons.

I believe there is more going on. They're putting 25 Micograms of Mercury in FLU shots. Why do you think millions of people refuse to vaccinate their kids? The government doesn't want the public waking up to the dangers of Mercury. They also could be watching the community members like Guinea Pigs, and studying them for scientific research.

There is no momentum, so I would like to see someone start a GOFUNDME page, and raise some money so Grassy Narrows can purchase outside water.

A lot of selfish people will donate $5 or $10, just to send a big FU you Justin. I guess peoples motivations are flawed, but whatever works works.

In a cleaver way, get people to send a FU to Justin, by donating to Grassy Narrows.

My message too conservatives. Don't be so cheap, a few million to Grassy Narrows isn't gonna bankrupt Canada. Maybe it's unrealistic to clean up the lake, but at the very least they deserve an abundant supply of clean drinking water, and some basic treatment for the citizens that have been exposed.

Contact the mid-level conservatives and offer then some fiscally pragmatic ideas.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Robert Greene

[egghead]

There was a Grassy Narrows First Nation Chief Rudy Turtle on mercury poisoning interview (39:35) at vancouver radio.

https://omny.fm/shows/roy-green-show/cpc-mp-lisa-raitt-calls-for-snc-issue-rcmp-investi

 

It seems that they need clinic which can provide life-long treatment for the community members. Gov't needs to move the comunity out of the area first.

[Robert Greene]

1 hour ago, egghead said:

There was a Grassy Narrows First Nation Chief Rudy Turtle on mercury poisoning interview (39:35) at vancouver radio.

https://omny.fm/shows/roy-green-show/cpc-mp-lisa-raitt-calls-for-snc-issue-rcmp-investi

 

It seems that they need clinic which can provide life-long treatment for the community members. Gov't needs to move the comunity out of the area first.

It's unrealistic for a community of 800 people.

What Grassy Needs, is a clean supply of safe drinking water.

Rather then wasting money on clinic, why not spend $5 million building a State of the art water filtration building, or a 50 kilometer pipeline to bring water from another source?

If you ask for a clinic, there might not be any money left over to fix the water supply. I might sound cold and calculating, but I'm a fiscal realist. The government isn't going to build a mini hospital to treat a few dozen of mercury victims.

The people who have already been poisoned, have been poisoned. Ya got to prevent the younger people from getting sick. It's stupid to waste money on old people. Protect the young ones first.

I might sound offensive, but unlike Trudeau I would put an option on the table.

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by Robert Greene

[egghead]

17 minutes ago, Robert Greene said:

It's unrealistic for a community of 800 people.

What Grassy Needs, is a clean supply of safe drinking water.

Rather then wasting money on clinic, why not spend $5 million building a State of the art water filtration building, or a 50 kilometer pipeline to bring water from another source?

If you ask for a clinic, there might not be any money left over to fix the water supply.

I might sound cold and calculating, but I'm a fiscal realist.

The government isn't going to build a mini hospital to treat a few dozen of mercury victims.

Ya, drink water is an issus. Did you listen to the interview? They have a health problem  in hand. That cannot be cured with safe drinking water and it is irreversible. BTW, I mean,  if Gov't do not move the comunity out of the area, they need a health clinic.

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by egghead

[Robert Greene]

15 minutes ago, egghead said:

Ya, drink water is an issus. Did you listen to the interview? They have a health problem  in hand. That cannot be cured with safe drinking water and it is irreversible

 

I was the one who brought up the issue. I have an environmental degree. I know all about Mercury Poisoning. If the government has to worry about a lawsuit, they're going to completely ignore Grassy, and deflect and deny. If you just asked for a permanent clean supply, maybe you could get it.

What's more important wasting money on a clinic, or fixing the water supply so no one else has to be poisoned? The country's in debt. These are the hard choices we have to make. Maybe if Grassy approved some logging, and did something to contribute to the GDP,  we wouldn't be in so much debt.

If I was running Canada, I would fix the water supply, but you wouldn't be getting the clinic.

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by Robert Greene

[jacee]

6 hours ago, Robert Greene said:

I was the one who brought up the issue. I have an environmental degree. I know all about Mercury Poisoning. If the government has to worry about a lawsuit, they're going to completely ignore Grassy, and deflect and deny. If you just asked for a permanent clean supply, maybe you could get it.

What's more important wasting money on a clinic, or fixing the water supply so no one else has to be poisoned? The country's in debt. These are the hard choices we have to make. Maybe if Grassy approved some logging, and did something to contribute to the GDP,  we wouldn't be in so much debt.

If I was running Canada, I would fix the water supply, but you wouldn't be getting the clinic.

 

It's both.

We're doing both.

And more.

They can't drink the water.

They can't eat the fish.

Forests have been clear cut, birds are gone, animals are gone.

The clinic is already promised.

Water purchase is the immediate unmet need.

Cleanup and water system is federal.

Tell your MP.

Edited April 4, 2019 by jacee

[Robert Greene]

5 hours ago, jacee said:

It's both.

We're doing both.

And more.

They can't drink the water.

They can't eat the fish.

Forests have been clear cut, birds are gone, animals are gone.

The clinic is already promised.

Water purchase is the immediate unmet need.

Cleanup and water system is federal.

Tell your MP.

How do you cleanup a watershed with 12 tones of mercury?

[jacee]

3 hours ago, Robert Greene said:

How do you cleanup a watershed with 12 tones of mercury?

They can remove the leaking barrels. 

Clinic:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/grassy-narrows-meeting-indigenous-services-1.5080255

[Robert Greene]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

They can remove the leaking barrels.

WTF!!! ? They haven't removed the barrels already? I though this happened decades, and the water table got contaminated.

 

It's one thing to avoid dredging the bottom of the lake, it's another to leave barrels in the ground. How hard can it be to remove a few barrels? $20 000, $50 000

I didn't know our government was that incompetent.

Mercury is no Joke. I haven't had a vaccine in 15 years, and I won't have one because they still put 25 micrograms of Mercury in vaccines. Here's the FDA admitting they're in vaccines.

 

https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228

I know from research, 1 gram of mercury can contaminate a 1 acre pond for decades.

12 Tones was dumped right? Well that would be enough to contaminate 12 000 000 acres of water, or 48 500 Square kilometers. That's around the same size of Nova Scotia, if it were a shallow lake.

Do you know people from Grassy Narrows?

 

Why is there Aluminum, Formaldehyde, and Mercury in vaccines?

https://www.learntherisk.org/ingredients

Edited April 5, 2019 by Robert Greene

[Robert Greene]

This is why I get really angry with the Leftist clowns protesting gender labels 24/7. They're stealing resources from our real environmental problems.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Robert Greene

[jacee]

4 hours ago, Robert Greene said:

Mercury is no Joke

No kidding! 

[egghead]

5 hours ago, Robert Greene said:

This is why I get really angry with the Leftist clowns protesting gender labels 24/7. They're stealing resources from our real environmental problems.

ya, that is my issue too. This case and few other cases are against the leftists beliefs. However, we hear no sound from them. Someone should do a study on why leftists suddenly only foucs on "climate change" and "gender label"  now.

[jacee]

On 4/5/2019 at 5:05 AM, Robert Greene said:

WTF!!! ? They haven't removed the barrels already? I though this happened decades, and the water table got contaminated.

It's one thing to avoid dredging the bottom of the lake, it's another to leave barrels in the ground. How hard can it be to remove a few barrels? $20 000, $50 000

I didn't know our government was that incompetent.

Petition:

Find the dumped mercury barrels and help the people of Grassy Narrows

https://secure.canadians.org/page/39427/action/1?locale=en-CA

Edited April 8, 2019 by jacee

[Rue]

On 4/5/2019 at 5:05 AM, Robert Greene said:

WTF!!! ? They haven't removed the barrels already? I though this happened decades, and the water table got contaminated.

 

It's one thing to avoid dredging the bottom of the lake, it's another to leave barrels in the ground. How hard can it be to remove a few barrels? $20 000, $50 000

I didn't know our government was that incompetent.

Mercury is no Joke. I haven't had a vaccine in 15 years, and I won't have one because they still put 25 micrograms of Mercury in vaccines. Here's the FDA admitting they're in vaccines.

 

https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/safetyavailability/vaccinesafety/ucm096228

I know from research, 1 gram of mercury can contaminate a 1 acre pond for decades.

12 Tones was dumped right? Well that would be enough to contaminate 12 000 000 acres of water, or 48 500 Square kilometers. That's around the same size of Nova Scotia, if it were a shallow lake.

Do you know people from Grassy Narrows?

 

Why is there Aluminum, Formaldehyde, and Mercury in vaccines?

https://www.learntherisk.org/ingredients

Vaccines are another issue for another thread but the ad you provided is misleading. Just go ask your pharmacist or doctor about vaccines. You think they would deliberately poison you and open themselves to a law suit? That is for another thread? We all agree on this issue at least.

Edited April 8, 2019 by Rue

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid trolling.

[jacee]

10 hours ago, jacee said:

Petition:

Find the dumped mercury barrels and help the people of Grassy Narrows

https://secure.canadians.org/page/39427/action/1?locale=en-CA

Thanks Charles.

On topic:

2016  ONTARIO IGNORED TOXIC MERCURY DUMP

http://freegrassy.net/2016/06/19/on-ignored-confession-of-toxic-mercury-dump-upstream-from-grassy-narrows/

On 4/5/2019 at 5:05 AM, Robert Greene said:

WTF!!! ? They haven't removed the barrels already? I though this happened decades, and the water table got contaminated.

Not yet.

Hey ... Doug Ford can mosey on up in his Grey Goose party RV and clean up the buried barrels.

Ask his Party pr people: What are Ontario PC's doing to clean up the leaking barrels of mercury at Grassy Narrows?

[email protected]

 

Edited April 9, 2019 by jacee

[eyeball]

On 4/5/2019 at 2:05 AM, Robert Greene said:

WTF!!! ? They haven't removed the barrels already? I though this happened decades, and the water table got contaminated.

This is why much of the racism in our society is referred to as being systemic and it's still just as vindictive and malevolent when a country like ours allows this sort of neglect to persist as long as it has.  The real insult being added to this injury is the sneering contemptuous sense of being fed-up with natives that so many Canadians like professing to.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The real insult being added to this injury is the sneering contemptuous sense of being fed-up with natives that so many Canadians like professing to.

I find even more contemptuous those who only pretend to support. Liberals brazenly professed they would mend damaged relationships and restore broken trust.

"One that is rooted in the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples."   -JT

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I find even more contemptuous those who only pretend to support. Liberals brazenly professed they would mend damaged relationships and restore broken trust.

Pretend to support what, doing something about mercury contamination? Me too.  It would be pretty contemptuous if you were implying that I supported Liberals.

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It would be pretty contemptuous if you were implying that I supported Liberals.

For a while there it seemed like you do. I mean, you do actually... like... PM Justin Trudeau. Don't you?

Really, those who sneer at the notion of giving natives more support do so because it has been such a litany of failure. Incompetence and failure on the government side, along with embezzlement and organized crime, saw to it that the money was misappropriated. For the most part these people haven't found a place for themselves in Canadian society, and their future largely depends on government handouts, and selling cheap cigarettes. So why wouldn't ordinary Joe Bob just say, screw the natives eh. They don't deserve more money?