Will Raybould cross the floor?

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Yep, corruption is as vital and necessary to our economy as carbon and attempting to do anything about it will only harm our economy.  If we don't accommodate corruption other countries will.  We're in a race to the bottom that we can't afford to lose.

We can meet global corruption reduction goals by demanding higher levels of virtue from consumers in the economy but going after producers will only devastate our economy. 

I appreciate having high standards.  More than anything else I’m playing devil’s advocate because I worry about the consequences of overzealous responses. 

[Dougie93]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

You change the topic yet again. So I must be careful but I did not state being unemployed is an excuse or license to commit a crime just the obvious... that there is a correlation between unemployment and crime and there is clear evidence people who work are less likely to commit crime and so that when any government right or left in Canada creates policies it is well aware of that and thus importance isplaced on employment and what happens in  economically depressed communities. Captain Obvious.

Unemployed people are also more like to get sick and cost society medical bills  so whether you like it or not we live in a world where we are not just islands but inter-connected in many ways. This country with its size and weather alone required a level of centralized cooperation for people to have survived and built a nation. That's an apolitical observation.

Whatevs, suit yourselves,  your nanny socialist welfare gulag will just keep driving capital and associated entrepreneurs out of Canada while attracting an endless flow of illegal immigrants in return.

I wash my hands of it.

[PIK]

On 2/20/2019 at 2:29 PM, Zeitgeist said:

If you’re saying that SNC threw money at the Liberals, don’t worry, they threw money at the Conservatives as well.  Whoever has the best chance of winning power gets the biggest donations from the private sector. At least there are limits to campaign financing.  SNC isn’t unique in that regard, nor are the Liberals.  Want to talk US campaign contributions?  It’s unbelievable. 

They threw money at the libs and peanuts at the cons just for optics.

[Zeitgeist]

I think the Clerk of the Privy Council has credibility.  He provided important clarification and perspective:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5027617

Edited February 22, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

If she crosses the floor, will Trudeau still <heart> Raybould ?

 

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the Clerk of the Privy Council has credibility.  He provided important clarification and perspective:

And only a little insanity...

[cannuck]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the Clerk of the Privy Council has credibility.  He provided important clarification and perspective:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5027617

And you think he has credibility why?    Ah...because he is supporting your criminal employer.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think the Clerk of the Privy Council has credibility.  He provided important clarification and perspective:

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5027617

You find it credible when someone who is supposed to be politically neutral engages in politically partisan criticism?

You find it credible for someone who should not have a political opinion to incite and inflame the public making idiotic comments about assassination? You call that credible? If this idiot thought there was an imminent threat to the public he would no the last thing he would want to do is fuel it or incite it by speaking about it. An idiot would understand that, this pea brained moron did not.

His comments were out of order and show  him to be an opinionated, arrogant, above the law, fascistic creep who bristles at anyone elected or otherwise who disagrees with him.

His comments were absolutely unacceptable of any civil servant let alone the Chief civil servant. He has no right or  business stating any political opinion which he did. He made numerous legal pronouncements as to the conduct of Trudeau and Butt  posed as absolute legal facts when they were not and were simply his subjective political views.

Whether Butt or Trudeau or anyone else crossed the line legally he has no authority to say. He has no status to render legal judgement as to any influence peddling. The law is clear, if there is even an appearance of conflict or undue influence, the discussion should be referred to the Ethics Commissioner for screening not this sphincter muscle of a Privy Council head who is clearly partisan in favour of Trudeau and a passive aggressive weasel. He will when all is said and done be fired. He has made his job impossible to perform and I think he clearly came out in favour of Trudeau as he will not be around after the next election and this was his last fart at the wind. 

[Rue]

18 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Whatevs, suit yourselves,  your nanny socialist welfare gulag will just keep driving capital and associated entrepreneurs out of Canada while attracting an endless flow of illegal immigrants in return.

I wash my hands of it.

I wash my hands of many things especially the Privy Council Head, Justin and the weight issues of Jody, Doug (the other one) and the Foreign Minister who insists on dressing like a stuffed sausage.

I want decorum and dignity in office and people who understand the need to taper and modify garments to fit their contours.

 

[Dougie93]

Why do you wash your hands of Wernick?  He's rallying around your sad and failing nanny state which you defend and uphold.

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I appreciate having high standards.  More than anything else I’m playing devil’s advocate because I worry about the consequences of overzealous responses. 

I'm more worried about the never-ending grind of watching our standards being disappeared like so many troublesome activists getting in the way of wealth and power. 

There will be a response one day and there will be consequences. That's what I'm advocating.

[eyeball]

I don't think you really appreciate what it is I'm advocating PIK.

[PIK]

And harper was never treated badly by the masses? He was never threatened? And the privy guy stepped over the line big time and just made matters worse. He pretty well said the cons at are fault with the hate and division going on in the country that started 3 yrs ago. And the media , do they not have any shame, going on that the duffy affair is just as bad as this. Really?  Time for the GG to call a election. She can do that ?

[PIK]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I don't think you really appreciate what it is I'm advocating PIK.

Maybe I misunderstood, set me straight.

[scribblet]

1 minute ago, PIK said:

And harper was never treated badly by the masses? He was never threatened? And the privy guy stepped over the line big time and just made matters worse. He pretty well said the cons at are fault with the hate and division going on in the country that started 3 yrs ago. And the media , do they not have any shame, going on that the duffy affair is just as bad as this. Really?  Time for the GG to call a election. She can do that ?

She can but she won't.......    I think people are waking up to Trudeau's idiocy, if nothing else his moronic blabbering in the House should be enough to turn anyone off.  when are the liberals going to stand up for their party and Canada.

[Dougie93]

In the end, I agree with Wernick, except for the part where the revolution is going to be violent with politicians being shot, that part is just Americanized Democrat Party style hysteria to rally the sad and failing base, none the less, the revolution is coming, but it will not be violent, we will simply take Canada down at Quebec, by way of the Clarity Act, Quiet Revolution, nary a shot fired.

The Supreme Court of Canada, has implemented the instrument of Canada's doom, by its own rendered judgement.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Maybe I misunderstood, set me straight.

Hit the reset button...with a shovel if need be...revolution is a consequence not a cause and it's the button's resistance that determines how bloody it gets.

[scribblet]

51 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

In the end, I agree with Wernick, except for the part where the revolution is going to be violent with politicians being shot, that part is just Americanized Democrat Party style hysteria to rally the sad and failing base, none the less, the revolution is coming, but it will not be violent, we will simply take Canada down at Quebec, by way of the Clarity Act, Quiet Revolution, nary a shot fired.

The Supreme Court of Canada, has implemented the instrument of Canada's doom, by its own rendered judgement.

Toto.....I'm not in Kansas anymore

[eyeball]

Just now, scribblet said:

Toto.....I'm not in Kansas anymore

Canada has also faded from sight. 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Toto.....I'm not in Kansas anymore

Fear not, Canada is simply an agreement, the British Crown in North America will persist, long after Confederation has been dissolved, peaceful democratic transfer of power, from Ottawa, to you and the Queen of Canada, in whatever Dominion is your home.

[Zeitgeist]

Canada is fine.  Wernick, a civil servant who has worked effectively under both the Conservatives and Liberals, is probably bang on in his account of dealing with Wilson-Raybould, who has an agenda that I believe the PMO and cabinet quickly realized is counter to the country’s interests, not only because it makes light of rubbing out SNC, but because she threw a wrench in a progressive and reasonable new framework on Indigenous rights because it wasn’t radical enough.  Now even Indigenous child welfare legislation supported by the government hasn’t gone on the order paper.  It’s a shame because there’s good and important work being done on reconciliation, but she has criticized it very severely, even though she was there for the discussions.  

I hope that Wilson-Raybould jumps ship to the NDP where she can’t do damage.  Wernick made a pointed comment that no one in government has worked harder on the Indigenous file than Bennett.  Keep in mind that Wilson-Raybould doesn’t want to be Minister of Indigenous Affairs because she doesn’t want to be an “Indian Agent.”  This is her rhetoric.  It reminds me of Paul Martin continuing to complain about the PM after he became PM.  Wilson-Raybould has had much power for some time.  What has she done with it?

[Dougie93]

HM Clerk of the Privy Council himself invokes revolution in open session of Parliament.

Nanny state apologists whistle past the graveyard of their empire; "nothing to see here, move along, move along. . ."

[scribblet]

Warren kinsella points out some interesting factoids     http://warrenkinsella.com/2019/02/lavscam-latest-canadas-top-bureaucrat-assassinates-his-reputation-and-trudeaus-too/

[Dougie93]

HM Clerk of the Privy Council, is the highest ranking public servant in British North America, to include the Chief of the Defence Staff, and the Commissioners of the RCMP and CSIS.

That is the Crown itself, invoking revolution.  

As a Soldier of the Crown, I must take that under advisement, at the highest level of authority, as Micheal Wernick represents the Commander-in-Chief herself.

[PIK]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Hit the reset button...with a shovel if need be...revolution is a consequence not a cause and it's the button's resistance that determines how bloody it gets.

Sorry man , but you lost me.