Trudeau lying about SNC

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, I don't care what happens to SNC...a few thousand jobs means a lot more in Canada than in the U.S.

I am not moved by the jobs argument because of other domestic policy issues and decisions that have/will have a much greater impact on Canadian jobs, and not just for Quebec favourite SNC-Lavalin.  

I agree that it is very fun to watch Trudeau and his band of sleaze twist in the wind.

 

 

 

You most certainly are not moved by the job losses, as you weren’t moved by GM plant closures.  

[bush_cheney2004]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You most certainly are not moved by the job losses, as you weren’t moved by GM plant closures.  

 

It is what it is, and having been laid off due to plant closures one learns that it is better to move on to better things.

Jobs are lost (and gained) on a daily basis, so I don't understand what is so special about SNC.   Another member correctly pointed out that employment will just go elsewhere, much of it to stay in Canada for government projects.  

And it is not like SNC-Lavalin has been above reproach in the past...they have been riding dirty for decades.

Edited March 1, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[egghead]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You know as well as I do that the premise of DPA’s is that many innocent workers shouldn’t suffer because of the corrupt actions of a few.  

Butts has asked to testify and he has been granted permission.  All 11 implicated should have a chance to say their peace.  While I think they’re all scoundrels, I’m undecided as to who is worse, Trudeau and his minions for applying pressure to the Justice Minister or the minister herself for not seeking the remediation of a DPA.  

SNC will either fold or move its head office out of Canada because of this mismanagement.  So who is worse, Wilson-Raybould for her pride and ideological opposition to DPA’s or Trudeau for pressuring and shuffling out Wilson-Raybould because he didn’t like her refusal to pursue a DPA for SNC?

Because this is mostly about opinion, I think JT will survive as leader unless the Liberals lose the election, very possible now.  

I thiink JT will be ok as well. 

However, please stop the "saving jobs" argument. It is because it is a hypothesis. If this can hold water, there will be no criminal prosecution in Canada.

[Zeitgeist]

Let’s for a moment take JT and JWR out of the equation.  Is a DPA a reasonable resolution to SNC’s bribery in Libya?  We have no details about SNC’s wrongdoings and why or why not a DPA is reasonable, so it’s hard to assess whether JT’s team was right in pursuing one or JWR was right in refusing to apply one.  She won’t give her opinion.  JT is also short on details.  

[egghead]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Let’s for a moment take JT and JWR out of the equation.  Is a DPA a reasonable resolution to SNC’s bribery in Libya?  We have no details about SNC’s wrongdoings and why or why not a DPA is reasonable, so it’s hard to assess whether JT’s team was right in pursuing one or JWR was right in refusing to apply one.  She won’t give her opinion.  JT is also short on details.  

Was I missing something here? I thought JWR was AG, and it was the prosecutors' job to consider the DPA 

[cannuck]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Another political scandal.  Live by the sword, die by the sword. 

You can apply that logic to little Turdeau but it seems to escape you when it comes to your employers at SNC.

Again, there will be no job loss, they will simply move over to employers who can do business without resorting to organized criminal business models.

Edited March 1, 2019 by cannuck

[Zeitgeist]

57 minutes ago, cannuck said:

You can apply that logic to little Turdeau but it seems to escape you when it comes to your employers at SNC.

Again, there will be no job loss, they will simply move over to employers who can do business without resorting to organized criminal business models.

I disagree.  No guarantees of that.  Losing a major head office is a big deal.  I pass two SNC towers in the 427 each day in Toronto.  

[Queenmandy85]

I am disillusioned. Mr. Trudeau has shown himself to be a bully and long on talk but his platitudes have been all cosmetic. It almost sounded like sexual harassment. He doesn't seem to understand "No means no."

[Queenmandy85]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree.  No guarantees of that.  Losing a major head office is a big deal.  I pass two SNC towers in the 427 each day in Toronto.  

The blame for this lies squarely on SNC-L.

[Zeitgeist]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The blame for this lies squarely on SNC-L.

I disagree. JWL cares more about her personal ambition and independence than the public interest.  It doesn’t matter.  SNC is our biggest engineering firm but many more businesses and sectors will suffer in this politically puritanical climate.  I don’t have to argue anything.  The facts are on the ground.  

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/weaker-gdp-than-anyone-expected-shows-canadian-growth-stalling

[cannuck]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree.  No guarantees of that.  Losing a major head office is a big deal.  I pass two SNC towers in the 427 each day in Toronto.  

Yes, SOME of the employment at SNC in Canada may well be in support of their foreign business - but since they are barred from World Bank funded jobs, the only places they can work are those that require bribery and kickbacks to enter and sustain.  It is illegal for Canadian companies to do so, thus the problem of sustaining a criminal operation stays on the table, it does not go away with this one instance.   The work in Canada, however, will always be the work in Canada - regardless of who wins the contract.

Know the address well: I have to swallow a bit of vomit every time I drive by or walk in.

[egghead]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I disagree. JWL cares more about her personal ambition and independence than the public interest.  It doesn’t matter.  SNC is our biggest engineering firm but many more businesses and sectors will suffer in this politically puritanical climate.  I don’t have to argue anything.  The facts are on the ground.  

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/weaker-gdp-than-anyone-expected-shows-canadian-growth-stalling

public interest ?? 

May be people in Montreal care 

 

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, egghead said:

public interest ?? 

May be people in Montreal care 

 

It’s not just impacting Montreal.  We’re talking 9000 Canadian jobs. An excerpt from the Gazette:

“If the federal government allows the criminal prosecution against SNC-Lavalin to proceed,instead of entering into a remediation agreement, and if SNC-Lavalin is found guilty, the firm will be barred from government contracts for 10 years. It is already under a ban by the World Bank. It might not survive a guilty verdict.

And if the company were to go out of business, more than 50,000 employees worldwide, including 9,000 in Canada, would lose their employment. The large tax bills paid by the company every year would disappear. SNC-Lavalin would become an easy prey for a foreign takeover, say by friends of Canada, like the Chinese Communist Party.”

 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s not just impacting Montreal.  We’re talking 9000 Canadian jobs. An excerpt from the Gazette:

 

So SNC-Lavalin should never be banned from government contracts...no matter what ?

Interesting logic....

[mowich]

19 hours ago, PIK said:

Then as PM why did he not stand up for the 160,000 oil workers in alberta that lost everything. ? The left wing seems to have forgotten about them.

The left wing - most especially the liberal arm of it - cares nothing about the West, Alberta or it's unemployed workers.  They will resort to any tactics to try and save Eastern jobs though as is being witnessed now. 

[bush_cheney2004]

As expected, China is jumping on this opportunity to criticize the Trudeau government's "rule of law" when it comes to detaining a Chinese national for extradition hearings:

 

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China's Foreign Ministry grabbed a chance to question the state of judicial independence in Canada on Friday, as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government faced accusations at home that it had tried to intervene to stop a corruption trial.

Trudeau's domestic troubles have attracted attention in Chinese state media due to his previous assertion that his government cannot interfere in the case of a senior Huawei executive arrested in Canada and now fighting extradition to the United States.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-canada-huawei-snc-lavalin-1.5038640

 

[cannuck]

49 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s not just impacting Montreal.  We’re talking 9000 Canadian jobs. An excerpt from the Gazette:

“If the federal government allows the criminal prosecution against SNC-Lavalin to proceed,instead of entering into a remediation agreement, and if SNC-Lavalin is found guilty, the firm will be barred from government contracts for 10 years. It is already under a ban by the World Bank. It might not survive a guilty verdict.

And if the company were to go out of business, more than 50,000 employees worldwide, including 9,000 in Canada, would lose their employment. The large tax bills paid by the company every year would disappear. SNC-Lavalin would become an easy prey for a foreign takeover, say by friends of Canada, like the Chinese Communist Party.”

 

Criminals get barred from government contracts for a very good reason - and that reason is exactly what SNC has done many, many times at home and abroad.

It is not the tax bill that concerns the LPC, it is the kickbacks they will lose.   Once again, one may lose their SNC job, but the work will be don and all you need to do is go over to Hatch, Amex, etc. and the same job will get done by the same people - legally.

[PIK]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s not just impacting Montreal.  We’re talking 9000 Canadian jobs. An excerpt from the Gazette:

“If the federal government allows the criminal prosecution against SNC-Lavalin to proceed,instead of entering into a remediation agreement, and if SNC-Lavalin is found guilty, the firm will be barred from government contracts for 10 years. It is already under a ban by the World Bank. It might not survive a guilty verdict.

And if the company were to go out of business, more than 50,000 employees worldwide, including 9,000 in Canada, would lose their employment. The large tax bills paid by the company every year would disappear. SNC-Lavalin would become an easy prey for a foreign takeover, say by friends of Canada, like the Chinese Communist Party.”

 

But oil workers means nothing to this group. Let the 9000 learn what it is like to have a government against you.

[PIK]

And let's remember the Admiral's case is coming up and I think political interference will be popping up again.

Edited March 1, 2019 by PIK

[egghead]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s not just impacting Montreal.  We’re talking 9000 Canadian jobs. An excerpt from the Gazette:

“If the federal government allows the criminal prosecution against SNC-Lavalin to proceed,instead of entering into a remediation agreement, and if SNC-Lavalin is found guilty, the firm will be barred from government contracts for 10 years. It is already under a ban by the World Bank. It might not survive a guilty verdict.

And if the company were to go out of business, more than 50,000 employees worldwide, including 9,000 in Canada, would lose their employment. The large tax bills paid by the company every year would disappear. SNC-Lavalin would become an easy prey for a foreign takeover, say by friends of Canada, like the Chinese Communist Party.”

 

I thought you were talking about few million jobs in Canada. JT has over couple hundreds thousand workers lose their jobs because of his high std of ethics. Then, he can bent over backward for less than 10 thousand jobs. C'mon, give us a break 

[taxme]

On 2/13/2019 at 7:37 AM, Boges said:

The optics of slamming an indigenous woman who he initially had named Justice Minister is awful. JT is stuck between a rock and a hard place. 

Why do we have to be told that she is an indigenous woman anyway? Is she suppose to be special or something because she is native? Just asking. 

[Argus]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trudeau is just trying to have it both ways, supporting resource development and battling climate change at the same time.  I agree with walking that line.  But can he deliver on resources and the environment?  Can he deliver on one of those things?  

And that is his problem. He's playing to the Left in BC who don't want pipelines no matter what, but he can't afford to be seen as being against pipelines either - not because of Alberta but because of Ontario, which doesn't much like a PM who stands in the way of business.

[Argus]

I found this quite amusing. The revenge of Stephen Harper! How ironic it should fall on the man who took his job away from him.

The Harper government passed a measure 13 years ago to catch Liberal scandals. It worked perfectly
Literally, the first action of the new Conservative government in 2006 was to inaugurate an independent prosecutor's office to prevent future Sponsorship Scandals.

As the Liberal government descends into full-blown crisis, Conservatives could take some satisfaction that this is all happening in part because of a long-ago measure they implemented precisely to catch Liberal scandals.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/the-tories-passed-a-measure-designed-to-catch-liberal-scandals-thirteen-years-later-it-caught-lavscam?video_autoplay=true

[taxme]

On 2/9/2019 at 2:16 PM, cannuck said:

No,  but the government of the day had a responsibility to enforce the laws of the land.  On top of that, they could have put the back room senior Liberals in jail, where they belong.

Harper did nothing for Canada or Canadians. Just another useless politician getting paid to screw Canada and Canadians. Harper had a golden chance to go after corrupt liberals and to change many liberal leftist programs and agendas that did nothing for Canada and Canadians. But he did not. It is for sure that Harper was not Trump. Canada needs a Trump big time. 

[cannuck]

49 minutes ago, Argus said:

I found this quite amusing. The revenge of Stephen Harper! How ironic it should fall on the man who took his job away from him.
The Harper government passed a measure 13 years ago to catch Liberal scandals. It worked perfectly

Thanks for posting that.   I had forgotten about adscam and the legislative response.