How dangerous is Trump?

[taxme]

On 9/6/2018 at 2:31 PM, Boges said:

Sure, but cite the instance Fox claimed that. 

What you are asking me to do is to go back and check all FOX News programs from weeks ago. Impossible task for me at this point. But you could give it a try if you like? What more can I say? 

[Boges]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

What you are asking me to do is to go back and check all FOX News programs from weeks ago. Impossible task for me at this point. But you could give it a try if you like? What more can I say? 

What they didn't publish a story making such an amazing claim? 

[Don Jonas]

On 9/6/2018 at 9:09 AM, WestCanMan said:

Best-known means squat. The whole news media from NY Times to CNN & MSNBC is pure garbage and anyone who can't catch them lying is a complete moron or they're in denial.

"Did Trump commit treason when he asked if Russia could find the 33,000 emails?" LMAO. Obviously it was a joke but they didn't like it so they literally tried to start up the conversation about whether or not it constituted "treason". That's not an adult level of conversation, let alone professional, or having a shred of integrity. 

"Jeff Sessions may have committed perjury when he said "I didn't have any conversations with Russian officials or agents about election meddling" because's there's new evidence that he talked to a Russian"....   Ooooh so he talked to a Russian and that's means that he lied? No, we're supposed to assume that he talked about election meddling and that he committed perjury, because that's the level of integrity they in the "news" these days. 

They use the phrase "Trump's policy of separating children from their families" on CBC, CNN, CTV MSNBC like it's the truth or something. It's no more accurate than saying "Trump's policy of holding an election every 4 years" is it? Can Hannity now give credit to Trump for the fact that the US is holding democratic elections? That's accurate by CNN standards.

 It literally drives me insane when I turn on the news and I see that crap. CBC and CTV made "Maybe the PM personally paid back Canadians for Duffy's $90K worth of questionable expenses" seem like the crime of the century for THREE FULL YEARS. The current PM has been caught accepting foreign gifts, some of the Liberal MP's claimed over $100K per person for moving expenses, and Trudeau has misspent billions of dollars & he'll end up $10's of billions over budget but Liberal corruption is treated like a frivolous topic. It's not actually even a topic. 

It makes me think back to when I was a kid and I was just casual about watching the news, how stupid I was to just allow that BS straight into my head without the internal rejection filter set to "most likely bullshit".  

Russian collusion, lmao. Hillary actually used a law firm to knowingly/intentionally funnel money to foreigners for the purpose of election interference. Obama was caught on a hot mic telling Dmitri Medvedev to "Tell Vladimir (presumably Putin) that I'll have more flexibility after the election". And they think it's a crime if Trump's son allowed a Russian to give him dirt on Hillary? Since when was it a crime to allow someone to tell you that they have evidence of a crime? It's not. At all. If someone offers to give you information about a crime it's never illegal to listen.

Hannity's topics have all proven true so far, and at the start they seemed a bit far-fetched. Bias and corruption at the highest levels of the FBI...? Crazy right? Time for the tinfoil hats everybody! Guess what? Several top members of the FBI have been fired and there's more to come. Hannity is reporting actual, pertinent news about serious corruption at the highest levels of the FBI and "that woodward guy" and CNN think it's a complete non-story. Yeah," that Woodward guy" is a useless tool.

So the only example of a "lie" you could site was them saying it is Trump's policy to separate children and families, which it absolutely was? I thought you said you gave lots of examples?

Edited September 8, 2018 by Don Jonas

[Michael Hardner]

22 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) THE most respected and renowned journalist just made a book full of anonymous sources. Not impressed.  

2) Hannity's track record... 

1)  You are utterly fascinating.  Have you heard about Deep Throat ?  Watergate ?  If you have heard those terms, then Woodward deserves a smidge of credit.

2)  Hannity's a muck raker in the old style.  It doesn't matter what his "track record" is because his massive army of followers doesn't care.  They are fans of his like Justin Beebs fans and he can do no wrong.

I get that you have arrived on the scene of politics with no knowledge nor interest what has come before, and you are here to piss on all that has happened.  And that, too, is ok.  Your point of view is not important, only that there are millions of you.

[betsy]

14 hours ago, Don Jonas said:

So then why did you bring it up?

The fact is, the emails suggest Kavenaugh was in on the hacking scheme, and they definitely show he knew about it before he lied under oath saying he didn't know about it.

Nuff said.

Edited September 8, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

16 hours ago, Don Jonas said:

Look at the evidence presented and try to come up with a plausible scenario where he didn't perjure himself. Go on.

You mean......... "let's speculate about it."

 

Speculating is one thing.   But that's just that: speculation.  You can't peddle it for a fact.

 

I understand you're hoping Kavanaugh is found guilty of perjury.  That's the only thing the Dems can hope for, too.  Out of desperation, they're trying to throw "perjury" at him to see if it will stick.   But from what I can see (and how it was explained by lawyers given above)  - he isn't guilty.

 

here's the latest news about him:

 

 

Quote

 

Senate concludes Kavanaugh hearing; confirmation likely

Senators on the Judiciary Committee are likely to vote on Kavanaugh's confirmation on Sept. 20 with a vote by the full Senate the following week. Republicans hope to confirm the judge, who would nudge the high court further to the right, in time for the first day of court's new term, Oct. 1.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-kavanaugh-supreme-court-confirmation-hearing-20180907-story.html

 

No mention of perjury.

 

Wait  and see what happens next.

Edited September 8, 2018 by betsy

[Don Jonas]

What happens next? He gets confirmed. Even with evidence as obvious as what was provided. Kind of makes you sick, doesn't it?

[Guest]

He was always going to get confirmed.  I enjoyed listening to him equivocate, though.  Especially with the Hawaiian.

I mean, who hasn't received a smutty email joke?

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Boges said:

What they didn't publish a story making such an amazing claim? 

Posting anything like that would no doubt get a negative reaction from you anyway. So, what would be the point? 

[taxme]

21 hours ago, Don Jonas said:

So the only example of a "lie" you could site was them saying it is Trump's policy to separate children and families, which it absolutely was? I thought you said you gave lots of examples?

You and others here should know for a fact that when Obama was president children of illegals were locked up in real cages. Trump got stuck with that program. But the lying leftist liberal media tries hard to make it appear as though Trump started it all. Most people are so stunned it's beyond incredible. Stupidity really has to be their first or middle name. Just saying.  

[taxme]

On 9/7/2018 at 2:43 AM, betsy said:

Lol.   This latest on the anonymous writer has become an entertaining game of "whodunit?"  And, it had taken the limelight - shifting away from Mueller and all those who made a plea-deal.....and, Supreme Court nominee  Brett Kavanaugh!    

That anonymous letter seems to be taking the shape of a distraction!

 

 

 

I must say, the fun-filled speculation as to whodunit seems to have taken the gravity away (if gravity is what's intended)!  CBC panel of 3,  with Carol Mcneil were having a good time last night.  They all agree, this wouldn't hurt Trump!  And that's from the CBC!

 

Could it be it was Trump himself who had written that letter?

Trump? Geez, I never thought about that. LOL.  

[bush_cheney2004]

American politics is dominating CBC's "The National"....Trudeau is nowhere to be found.    It's Trump, Trump, Trump.

CBC should rename their "flagship" news program....."What Are The Americans Doing Now ? "

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1)  You are utterly fascinating.  Have you heard about Deep Throat ?  Watergate ?  If you have heard those terms, then Woodward deserves a smidge of credit.

2)  Hannity's a muck raker in the old style.  It doesn't matter what his "track record" is because his massive army of followers doesn't care.  They are fans of his like Justin Beebs fans and he can do no wrong.

I get that you have arrived on the scene of politics with no knowledge nor interest what has come before, and you are here to piss on all that has happened.  And that, too, is ok.  Your point of view is not important, only that there are millions of you.

1. You are utterly funny. Did you go watch the movie "Deep Throat"? Just asking. Woodward is a leftist democratic liberal and with most leftist democratic liberals they are not to be believed on anything they say anymore. Look at all the lies and bull shit that they have been coming up with in their stupid ridiculous efforts of trying to nail Trump on something. All in the end go nowhere but in the garbage heap. Have you not learned anything from all of this yet? What more do you need to see and read before you realize that the swampsters are in panic mode and are trying very hard and appear to be very desperate to try and get something on Trump before the midterms. In reality those sour bunch of grapes have nothing to offer to America or Americans except grief and more communism. 

2. At least Hannity tells it like it is. There is nothing that you can produce here where you can show us that Hannity is not telling the truth about what he has been saying and the information that he has provided about that corrupt and lying Hillary and Obama duo and the rest of those leftist lieberal democratic liars and fools in her gang of Trump and America haters. Can you? 

3. Who but you says that his points of view are not important? Just who is pissing on who here now? But of course we are all being led to believe that your opinions and points of view are important, right? There are millions of you also who have nothing important to report at most times. Just a bunch of jibberish nonsense. 

[Don Jonas]

43 minutes ago, taxme said:

You and others here should know for a fact that when Obama was president children of illegals were locked up in real cages. Trump got stuck with that program. But the lying leftist liberal media tries hard to make it appear as though Trump started it all. Most people are so stunned it's beyond incredible. Stupidity really has to be their first or middle name. Just saying.  

We're talking about how Trump used it as a systemic policy to act as a deterrent, not the occasional time it happened while people were taken into custody under the Obama administration. You should have the courage to own your own offensive policies. 

[taxme]

24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

American politics is dominating CBC's "The National"....Trudeau is nowhere to be found.    It's Trump, Trump, Trump.

CBC should rename their "flagship" news program....."What Are The Americans Doing Now ? "

The CBC and the rest of the Canadian leftist liberal media cannot get enough talking about Trump. They enjoy bashing Trump every day. 25% of their news is all about Trump. Trudeau is never around to be found. He takes more holidays than the average hard working Canadian could ever dream of being able to do. That prime mistake of ours gets to travel around the world for free and gets to make Canada and Canadians look like a bunch of stupid fools.  

The CBC is in the same league with the leftist lieberal American media like CNN, MSNBC and the New York Post. All they can do or want to do is bash Trump every hour of every day. They are nothing more than a bunch of crybaby sour pusses. Indeed they should have a program on "what are the Americans doing now". It's so bloody sad to see a once great nation like Canada start to begin to look more like a third world nation full of leftist liberal so called political actors and activists journalists and constantly showing us all their prejudices and their biases. 

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

1. Woodward is a leftist democratic liberal...

2. At least Hannity tells it like it is.  

3. Who but you says that his points of view are not important?  

1. In 'All the Presidents Men' you get to see Woodward state the truth of his politics ... "I'm a Republican".  More from Media Matters

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/01/woodward-as-liberal-icon-not-exactly/192862

In truth the respectable Republicans of the 1950s to 1970s, that promoted desegregation, that put in place trade pacts, NATO, the EPA would be liberal by today's standards.

2. Nope.  He's a liar and a swamp dweller.  He even reported on his own lawyer's troubles with the law without revealing their relationship.  Another liar which you will no doubt defend without reservation.  This is the new way of conservatives.

3. Me.  Because he doesn't even know the basic history of 20th century journalism.  I don't ask flat earth people about the details of their theory either.  I just need to know that they believe science is a scam, or a zionist plot or whatever.  If you think journalism is a liberal plot then good for you but I don't have to give such theories any attention and I don't.  

You don't have to believe my opinion of whether such people are important and I don't expect you to.  You believe anonymous internet sources, so you should keep to those moving forward.  They serve your needs well enough.

 

 

[taxme]

1 minute ago, Don Jonas said:

We're talking about how Trump used it as a systemic policy to act as a deterrent, not the occasional time it happened while people were taken into custody under the Obama administration. You should have the courage to own your own offensive policies. 

So, did not Obama do the same thing and use it as a part of his systemic policy also and try to make it appear as a deterrent to others? Obama allowed in millions of illegals into America in his time as president where Trump is trying to stop the illegal flow of illegals from entering America. At least Trump has now giving the order to stop separating children from their families. Obama did not. I know that lieberals do not like it when a guy like Trump likes to make people like Hillary or Obama look terrible. But truth hurts for so many people. You should maybe think before you speak for a change. Just saying.  

[Don Jonas]

No, it was not a systemic policy under the Obama administration to use it as a deterrent. 

[taxme]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. In 'All the Presidents Men' you get to see Woodward state the truth of his politics ... "I'm a Republican".  More from Media Matters

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2013/03/01/woodward-as-liberal-icon-not-exactly/192862

In truth the respectable Republicans of the 1950s to 1970s, that promoted desegregation, that put in place trade pacts, NATO, the EPA would be liberal by today's standards.

2. Nope.  He's a liar and a swamp dweller.  He even reported on his own lawyer's troubles with the law without revealing their relationship.  Another liar which you will no doubt defend without reservation.  This is the new way of conservatives.

3. Me.  Because he doesn't even know the basic history of 20th century journalism.  I don't ask flat earth people about the details of their theory either.  I just need to know that they believe science is a scam, or a zionist plot or whatever.  If you think journalism is a liberal plot then good for you but I don't have to give such theories any attention and I don't.  

You don't have to believe my opinion of whether such people are important and I don't expect you to.  You believe anonymous internet sources, so you should keep to those moving forward.  They serve your needs well enough.

 

 

1. All the Presidents Men was just a Hollywood movie. And with most Hollywood movies they add a lot of fiction to them. We all should now by now as to where Woodward's politics lies and it ain't with the republicans, pardner. Look at the latest fiasco going on in regards to his new book? Just more anti-Trump lies and bull shit. So just where and who is this anonymous guy or gal that has a lot of goods on Donald Trump? Why does he or she anonymous refuse to come forward and expose themselves? Why? Maybe because there is no anonymous to come forward? It's all just more liberal/democrat bull shit to try and bring forward some bad nasty information on Trump that they can use to try again to try and nail something on Trump. These fools like Woodward just will not give up with their childish play acting. 

2. Okay. So, what do you really have on Hannity that I may be interested in hearing and knowing about? Give me a scandal that he has been involved in? Show me the beef. Hey, you have on some occasions appear to have protected liars. Example: Woodward. I watch Hannity now and then and he does not appear to be a swampster dweller or a liar but appears to be trying to expose the real swampsters and you appear to have a problem with that? Why? The new way of conservatives is to expose the lies and bullshit that liberals and socialists like to promote as being great for Canada and Canadians. Trudeau is one big liberal bull shitter. 

3. I do not believe that you are any kind of an expert on journalism. Hannity should know something about journalism because he has been in the journalism business for a very long time now. We all should know by now that journalism is full of leftist liberal liars and bull shitters. The CBC, CNN, MSNBC and the New York Post are examples of this. The liberals and democrats do use the leftist liberal media to spread their leftist agenda and lies. There is a leftist liberal plot agenda to try and take the world over with their lies.  

Hey, everything that you say here would make it appear as though you are trying to serve your own needs here. Touche.  

 

[betsy]

10 hours ago, Don Jonas said:

What happens next? He gets confirmed. Even with evidence as obvious as what was provided. Kind of makes you sick, doesn't it?

It doesn't make me sick.   Obviously, he's not guilty.   Lawyers had said he's not guilty of perjury.  They've looked at the same evidence that were presented.

You see what you wanna see.  

A person isn't guilty....... just because someone wants him to be.  Uh-uh.  

 

Edited September 8, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Trump? Geez, I never thought about that. LOL.  

Have you thought of Mccain?   Someone was saying it could be McCain - before he died.

Edited September 8, 2018 by betsy

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, betsy said:

It doesn't make me sick.   Obviously, he's not guilty.   Lawyers had said he's not guilty of perjury.  They've looked at the same evidence you did.

You see what you wanna see.  

 

Agreed....the elements to sustain a charge of perjury require far more than the desperate wishes of Trump haters.   President Trump is going to get another Supreme Court justice in Kavanaugh, and he may not be finished yet.    RBG looks very frail these days..... 

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

American politics is dominating CBC's "The National"....Trudeau is nowhere to be found.    It's Trump, Trump, Trump.

CBC should rename their "flagship" news program....."What Are The Americans Doing Now ? "

This annoys me greatly. I want to know more about what's happening in Canadian politics, but can't find it. Instead all I get to hear is opinion panels talking about all the most absurd minutia, about some other country's president. I suspect avoiding talking about Trudeau is by design.There is nothing.

[bush_cheney2004]

44 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This annoys me greatly. I want to know more about what's happening in Canadian politics, but can't find it. Instead all I get to hear is opinion panels talking about all the most absurd minutia, about some other country's president. I suspect avoiding talking about Trudeau is by design.There is nothing.

 

Agreed...now they are obsessing on two presidents from another country.   Trudeau must be bad for CBC ratings.

[betsy]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

  RBG looks very frail these days..... 

Lol.  Dems might be plying her with enhancement and booster drugs - and maybe propping her up - just to prevent another Trump nomination.