Saudi Arabia expells Canadian ambassador

[Argus]

So apparently the Saudi royals are taking their queue from Donald Trump in going nuclear whenever anyone tweets something they don't like. In response to a tweet from Canada about a womens rights campaigner (the sister in law of people Canada has accepted as refugees and given citizenship to) the Saudis have withdrawn their ambassador, expelled Canada's ambassador, ended all future trade (except for selling us oil, of course), and ordered 12,000 Saudis studying in Canada to end their studies and go elsewhere.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/newsalert-saudi-arabia-expelling-canadian-ambassador?video_autoplay=true

The official Saudi news agency also tweeted a photo reminiscent of 9/11 showing a passenger airliner headed for the CNN tower, and the message " As the Arabic saying goes: "He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him"

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/pro-government-saudi-twitter-account-posts-image-of-plane-flying-towards-toronto-skyline

It is, I think, worthwhile pointing out that while assorted progressive idiots insist on blaming western interference in the Arab world for terrorism, almost every world terrorist group subscribes to the Saudi Wahabbi form of Islam, which is extremely violent, intolerant, and hateful towards anyone not following that school, but particularly to Jews and Christians. ISIS and Al Quaeda are both inspired by Wahabbi Islam, as are other world terrorist groups like Al Shabaab and Boko Haram in Africa, as well as Indonesian terrorist groups. Their common religious ideological beliefs flow through Saudi Arabia's cult-like version of Islam, which it has spent many tens of billions of dollars spreading around the world.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

Edited August 6, 2018 by Argus

[bush_cheney2004]

Meh...Freeland and her "feminist agenda" flunkies decided to do what Canada does best...smugly attack the internal policies and actions in another nation using Twitter while being guilty of violations back home.   The KSA doesn't have to take any crap from Canada, which desperately wants to finish a $15 billion dollar arms contract that sends lethal APCs to kill the locals in Yemen.

It seems that more and more immigrant "dissidents" like to get brave and use Canada as a safe base to attack the regimes/nations they ran away from, dragging Canada into the mix, and expecting that Canadians should join them in their self indulgent finger wagging tantrums.

 

 

[Wilber]

The scumbags then post a picture of an aircraft headed for the CN Tower. All but one of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis, so no surprise. Some of Trump’s and America’s best buddies.

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada still imports sweet crude from the Saudis...must be best buddies.   Too stupid to build east-west pipeline infrastructure.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Doing deals with the Saudi regime comes with substantial strings attached. If they want to cut us off over some anodyne remarks maybe that’s best for both sides. After all, they are a fairly despicable bunch. 

Edited August 7, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada still imports sweet crude from the Saudis...must be best buddies.   Too stupid to build east-west pipeline infrastructure.

Not too stupid, too Liberal/liberal.  Yeah, I guess you are right, same - same.

[Wilber]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

Not too stupid, too Liberal/liberal.  Yeah, I guess you are right, same - same.

Only BC2004 would take the side of a despotic regime with no respect for human rights over an democratic ally that is sticking up for them.

CDS so bad it is quite pathetic. Sad.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Only BC2004 would take the side of a despotic regime with no respect for human rights over an democratic ally that is sticking up for them.

CDS so bad it is quite pathetic. Sad.

 

Feel the burn....Canada likes to dish it out but hates the blowback in its smug face.    Freeland stepped in it big time.

[Wilber]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Feel the burn....Canada likes to dish it out but hates the blowback in its smug face.    Freeland stepped in it big time.

CDS so bad. So sad.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Wilber said:

CDS so bad. So sad.

 

Tell Freeland to spend more time worrying about human rights violations in Canada (e.g. First Nations potable drinking water).

So bad...so sad.

[bush_cheney2004]

Chrystia Freeland.....big mouth...big hypocrite:

 

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In a way, Canada is seen as very hypocritical when it does promote human rights here and abroad, then it trades [arms and military equipment] with Saudi Arabia

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/uncertainty-shrouds-canadian-arms-sales-saudi-arabia-171025203839543.html

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

It is, I think, worthwhile pointing out that while assorted progressive idiots insist on blaming western interference in the Arab world for terrorism, almost every world terrorist group subscribes to the Saudi Wahabbi form of Islam, which is extremely violent, intolerant, and hateful towards anyone not following that school,

 Yes, this is one of the main reasons progressives have been blaming so much terrorism on western interference in the first place.

This sort of revisionist nonsense reminds me of why I predicted the day will come when conservatives will blame the left for preventing anyone from doing anything about climate change.

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Their common religious ideological beliefs flow through Saudi Arabia's cult-like version of Islam, which it has spent many tens of billions of dollars spreading around the world.

And where how and why on Earth did these many tens of billions, not to mention a mountain of weapons end up in the hands of these manics in the first place?

Where's my fucking shovel? 

[cannuck]

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Tell Freeland to spend more time worrying about human rights violations in Canada (e.g. First Nations potable drinking water).

So bad...so sad.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/potlotek-chief-tired-of-waiting-for-government-to-fix-water-woes-irish-company-brewal-1.4293042

The Irish company that went to Potlek at their own expense demonstrated very simple, inexpensive technology and equipment that could reduce the iron and manganese to well within federal drinking water standards was shuffled aside.   I assume that the bottom line is that they weren't using the "appropriate" engineering and consulting companies (i.e. not those who are...let's just say FRIENDLY....to the federal bureaucrats).  Chief Marshall is probably going to go it on his own with the Irish guy(s).   This is typical of reserves all across the country - and also true of a lot of small communities.  While a reserve may SHOW 2 or 3 thousand members on treaty day, reality is that most of them do not actually live on reserve.   Most are actually very small communities in very remote places (as with many dying Western farm towns) and the cost of full scale water treatment is way out of proportion to what we see in big cities.   Problem is:  few engineering companies know how to scale down the facilities - and one of the big roadblocks is they don't have particulate media filter beds that can backwash properly (which the Irish company DOES).

We have encountered similar stories of completely ridiculous and seemingly incompetent behaviour by the feds in foreign locations.   It's all about the providers being "on the bandwagon" that seems to be steered by government employees that, well, you know - just seem to be living a lot better lifestyle than their pay stubs suggest is possible.

The Libs are masters at the scams of public money, but the Trudeau #2 bunch have literally no idea of the politics of the countries outside of Canada, nor for that matter, the politics and realities INSIDE of Canada.  Just their own twisted politically correct, mindless agenda.

Edited August 7, 2018 by cannuck

[SpankyMcFarland]

The thing is we don't send an ambassador home because their govt highlighted our asbestos problem or the deplorable conditions on our reserves. KSA will never reform if it can't accept mild criticism from abroad. 

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The thing is we don't send an ambassador home because their govt highlighted our asbestos problem or the deplorable conditions on our reserves. KSA will never reform if it can't accept mild criticism from abroad. 

 

But it wasn't just mild criticism...it was a "demand" that the KSA immediately release prisoners....big difference.

Freeland didn't anticipate such strong Saudi blowback from Canada's usual and annoying whining about "human rights" violations in other nations, something it is famous for doing in grandstanding fashion.    If she knew this would be the response, I don't think she would have opened her big mouth on Twitter.....perhaps a more discrete and diplomatic approach. 

TRudeau/Freeland "playing to their base" has consequences.

Edited August 7, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[SpankyMcFarland]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But it wasn't just mild criticism...it was a "demand" that the KSA immediately release prisoners....big difference.

Freeland didn't anticipate such strong Saudi blowback from Canada's usual and annoying whining about "human rights" violations in other nations, something it is famous for doing in grandstanding fashion.    If she knew this would be the response, I don't think she would have opened her big mouth on Twitter.....perhaps a more discrete and diplomatic approach. 

TRudeau/Freeland "playing to their base" has consequences.

It was a comment on the mistreatment of peaceful protesters in a foreign country. There's no hope for reform in KSA if it can't even tolerate that. 

And you're really going to criticize Canadian politicians for using Twitter indiscreetly?

Edited August 7, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

It was a comment on the mistreatment of peaceful protesters in a foreign country. There's no hope for reform in KSA if it can't even tolerate that. 

And you're really going to criticize Canadian politicians for using Twitter indiscreetly?

 

So what ?    Sovereign nations can treat protesters, peaceful or otherwise according to their laws.   Ever seen what happens to "peaceful" protesters in Toronto or Montreal ?

Canadian politicians can use America's Twitter any way they wish, but also deal with the consequences.   Freeland wanted to grandstand to a wider audience for political gain, and now Canada is paying the price.    She effed up.....

[bush_cheney2004]

Can't make this stuff up.....Canada is holding a Saudi national at the Laval detention center while Freeland urges the immediate release of criminals in the KSA.

 

Saudi man fears being separated from family as deportation looms

[GostHacked]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Can't make this stuff up.....Canada is holding a Saudi national at the Laval detention center while Freeland urges the immediate release of criminals in the KSA.

 

Saudi man fears being separated from family as deportation looms

Remember when the Bush family flew all the Saudi's home after 911 and after all other planes were grounded? That's some special treatment!

[Wilber]

Saudi wankers don't like being called out by a woman. Something they have in common with Trump and Trumpsters.

[Centerpiece]

I'll eventually get to the Trudeau government with a point - but some background first.

Saudi Arabia is a very complex case - but over the past year, with the new Crown Prince - Mohammed Bin Salman (MBS) at the helm - the Kingdom has been making clear signs and policies that this new leader is indeed trying to move Saudi Arabia to a more moderate Islam. Complex - because changing history and culture in a Wahibi dominated country is like trying to turn around the Queen Mary. And remember - the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran is a Saudi enemy. Iran's radical theocracy is a sponsor of terrorism - hence Saudi's involvement in Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Yemen.

Diplomacy is tricky because one has to put water in their wine to accept the small steps (big ones for the Kingdom) that are being made by MBS. One could fill up our board with past criticisms of Saudi Arabia - but we should be cautiously hopeful that MBS will continue with reforms - slow though they may be.

Power and Politics had a couple of interesting commentators who indicated that the $15 billion Lav deal was not really that important to the Kingdom. It was meant to be the start of a trading relationship that the Saudis were willing to build with Canada. Because of some negative press on the Lavs, the Liberals dropped much of the building of that relationship and put the Saudis on the back burner. The Saudis felt betrayed and Freeland's tweet was the last straw.

The Trudeau government has ruined just about every relationship they have been asked to manage - most of the TPP partners but especially Japan, India of course, Belgium, China - and now Saudi Arabia. They have little or no Foreign Affairs strategies and quite frankly, our allies have shown little interest in dialogueing with our shallow Prime Minister. That's probably why allies have not shown any support for Canada's virtuous ramblings. 

The relationship looks unsalvageable - but a silver lining might be that it's a good opportunity to re-engage on the Canada East Pipeline

Link: https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-a-year-of-change-with-a-new-crown-prince/

[OftenWrong]

Liberals were about to wrap up a multi-billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia, which simply would not look good if it were questioned by the party's ideologically bent supporters. That tweet was not intended to accomplish anything towards human rights, for what could be expected from a mere tweet? Sending it out was a feel-good statement for their supporters. That way when it comes out that "the Trudeau government finalized a huge arms deal with the Saudi, who want to use it for...", the response could be "Yeah, but at least we told them off on their deplorable human rights record. Way to go, Trudeau!"

They never guessed how it would totally blow up in their faces. They probably should have known better, given the disastrous reaction from Donald Trump when Trudeau sent his little wisecrack tweet. Hoping that either Trump wouldn't notice or not care. I bet Trump is having a good laugh right now. Didn't offer his help, either. I see. 

In fact I'll bet he doesn't mind this happening whatsoever.

Meanwhile Liberal opinion panels on Canadian media are stammering, unable to offer any words of comfort to those, in whom the madness of Liberal party dichotomy slowly grows. Other than, "Oh well, maybe it IS a better idea to nationalize." How pathetic.

Edited August 7, 2018 by OftenWrong

[August1991]

On 8/6/2018 at 7:58 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Meh...Freeland and her "feminist agenda" flunkies decided to do what Canada does best...smugly attack the internal policies and actions in another nation using Twitter while being guilty of violations back home.

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Largely agree with you, BC.

I reckon that if we know about this, Trudeau Jnr is looking for votes.

[bush_cheney2004]

Now the real Canada is speaking out...the Canada that likes well paying jobs from U.S. defense contractor subsidiaries making deals with Saudi Arabia.

 

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With that country now threatening new sanctions on trade, the impact on jobs both at General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) and its 500 Canadian suppliers are at risk. 

"There is an absolute clear and present risk to jobs," said Unifor Local 27 president Jim Reid, who represents 470 factory workers at GDLS. An additional 1,500 non-unionized people are also employed at the London headquarters.  

"There's a lot of anxiety, but let's hope cooler heads prevail on the Saudi side," Reid said. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/general-dynamics-saudi-arabia-lav-1.4776182

 

Human rights grandstanding by Trudeau & Freeland does not pay the bills in Ontario.

[Centerpiece]

Could be that the worst part of what the Trudeau gang has brought upon Canada is the eventual departure of 18,000 Saudi university students - they will be transferred to the US, Australia and others. Not only does it take significant funding from universities - but it wastes an opportunity to indoctrinate Saudi youth to Canadian democracy - and take that back home. That should be all part of the longer term plan to help the Kingdom turn the ship around.