Horwath, NDP: "Donate a little bit more taxes....."

[WIP]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

When people like Horvath and Trudeau refer to 'the wealthy' they are not talking about people who control corporations. The additional taxes on 'the wealthy' that the federal and provincial governments have imposed over the past several years have been aimed at the upper middle class - doctors, lawyers, software engineers, entrepreneurs, accountants, architects, etc., not the people who are driven around in limousines.

It has been. It has also been raising all boats across the world for the past 30 years. 

I don't know Andrea Horvath personally...though I do live in Hamilton, and like most NDP candidates who win federal and provincial office, she has been able to hold on to her seat by being a better than liberal-or-conservative constituency worker. So, most people who have talked or dealt with Andrea Horvath or people in her office have good things to say regardless of their political opinions. 

That said, I believe her political orientation is as far left as she believes she is able to take her party. Remember that the biggest problem she had as Ontario NDP leader last time around was the perceived shift she made to the center to appease the more centrist leaders of the Party. And Trudeau...I figured from the start, was an empty suit, who would say whatever he felt people wanted to hear. How else could he promise more pipelines to the oil interests out west/ while promising to honor all the treaties and conditions of land claims by first nations who didn't want pipelines running through their territories regardless of money being offered to throw at them to sweeten the pot? Obviously Trudeau had to disappoint someone...and by trying to play Solomon and split the baby....approving some pipelines and refusing others, he's made enemies with all sides! Isn't that what usually happens when a centrist narcissist has to show clear conviction...someone get Barack Obama on the line for confirmation!

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, WIP said:

 Like the building of the state highway system in the US, this all could be considered a free gift from the Governments to the Highway Lobby- the car companies, oil companies and their investors.

 

No on all counts....the U.S. interstate highway system resulted from a national defense/economic strategy and Depression era jobs programs.   Eisenhower liked what he saw in Germany's autobahn.  The system was/is mostly funded by tolls and fuels taxes, and is the backbone for transportation of goods and services (e.g. trucking). 

The provinces have nothing like it, and as stated by another member, one has to wonder where all the tax revenue goes in Canada, especially in Ontario, which now has more public debt than California (but a much smaller population).

 

[taxme]

15 hours ago, WIP said:

WE? Who's the 'we' that will be paying higher taxes? Mostly those in the top income bracket who believe that neither they/nor the corporations they control should have to pay any taxes. If supply side economic theory actually worked in practice, the "rising tide" would have been raising all boats south of the border for the past 30 years already instead of making America even more unequal and dysfunctional! A vote for the Cons is vote for a US style hollowed out economy.

So, what the hell has the Trudeau/liberals done for Canada as of yet since they took power years ago except maybe to flood Canada with plenty of legal/illegal refugees. At least some conservatives have an idea as to what to do about this problem. Canada is well on it's way to becoming a dysfunctional third world hell hole with the liberals/ndp pretty much running Canada now. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No on all counts....the U.S. interstate highway system resulted from a national defense/economic strategy and Depression era jobs programs.   Eisenhower liked what he saw in Germany's autobahn.  The system was/is mostly funded by tolls and fuels taxes, and is the backbone for transportation of goods and services (e.g. trucking). 

The provinces have nothing like it, and as stated by another member, one has to wonder where all the tax revenue goes in Canada, especially in Ontario, which now has more public debt than California (but a much smaller population).

 

What Horvath will be doing if she becomes the premier of Ontario will be to fork out hundreds of millions of Ontario taxpayer's tax dollars on tens of thousands of criminal illegals. Fyi, 7600 illegals have already entered Canada illegally since January from America. It sure looks like Trump is cleaning out the illegal aliens house alright and being able to dump all of his stuff into Canada.  Lucky us, eh? 

Edited May 21, 2018 by taxme

[bush_cheney2004]

27 minutes ago, taxme said:

Most of our stolen money(taxes)are pretty much now going to house, feed and clothe legal and illegal refugees. 7600 criminal illegals have already crossed our border from America since the year began. Hundreds of millions of the Canadian taxpayer's tax dollars are going to people who do not deserve any of it at all. 

 

No doubt...leaving far less money available for infrastructure projects.  Gas plants, wind turbines, bridges, hydro plants...no shortage of fiascos in Wynne's Liberal controlled Ontario.

In January 2016, there was a bearing/expansion joint failure on the new Nipigon River Bridge in Ontario, effectively cutting off eastern and western Canada land transport. 

I couldn't believe what I was reading in the news....a single point of failure for a entire provincial/national highway system ?  Taking out this bridge cuts Canada in half.

Then came the funniest part....the recommended detour was...wait for it...go through the United States !

"There's a hole in Daddy's arm...where all the money goes." - John Prine

Edited May 21, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No doubt...leaving far less money available for infrastructure projects.  Gas plants, wind turbines, bridges, hydro plants...no shortage of fiascos in Wynne's Liberal controlled Ontario.

In January 2016, there was a bearing/expansion joint failure on the new Nipigon River Bridge in Ontario, effectively cutting off eastern and western Canada land transport. 

I couldn't believe what I was reading in the news....a single point of failure for a entire provincial/national highway system ?  Taking out this bridge cuts Canada in half.

Then came the funniest part....the recommended detour was...wait for it...go through the United States !

"There's a hole in Daddy's arm...where all the money goes." - John Prine

If only Western Canada could stay cut off from the east forever Western Canada would be one of the most wealthiest countries in the world. The West does not need a stinking East to survive. The east has dumped so many liberal/communist/multicultural programs and agendas on the West that the West is pretty much poor and broke from it all. The West will never see it's true potential because of the east which will always try to be a pain in the ass to the West and continue to be allowed to steal it's money also. The West is screwed unless they decide enough already and get the hell out of this bloody link to the east. What more can be said. 

[betsy]

3 hours ago, WIP said:

Certainly, carbon taxes are similar to sales taxes (which conservatives don't seem to object to, since it was Mulroo who brought us the GST to start with!) in that even the poorest people have to buy food, clothing and other necessities as well as paying rent, and all taxes on consumption are going to pull more money out of the pockets of lower income earners than richer people who...as we hear so often about the Filthy Rich - can only buy so many mansions, cars, yachts, private tropical islands etc. with their ill-gotten gains. Therefore consumer taxes take proportionately less from the rich than those in the lower income demographics. That was the only reason why the Feds sweetened the deal offering GST-now-HST rebates here in Ontario...which don't matter a crap if you're in the middle income levels and earn too much to qualify for rebates!

But, as the CBC story notes, many of us who had spent years doing long commutes on the highway back n forth to work started feeling an incentive to give up driving 100 miles every day as we got older and the long drives started taking more out of us by way of sleep deprivation. That along with rising insurance costs, gas, vehicle maintenance and just having to go through buying a new or newer 2nd hand vehicle every 4 to 5 years was enough to push me to move closer to work, even if it meant having to drop one or both cars entirely! If you move into an urban center with good public transit access...not to mention if you don't mind riding a bike or running and walking a few miles each day, getting rid of the car is a pleasure...not to mention reducing carbon impacts of the vehicle and the carbon/resource costs of producing more and more cars!

There was a time in Canada and the US when nobody had a car, and it wasn't until after the end of WWII that the majority of working adults were buying and driving their own cars. This move to the private automobile is presented as a personal consumer choice in our BS historical narratives, but according to my father...who grew up and came of age during the Depression and went to war along with so many others of that generation, he intended to get married, buy a house and do other things before thinking about buying a car...BUT he felt like he had no choice because cities and towns where he moved to (Niagara Peninsula) started ending bus service to factories, closing street car rail lines..like one that ran along the Welland Canal from Port Colbourne to St. Catharines, and scaling back local transit as well as between cities and towns. This all occurred at a time when the Feds borrowed billions from the Bank of Canada (then still printing the money, and having the power to loan money into existence..that was handed over to the chartered banks) all to build hundreds of miles of new highways across Ontario and across Canada. Like the building of the state highway system in the US, this all could be considered a free gift from the Governments to the Highway Lobby- the car companies, oil companies and their investors. 

Now, putting this all out there, I ask 'why can't we take it back in the other direction, now that we know the environmental crisis this world is headed for, as well as looming resource shortages and rising prices that continued car production will cause?'

I think the real problem and likely futility of trying to deal with environmental crises is that most people want to save the future for the generations coming after us, PROVIDED it doesn't cost them any...even the slightest discomfort! Recently, a nationwide poll found that almost 80% of Canadians accept the standard narrative on GHG's causing global warming BUT, barely 20% are willing to spend more or receive less in benefits to deal with the crisis! 

To me, this tells me that liberals are the worst actors of all in this drama! Unlike conservatives, they don't live in denial of scientific evidence or could care less, but instead want to pretend to be doing something about it that will cost them very little....like turning out the lights on Earth Day!  Now, I believe the only hope for survival of complex life on Planet Earth and the only fainter hope of human survival for more than another century is the total collapse and end of modern capitalist industrial civilization. At some point in the future of this crazy system, everything will be used up beyond the point of profitability and the exploitation of this world will end! I just hope that people can survive somewhere on this planet as it continues heating up over the next thousand years or so!

Never mind about Mulroney and the GST.  

Ontario is in the red - with this huge deficit we've got, thanks to Wynne.  If Horwath wins, she' ll be adding another huge one on top of that!

And of course, if Wynne hadn't scared off businesses - Horwath, being a socialist,  will terrify the daylights out of them!  We'd really be doomed. 

 

You may have your own way at saving cost - unfortunately, so many Ontarians don't have that option.  So many are living from paycheck to paycheck as it is!  That's why majority of Canadians from all parties, prefer spending cuts to start reducing our deficit.

Liberals are busy squandering money elsewhere - like that stupid open invitation Trudeau had issued to the world -  - instead of doing something to prepare for the changing climate!  If they are squandering money - they can't be serious about climate change.   Talk is cheap.  They're simply parroting what will get them votes!

 

If they aren't so serious about what they say is a crucial climate change period - then why should we believe them?  Do they act like they're even worried about it?  Nah.

 

 

Edited May 21, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

Thanks to Argus' latest status update about  Horwath's plan to make Ontario a sanctuary province.  That should go very well to Ontarians - especially in the GTA.  Now, I'm back to being depressed......and I'm livid!

 

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Earlier in the year, you might have seen the outrage over the Ontario NDP's intention to declare Ontario a "sanctuary province." Declaring Ontario a sanctuary province would make all provincial services and protections accessible to everyone — including refugees and undocumented or out-of-permit individuals — regardless of their immigration status.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/syed-hussan/ontario-sanctuary-province-election_a_23434205/

 

 

So....let me re-post my reaction to that!

 

A "sanctuary" province?  Is she daft, or what?  No.  She's buying votes.

From where is she going to pull the kind of money she'll need?

 

That's kinda like the open-invitation of Trudeau to every persecuted person of the world.....except this time, Horwath had pushed the envelope that there'll be no need for papers at all!  You won't need any papers! 

Whether you're a terrorist, or a rapist......you're welcome to hide in Ontario!

 

 

Of course, she'll end up like Quebec!  Whining for the federal government to step up and help!  And, of course, Trudeau will step up.   And where do you think that enforced "help" would come from?

 

TAXPAYERS!

 

Just shows you that Horwath isn't listening, nor does she care.  She should've learned from Trudeau's own experience - with his silly open invitation.   But oh no - this silly girl wants to repeat that silly mistake (that's still costing us at the borders as we speak!)  That's a good indicator that - she's deaf as a door-nail, and blind as a bat!  And, she wants to play "leader."

 

 

She shares the same arrogance and stubborness as any full-blooded Liberal - except that hers comes with her cutesy smile.

She's kinda smiling at you......... as she pushes the knife deeper into your ribs.

Edited May 22, 2018 by betsy

[eyeball]

Maybe Horwath should be nailed to a cross. Whaddya think Betsy?

[betsy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe Horwath should be nailed to a cross. Whaddya think Betsy?

What's nailing to the cross got to do with this?

 You're turning everything about Christianity now?  I hope you're not turning kinda like that former poster who turns every discussion of every topic into 9/11 hoax!  And, evil America.

Edited May 22, 2018 by betsy

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

What's nailing to the cross got to do with this?

Well, Jesus was fond of taking care of the poor and oppressed and attacked the banksters and capitalists of his age and look what happened to him.

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You're turning everything about Christianity now?  I hope you're not turning kinda like that former poster who turns every discussion of every topic into 9/11 hoax!  And, evil America.

No, I'm still up to my old ways, asking simple to the point questions that test the principles guiding people's thinking. That guy you're talking about was about as principled as your typical, around here any way, Xtian.

Edited May 22, 2018 by eyeball

[WIP]

On 5/21/2018 at 3:55 PM, betsy said:

Never mind about Mulroney and the GST.  

Ontario is in the red - with this huge deficit we've got, thanks to Wynne.  If Horwath wins, she' ll be adding another huge one on top of that!

And of course, if Wynne hadn't scared off businesses - Horwath, being a socialist,  will terrify the daylights out of them!  We'd really be doomed. 

 

You may have your own way at saving cost - unfortunately, so many Ontarians don't have that option.  So many are living from paycheck to paycheck as it is!  That's why majority of Canadians from all parties, prefer spending cuts to start reducing our deficit.

Liberals are busy squandering money elsewhere - like that stupid open invitation Trudeau had issued to the world -  - instead of doing something to prepare for the changing climate!  If they are squandering money - they can't be serious about climate change.   Talk is cheap.  They're simply parroting what will get them votes!

 

If they aren't so serious about what they say is a crucial climate change period - then why should we believe them?  Do they act like they're even worried about it?  Nah.

Remember back when Harris was Premier, and came up with that great idea of privatizing Ontario Hydro? That was supposed to fix all of power generation debt issues, instead the companies buying in have collected the profits and left the Province holding the bag on legacy debts. And, going a little further back, it was two successive previous...much more moderate Conservative governments which decided to borrow billions to build nuclear power stations in Ontario, rather than follow Quebec's example of investing in available hydro power from the rivers on our side of James Bay!  And we've been paying for it ever since! 

I'm not a Wynne fan...I really don't have strong opinions one way or the other, but the legacy of provincial debt in Ontario was mostly piled up by over 40 years of successive PC rule, followed by Liberal, NDP and Conservative governments, and if Dougie wins I expect any budget balancing will be on backs of Ontario voters......and the good news today is that Andrea Horvath is closing in on 'Ford Nation!' There's a lot of Ontario voters who will go with either Liberal, NDP or Green Party as long as it keeps the Cons from applying their US-style rightwing government on us! 

Edited May 22, 2018 by WIP

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe Horwath should be nailed to a cross. Whaddya think Betsy?

If anyone will end up nailed to a cross,it will be the taxpayers of Ontario who are already taxed too much! Corporations have a choice...they can relocate and it's likely that many will under a a Horwath run Ontario.Most of the Liberals major policies have been failures,the NDP will continue many of these policies and move Ontario even further to the Left.More wind turbines and solar panels,shutting down nuclear plants,deficits for the foreseeable future and a colossal debt will await us if the NDP win.How about an ever increasing number of able bodied people contributing nothing to our economy? Could the Leap Manifesto be Horwath's template?

Scary!

brianlilley.com/meet-andrea-horwaths-crazy-ndp-candidates/

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, ironstone said:

More wind turbines and solar panels,shutting down nuclear plants,deficits for the foreseeable future and a colossal debt will await us if the NDP win.

Well, the vast VAST majority of experts tell us that without the wind turbines and solar panels we'll likely end up with fewer productive ecosystems, rising seas, less fresh water, oppressive killing heat waves, vast ice storms and a colossal natural capital deficit.

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How about an ever increasing number of able bodied people contributing nothing to our economy?

 

Yes, whatever will we do about the moral imperative to produce in the face of automation and the slippery slope to the end of virtually all labour as we know it?

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Could the Leap Manifesto be Horwath's template?

Scary!

Better than I, Robot, that said if the corporations you mention have their way the future will probably be more like a mix of the Borg ultimatum and the Matrix.

 

[turningrite]

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 11:29 AM, Argus said:

Andrea Horvath demonstrates the usual lefty fondness for non-Canadians. She not only wants to declare Ontario a 'sanctuary province' for illegal immigrants, but wants to give them the vote. Not only would illegal immigrants be eligible for all government services, including public housing, welfare and health care, without paying any taxes, they'd also be able to vote in municipal elections!  And people wonder why I consider Socialists pie-in-the-sky loons without a drop of common sense!

Still, I'm sure all those Nigerians coming in across the US border will be reassured that even if Trudeau's sappy, naive refugee panels don't allow them to stay, they can stay anyway, in Horvath's Ontario.

A sanctuary province? Hasn't the whole country essentially been transformed into a sanctuary state of sorts? What more could Horwath offer? This issue alongside the pipeline fiasco out west could easily sink Trudeau's government in 2019. Would Horwath, who is unlikely to do better than be able to form a minority government, really want to take on this kind of political baggage? As some have pointed out, in addition to Canada's relatively weak and inefficient refugee determination system many of these migrants are also attracted by all the free stuff on offer in Canada, particularly in comparison with the relatively less sympathetic and more parsimonious treatment they receive south of the border. Reportedly, some aren't even stopping to take in the sights in America and are making a beeline for the Canadian border after landing at U.S. airports, thus mocking our generosity and our system. One wonders why actual potential immigrants who qualify under the regular rules even bother waiting in line.  

[betsy]

10 hours ago, WIP said:

Remember back when Harris was Premier, and came up with that great idea of privatizing Ontario Hydro? That was supposed to fix all of power generation debt issues, instead the companies buying in have collected the profits and left the Province holding the bag on legacy debts. And, going a little further back, it was two successive previous...much more moderate Conservative governments which decided to borrow billions to build nuclear power stations in Ontario, rather than follow Quebec's example of investing in available hydro power from the rivers on our side of James Bay!  And we've been paying for it ever since! 

I'm not a Wynne fan...I really don't have strong opinions one way or the other, but the legacy of provincial debt in Ontario was mostly piled up by over 40 years of successive PC rule, followed by Liberal, NDP and Conservative governments, and if Dougie wins I expect any budget balancing will be on backs of Ontario voters......and the good news today is that Andrea Horvath is closing in on 'Ford Nation!' There's a lot of Ontario voters who will go with either Liberal, NDP or Green Party as long as it keeps the Cons from applying their US-style rightwing government on us! 

I don't care about those past premiers.  No use crying over spilt milk and pointing fingers.  I care about now!

 

Yeah.....I saw the latest polls.  Painting Ford to be Trump, is a very good tactic that got the lemmings all panicking.   Horwath and Wynne's campaign know us too well.  Boy, when we hate someone - do we ever hate!  Canadians are good at hating.   They don't even see how USA's economy is now booming. 

Well.....I suppose we deserve what we get.

 

I'm ready to tighten up my belt even more.  I can do with far less.  And, good thing I don't have any kids to worry about.

Who cares about them anyway, right?

 

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

9 hours ago, ironstone said:

If anyone will end up nailed to a cross, it will be the taxpayers of Ontario who are already taxed too much!

Bang-on!

 

 

Edited May 23, 2018 by betsy

[taxme]

On 5/22/2018 at 3:48 AM, betsy said:

Thanks to Argus' latest status update about  Horwath's plan to make Ontario a sanctuary province.  That should go very well to Ontarians - especially in the GTA.  Now, I'm back to being depressed......and I'm livid!

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/syed-hussan/ontario-sanctuary-province-election_a_23434205/

 

 

So....let me re-post my reaction to that!

 

A "sanctuary" province?  Is she daft, or what?  No.  She's buying votes.

From where is she going to pull the kind of money she'll need?

 

That's kinda like the open-invitation of Trudeau to every persecuted person of the world.....except this time, Horwath had pushed the envelope that there'll be no need for papers at all!  You won't need any papers! 

Whether you're a terrorist, or a rapist......you're welcome to hide in Ontario!

 

 

Of course, she'll end up like Quebec!  Whining for the federal government to step up and help!  And, of course, Trudeau will step up.   And where do you think that enforced "help" would come from?

 

TAXPAYERS!

 

Just shows you that Horwath isn't listening, nor does she care.  She should've learned from Trudeau's own experience - with his silly open invitation.   But oh no - this silly girl wants to repeat that silly mistake (that's still costing us at the borders as we speak!)  That's a good indicator that - she's deaf as a door-nail, and blind as a bat!  And, she wants to play "leader."

 

 

She shares the same arrogance and stubborness as any full-blooded Liberal - except that hers comes with her cutesy smile.

She's kinda smiling at you......... as she pushes the knife deeper into your ribs.

Never mind Ontario being declared a sanctuary city the whole bloody country has become a sanctuary city. That Horvath is just another one of your typical politically correct dummies who could careless about this country. If the dummies can't figure out that Horvath is a total idiot for wanting to make Ontario a sanctuary province then the people of Ontario well deserve the royal screwing that they will get.

This is where Ford should say something on this. Ford should explain that this will become a taxpayer's night mare if they vote for that communist and her sanctuary stupid idea of open the borders policy. 

Liberals never learn from anything. They are too stunned to ever get the picture. They just want to make all things done in the past even worse today and add to the mess that they have created for Canada. Canadians have a great moment and opportunity at hand to make Canada great again by putting conservatives back in power. Put Ford in Ontario and Scheer in Ottawa. And then let's hope that they will think about Canada and Canadians first and not the rest of the world. One can only hope. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by taxme

[taxme]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

Well, Jesus was fond of taking care of the poor and oppressed and attacked the banksters and capitalists of his age and look what happened to him.

No, I'm still up to my old ways, asking simple to the point questions that test the principles guiding people's thinking. That guy you're talking about was about as principled as your typical, around here any way, Xtian.

Not only what happened to Jesus but what has happened to hundreds if not thousands of true patriots who have taken on the international banksters and end up paying a heavy price for it. Not one politician in Canada backed up the people behind The Comer Report(Committee for Monetary and Economic Reform of Canada's Banking System)which would have taken the power of issuing money to all levels of governments from the banksters without interest and given the Bank of Canada back to we the people. We the people of Canada are oppressed and sucked dry of out tax dollars every day by these international banksters. 

What about you asking that question about who gets to create our money?  A topic really worth discussing. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by taxme

[OftenWrong]

22 hours ago, WIP said:

much more moderate Conservative governments which decided to borrow billions to build nuclear power stations in Ontario, rather than follow Quebec's example of investing in available hydro power from the rivers on our side of James Bay!  And we've been paying for it ever since!

Do you realize how much land had to be submerged under water for that Quebec project? So much for environmentally friendly. Nuclear on the other hand has practically no environmental impact in comparison.

22 hours ago, WIP said:

......and the good news today is that Andrea Horvath is closing in on 'Ford Nation!' There's a lot of Ontario voters who will go with either Liberal, NDP or Green Party as long as it keeps the Cons from applying their US-style rightwing government on us! 

Winning ridings matters more than winning in the polls. Considering the demographic and the number of seats in each riding, it looks very likely that the PC party is going to win a majority.

Sorry but the polls today show PC up by 0.1 %, NDP down by 0.4%. Expect these numbers to bounce around a lot. What shall we do, oh my!

- This is not about electing a US-style government, but even if it was, so what. They seem to be doing alright, jack!

Edited May 23, 2018 by OftenWrong

[ironstone]

Andrea Horwath is just as competent and intelligent as Kathleen Wynne which isn't saying much. She'll as bad as Wynne or worse.More idiotic nonsense from the Left.

As for green energy and the environmental concerns, I suggest you guys check out John Robson's documentary on youtube "The Environment,A True Story"

[August1991]

Haven't read this thread but saw this poll:

Among male voters, the NDP has narrowed the Conservatives’ advantage from 20 points to 7: male voters now break 41 per cent PC, 34 per cent NDP and 18 per cent Liberal. Among women, the NDP has gone from a tie to an 11-point advantage, 43 per cent NDP, 32 per cent PC, 19 per cent Liberal.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-macleans-pollara-ontario-poll-only-the-ndp-is-gaining-support/

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In Ontario, like most of Canada, about 35% of voters pay no income taxes at all. They have no skin in the game.

In a democracy, is it any wonder that politicians promise to spend - rather than explain how to pay.

Greg: Please fix this Software. I can't <post>My Opinion</post>

 

Edited May 24, 2018 by August1991

[WIP]

7 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Do you realize how much land had to be submerged under water for that Quebec project? So much for environmentally friendly. Nuclear on the other hand has practically no environmental impact in comparison.

I know! Even Hydro Quebec's James Bay Project couldn't pass an environmental assessment today. When they floated the idea of a 2nd James Bay plant 10 years after, it was soon realized to be impossible to clear regulatory hurdles....then again, how do pipeline builders do it?

And there's also the land claims of Cree nations that were trampled over. But James Bay was built in a different time. My point was that at the time it was the smart thing to do both cost-wise and environmentally, since once it's built, it lasts virtually forever and requires no fuel....and then there's nuclear! Cost overruns, the ever-present threat of meltdown, the limited lifespan, the shortage of the right isotopes for fuel, what to do with nuclear wastes...even if you work at a nuclear plant, don't try to bullshit me about how wonderful it is!  There are reasons why insurance companies won't touch nuclear, and the government has to assume the risk!

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Winning ridings matters more than winning in the polls. Considering the demographic and the number of seats in each riding, it looks very likely that the PC party is going to win a majority.

Sorry but the polls today show PC up by 0.1 %, NDP down by 0.4%. Expect these numbers to bounce around a lot. What shall we do, oh my!

- This is not about electing a US-style government, but even if it was, so what. They seem to be doing alright, jack!

 

While the trend on the latest Ipsos poll on Monday showed the NDP pulling ahead of the Conservatives, and today's rightwing conservatives...especially lightning rods like Ford face a riding by riding challenge every election because they are so distrusted their negatives are higher than the other parties. What this means in the real world is that many voters are anyone-but-conservative voters, and check their local riding polls before the election before deciding whether to throw down for the Libs or the NDP. And if they are in a safe NDP riding like I am, some of us are inclined to send a few votes to the Green Party, rather than pad the NDP's waistline.  NDP tied with PCs as Ford’s Tories tumble in Ontario election: Ipsos poll

[WIP]

20 hours ago, betsy said:

I don't care about those past premiers.  No use crying over spilt milk and pointing fingers.  I care about now!

 

I'll bet you would care if it was a Liberal government that set up our money-losing privatization scheme!  I care about history!  So, even though I never feel a strong pull to vote Liberal, I'm sick of the Wynn Government getting blamed for decisions made by previous governments, and my impression was they were doing the best they could to manage a dysfunctional system that was already billions of dollars in debt.

[WIP]

12 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Haven't read this thread but saw this poll:

Among male voters, the NDP has narrowed the Conservatives’ advantage from 20 points to 7: male voters now break 41 per cent PC, 34 per cent NDP and 18 per cent Liberal. Among women, the NDP has gone from a tie to an 11-point advantage, 43 per cent NDP, 32 per cent PC, 19 per cent Liberal.

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/the-macleans-pollara-ontario-poll-only-the-ndp-is-gaining-support/

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In Ontario, like most of Canada, about 35% of voters pay no income taxes at all. They have no skin in the game.

In a democracy, is it any wonder that politicians promise to spend - rather than explain how to pay.

Greg: Please fix this Software. I can't <post>My Opinion</post>

 

If they pay sales taxes they have skin in the game especially if they're below the poverty line. The least amount of skin in the game are the fatcats who pay little or nothing in corporate and capital gains taxes because they're accountants find deductions us wage earners aren't entitled to! 

My gross income before taxes was over $85,000 last year...so I paid a lot in taxes, especially when everything else is added in. Nevertheless, I punch up/not down!