Canada's Refugee System in Chaos

[Argus]

It'd be nice if we actually kept track of the costs of things like this, but of course, we're too 'nice' to do so, we really have no idea what crime by spurious refugees costs, nor their health care nor welfare. Did you know they were allowed to claim and get paid disability for injuries suffered not in Canada, but in their homeland? Apparently they are.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/mandel-the-taxpayer-bill-keeps-rising-for-bogus-refugee-rapist-and-killer

[jacee]

On 7/1/2018 at 5:02 PM, capricorn said:

Are you kidding? It's been hammered into me so violently, it has taken over at least one of my brain cells. It's your fault, it's your fault, it's your fault....pay for it, pay for it, pay for it....killer,...killer...

That seems an odd reaction.

People react with sadness to the death of a child, perhaps outrage at the circumstances that caused his death, perhaps motivating them to reach out to churches, governments, etc to see what can be done about the situation.

But I don't think most people would personalize or internalize guilt for his death to that extent, nor is that helpful:  That kind of personal internalization of guilt for matters out of their control just immobilizes people, renders them totally useless for any constructive purposes.

I believe you're being facetious, but I just thought I'd take the opportunity to point out that that is not the common reaction, nor is it desirable or useful. 

Edited July 6, 2018 by jacee

[Goddess]

37 minutes ago, jacee said:

That seems an odd reaction.

People react with sadness to the death of a child, perhaps outrage at the circumstances that caused his death, perhaps motivating them to reach out to churches, governments, etc to see what can be done about the situation.

But I don't think most people would personalize or internalize guilt for his death to that extent, nor is that helpful:  That kind of personal internalization of guilt for matters out of their control just immobilizes people, renders them totally useless for any constructive purposes.

I believe you're being facetious, but I just thought I'd take the opportunity to point out that that is not the common reaction, nor is it desirable or useful. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/father-of-drowned-syrian-boy-alan-kurdi-blames-canada-for-death-of-wife-and-son-1.3223846

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-of-aylan-kurdi-blames-canada-for-losing-family-at-sea-bg6wwdh7trs

We were told repeatedly that we were responsible for his death.

 

[objectivist]

I think we have to stop referring to them as "refugees" or "asylum-seekers". They have already received asylum in a safe third country, which is the United States. Therefore none of them have any right to be in Canada. Coming over the border illegally makes them all criminals. They are "illegal immigrants" or "illegal aliens" or just "illegals". They should all be rounded up and deported.

[capricorn]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

I believe you're being facetious, but I just thought I'd take the opportunity to point out that that is not the common reaction, nor is it desirable or useful. 

How would you know that is not the common reaction. Do you have a poll you can link to?

[jacee]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/father-of-drowned-syrian-boy-alan-kurdi-blames-canada-for-death-of-wife-and-son-1.3223846

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/father-of-aylan-kurdi-blames-canada-for-losing-family-at-sea-bg6wwdh7trs

We were told repeatedly that we were responsible for his death.

 

People say a lot of angry things when they're grieving. 

But facts are facts and there was no application for entry to Canada for him and his family, just for his brother and it was rejected as incomplete. 

It's capricorn's insincerity I'm taking issue with. 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Rule of thumb: play the ball, not the person (i.e. Tackle the argument, not the person making it).  

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

So it looks like Ford is going to use Trudeau as a handy punching bag in blaming the rush of migrants on him (deservedly so).

Meaning political discourse in Canada will come even closer to resembling an internet forum.  That's good, people need to be more honest about how they feel.

What we really need though is something that puts a chill on a bureaucrats willingness to jump up and down on people's backs, something that makes governance risky.

[capricorn]

It's a great time to be a hotel owner, especially in Ontario and Québec.

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The 800 asylum seekers currently being housed in Toronto’s university dormitories, for example, will soon be moved to hotels as the schools get set to welcome students back in the fall. It remains unclear how many hotel rooms will be necessary, however, or for how long.

It's astonishing. The government has no plan and does not appear to know what it's doing.

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Blair also admitted on Tuesday that he has not even received his mandate letter from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

“Will minister Goodale be reporting to you?” Rempel asked Blair early in the day.

“No,” he answered.

“Will the (Canada Border Services Agency) be reporting to you?” Rempel asked.

“No. I have not received my mandate letters from the prime minister just yet so I cannot speculate on what my role will be,” Blair replied.

Rempel voiced skepticism about Blair’s cabinet appointment, questioning whether it was simply a public relations exercise that would create more bureaucracy.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4350166/asylum-border-crossers-immigration-meeting-tempers-hotels/

Trudeau has been vacationing in BC and can't be bothered. The PM is abdicating his responsibilities. It was bad before but now the situation is unraveling more rapidly.

[turningrite]

2 hours ago, capricorn said:

It's a great time to be a hotel owner, especially in Ontario and Québec.

It's astonishing. The government has no plan and does not appear to know what it's doing.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4350166/asylum-border-crossers-immigration-meeting-tempers-hotels/

Trudeau has been vacationing in BC and can't be bothered. The PM is abdicating his responsibilities. It was bad before but now the situation is unraveling more rapidly.

I'm wondering if their new digs will included government-funded room service? Maybe when he returns to these parts Trudeau can pull a waiter's uniform out of his tickle trunk and carry a silver-plated tray with bonbons from room to room. Nothing but the best...

[Argus]

So they held a hearing of the new immigration committee on parliament hill the other day. Nothing of substance, of course. The Liberals continued their approach that the only actual problem is that the Conservatvies aren't using the right sorts of words to describe the border crossers, while the NDP thought everything would be fine if we just removed the safe-third-country rule which is now applied only to actual border crossings entirely.

Meanwhile Bill Blair, the new minister supposedly in charge has no idea what his mandate or duties are. 

The two sides insulted each other most of the time. Conservatives jeered at Liberal ministers testifying while Liberals jeered at the Ontario minister testifying about the huge costs. Because she's using words they don't like.

Then the Liberals brought in that Ghanian guy who lost his fingers to frostbite last year crossing the border to tell his sad tale of woe and let them all puff out their chests proudly about how great they are to give him sanctuary. Of course, nobody dared ask any hard questions about him. So' I will ask them here.

Why did you leave Brazil? You went to Brazil from Ghana because you say that as a bisexual man (no evidence needed) your life was in danger. You say you left Brazil after several years because you were 'outed' as a bisexual man, yet Brazil is very open to homosexuality, has the world's largest gay pride parade, and legalized gay marriage some time ago. 

You went to the US and were refused asylum, presumably after considerable time there. You never learned to wear mittens when going out in the winter?

Why did you leave Brazil, bypass several nearby safe countries, including Costa Rica, to go to the US in the first place?

Do you have any idea how much money Canada has spent on you so far? What sort of job do you expect to get with no fingers?  Are you currently getting social assistance? Are you in public housing? 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/immigration-committee-asylum-seekers-border-1.4757762

Edited July 25, 2018 by Argus

[taxme]

On 7/25/2018 at 10:30 AM, Argus said:

So they held a hearing of the new immigration committee on parliament hill the other day. Nothing of substance, of course. The Liberals continued their approach that the only actual problem is that the Conservatvies aren't using the right sorts of words to describe the border crossers, while the NDP thought everything would be fine if we just removed the safe-third-country rule which is now applied only to actual border crossings entirely.

Meanwhile Bill Blair, the new minister supposedly in charge has no idea what his mandate or duties are. 

The two sides insulted each other most of the time. Conservatives jeered at Liberal ministers testifying while Liberals jeered at the Ontario minister testifying about the huge costs. Because she's using words they don't like.

Then the Liberals brought in that Ghanian guy who lost his fingers to frostbite last year crossing the border to tell his sad tale of woe and let them all puff out their chests proudly about how great they are to give him sanctuary. Of course, nobody dared ask any hard questions about him. So' I will ask them here.

Why did you leave Brazil? You went to Brazil from Ghana because you say that as a bisexual man (no evidence needed) your life was in danger. You say you left Brazil after several years because you were 'outed' as a bisexual man, yet Brazil is very open to homosexuality, has the world's largest gay pride parade, and legalized gay marriage some time ago. 

You went to the US and were refused asylum, presumably after considerable time there. You never learned to wear mittens when going out in the winter?

Why did you leave Brazil, bypass several nearby safe countries, including Costa Rica, to go to the US in the first place?

Do you have any idea how much money Canada has spent on you so far? What sort of job do you expect to get with no fingers?  Are you currently getting social assistance? Are you in public housing? 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/immigration-committee-asylum-seekers-border-1.4757762

Ask Goodale or Trudeau if they really give a shit. It would appear as though they want more illegal criminals to come to Canada. It will never end with these pro illegal refugee politicians of ours. They seem to have no problem with blowing our tax dollars at all. It's all about just finding more ways to just spend and spend and spend more of our tax dollars. It's time to start arresting and charging some of these politicians who continue to waste taxpayer's tax dollars on their pet peeve programs and agendas that are of no benefit to Canada or Canadians. 

[taxme]

On 7/25/2018 at 7:29 AM, capricorn said:

It's a great time to be a hotel owner, especially in Ontario and Québec.

It's astonishing. The government has no plan and does not appear to know what it's doing.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4350166/asylum-border-crossers-immigration-meeting-tempers-hotels/

Trudeau has been vacationing in BC and can't be bothered. The PM is abdicating his responsibilities. It was bad before but now the situation is unraveling more rapidly.

Indeed there will be plenty of money to be made from all this illegal criminality being allowed to continue on here in sucker Knuckistan. 

Did you know that there have been hundreds of white South Africans farmers that are having their land stolen from them and are being murdered by the blacks of South Africa who have said that they want to kill all white farmers? Probably not.

Did you know that they have asked for asylum in Canada because of all the killings going on against them in South Africa that our liberal lame duck media refuse to report on? Probably not.

And did you know as to what the answer was from Trudeau. Probably not. Well his answer was NO friggin' way. I don't want all you white South Africans to immigrate to Canada. There is no room for you victims of murder in Canada for you. We are only allowing more non-whites into the country Canada. Just keep getting killed and be gone with you. Personally, the only reason why I see this happening is because they are white and Christian people. Personally, I believe that Canada is fast becoming an anti white nation with no end in sight. 

But thanks to Putin, the guy everybody hates so much is going to allow up to 15,000 of them to go live in Russia and is going to give them free farm land to help them get started in Russia. Even America would not take any. What the hell is going on in these two countries when they won't even accept the children from and of their own common mother? Deplorable. 

Have any comment to say on this? Just curious. 

[taxme]

On 7/6/2018 at 6:14 PM, jacee said:

People say a lot of angry things when they're grieving. 

But facts are facts and there was no application for entry to Canada for him and his family, just for his brother and it was rejected as incomplete. 

It's capricorn's insincerity I'm taking issue with. 

There are plenty of other Arab countries with compatible cultures that he and his family could have gone too,. So why Canada thousands of miles away? It is not my fault that he lost his family. It is his own fault and no one else. Blaming Canada is bloody ridiculous indeed. But we all should know by now that the CBC would be the one who had to try and make a sob story out of this to try and get to our Canadian soft hearts. The days of sob story's are over for me. For me reality has now kicked in and enough already. There are suppose to be millions and millions of refugees out there. I am sure that they all have sob stories to tell us all. What? Are we expected to take them all in just because they have a sad story to tell us? Life is tough for everyone. Canada cannot be considered to be the world's big brother and world's keeper anymore. For one good reason is that there is no more money to spend on any more of these sad story people. Let all their Arab neighbors help and take them in and pay for their well being. I have had enough of it. 

[-TSS-]

There was a good clip on Lauren Southern's visit to Australia. On it some Australian minister was going on about the usual multicultural cliches about how all Australians except the aboriginals are from somewhere else.

Thankfully, a white male, even a journalist, interrupted her by saying that he was born and grew up in Australia and he is certainly not from somewhere else.

However, you can easily understand that foreigners may think that Australians, as well as you Canadians, are all immigrants anyway but Australians, nor you Canadians, should never develop such a mind-set and think that way.

When even a minister in Australia thinks that they are all from somewhere else it is really worrying.

 

Edited July 30, 2018 by -TSS-

[turningrite]

10 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

There was a good clip on Lauren Southern's visit to Australia. On it some Australian minister was going on about the usual multicultural cliches about how all Australians except the aboriginals are from somewhere else.

Thankfully, a white male, even a journalist, interrupted her by saying that he was born and grew up in Australia and he is certainly not from somewhere else.

However, you can easily understand that foreigners may think that Australians, as well as you Canadians, are all immigrants anyway but Australians, nor you Canadians, should never develop such a mind-set and think that way.

When even a minister in Australia thinks that they are all from somewhere else it is really worrying.

 

I think it's called blind pandering to politically correct ideology. But more are questioning it all the time. Most voters in Canada, I suspect, are quite willing to address aboriginal/indigenous problems and claims but it seems many on the left, particularly academics and politicians, have preemptively capitulated.

[-TSS-]

3 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I think it's called blind pandering to politically correct ideology. But more are questioning it all the time. Most voters in Canada, I suspect, are quite willing to address aboriginal/indigenous problems and claims but it seems many on the left, particularly academics and politicians, have preemptively capitulated.

It is somewhat contradictory also that many people in Canada and Australia who advocate the rights of the first nations or aboriginals, the same people are at the same time very vocal supporters of mass-immigration.

In the view of common sense that just doesn't make any sense. How does promoting for immigration make the issue of the first nations better?

However, it is all about virtue-signalling. You get being considered a good person by your liberal-friends when you both advocate for the first nations and for more immigration without realising that they are contradictory things.

[turningrite]

22 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

It is somewhat contradictory also that many people in Canada and Australia who advocate the rights of the first nations or aboriginals, the same people are at the same time very vocal supporters of mass-immigration.

In the view of common sense that just doesn't make any sense. How does promoting for immigration make the issue of the first nations better?

However, it is all about virtue-signalling. You get being considered a good person by your liberal-friends when you both advocate for the first nations and for more immigration without realising that they are contradictory things.

I think left wing/progressive politicians simply and uncritically ignore any connection between large-scale immigration and their oft-stated concerns about the alienation of indigenous communities. The whole thing becomes somewhat comical when one considers that some self-styled proigressive non-white immigrants are now distancing themselves from the assumed past abuse of indigenous peoples by the "settler" population by declaring themselves definitionally excluded by virtue of their non-European ancestry. But as I've asked in a forum topic I started on this site, who and what is a "settler"? Most Canadians who have ancestry extending back for more than a couple generations are of mixed ethnic descent. My father's ancestry, while mixed in its own right, might warrant the "settler" designation as his father's French ancestors arrived in Canada in the 17th century. But his Portuguese and Irish ancestors' failings in reference to indigenous abuse are somewhat more difficult to sustain. And what about my mother, who immigrated to Canada following WWII? Can her role as an assumed abuser be established solely on race? And me? As a person of clearly mixed although Caucasian ancestry, including having an immigrant mother, am I guilty solely as a result of race? This appears to be what the "settler" mentality crowd would appear to believe to be the case (i.e. If you're white, you're guilty!), in which case the whole thing becomes a morass of repugnant racialist ideology. We need to move past this nonsense - if only progressives would permit rational discussion and debate on the topic.

Edited July 30, 2018 by turningrite

[bush_cheney2004]

Trudeau is just trying to "appeal to his political base".   Now where have I heard that before ?

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, -TSS- said:

How does promoting for immigration make the issue of the first nations better?

Who says it makes the issue worse?  The First Nations village a km down the road from where I live recently adopted a bunch of Fijian TFW's into their village.  New roots are going down as we speak.

[taxme]

On 7/30/2018 at 11:36 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trudeau is just trying to "appeal to his political base".   Now where have I heard that before ?

There is a big problem in South Africa today where many thousands of SA white farmers who have  been murdered and are still being murdered by the communist murderous black regime who is trying too and is pretty much succeeding in taking or stealing  to their farms away from them and hand them over to black SA people. But does the left wing liberal media say anything about this crime against humanity? No bloody way. It's all kept hush-hush. 

Recently Putin of Russia has allowed 15,000 of those white farmers to immigrate to Russia and is going to give them free land to get them started and no doubt they will do okay. And what did America or Canada do to try and help these now refugees trying to escape with their lives from real persecution? Nix. Non. Nada. No. Nothing. The American and Canadian governments have refused to allow them to immigrate to both our countries. If one is non-white they get to try to ask for asylum and are accepted and brought in or they sneak in but yet these white farmers who's lives are in real danger are pretty told that they need not apply for asylum. Indeed their is racism going on in America and in Canada and it would appear as though this racism is being applied only against white people. Deplorable indeed. It is the South African government who has now setup themselves up for less exporting and more importing just like what happened to Rhodesia decades ago.  Zimbabwe has pretty much become a typical third world shit hole. Now where did you not hear about this before , eh?  Any comment? 

Edited August 5, 2018 by taxme

[capricorn]

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They say tweets by the prime minister in 2017 give them hope for resettlement

Asylum seekers sent to Nauru by the Australian government are pleading with Canada and other countries to take them in. Many have been there since 2013. (Supplied by Mehdi Nasiri)

Asylum seekers detained on a tiny island nation in Micronesia are pleading with the Trudeau government to resettle them in Canada.

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Some of the asylum seekers have been able to go to the United States, which has agreed to resettle up to 1,250 people from Nauru and Manus islands.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/micronesia-asylum-seekers-trudeau-tweets-1.4773362

How soon before those 1,250 make their way to our "irregular/illegal" border?

Attention employment opportunity: bellhops needed at Lacolle PQ to carry luggage. Good pay and benefits. Apply on site.

[-TSS-]

Here in Finland, if Russians conquered a square inch of forest somewhere in the middle of nowhere hundreds of thousands of Finnish men would be sent to die in a pointless war but at the same time the western border is wide open and hundreds of thousands of Africans can walk in at will.

By the way three years ago over 30000 asylum seekers enterd Finland from the western border. Yes, they came from Sweden, a terribly dangerous country that must be. What followed was, and I'm not joking here, Finnish soldiers were ordered to carry the bags and suitcases of the arriving asylum-seekers instead of turning them away back to the perfectly safe country they arrived from.

So much for the winter-war and all that stuff about Finnish soldiers. Now they were reduced to something like hotel-piccolos.

Edited August 11, 2018 by -TSS-

[eyeball]

On 8/5/2018 at 1:50 PM, taxme said:

And what did America or Canada do to try and help these now refugees trying to escape with their lives from real persecution? Nix. Non. Nada. No. Nothing.

That's just not true, one of my co-workers is from South Africa.  Good guy, hard worker, tells me he's really glad to be here - his kids are always all over him. Big happy family.  I also took a family out just last week who recently moved from Cape Town, they live in Toronto, he's a GP, she's a nurse and the kids are in junior high.

Really nice people.  We need more nice people, I don't care where they come from.

[taxme]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's just not true, one of my co-workers is from South Africa.  Good guy, hard worker, tells me he's really glad to be here - his kids are always all over him. Big happy family.  I also took a family out just last week who recently moved from Cape Town, they live in Toronto, he's a GP, she's a nurse and the kids are in junior high.

Really nice people.  We need more nice people, I don't care where they come from.

Great to hear but Canada should be bringing in more. Putin is taking in 15,000 South African farmers in one shot. There are plenty more white people by the thousands that are wanting to leave South Africa. Canada should have a refugee plan for them also seeing that Canada does not have a problem with bringing in tens of thousands of refugees from many third world countries. At least we know that the SA farmers will come to Canada and contribute a lot to this country. 

We do need nice people but what Canada does not need is more people of a certain religion that seems to feel that they do not need to assimilate into Canadian culture but is trying to get Canadians to assimilate into their culture. I do care as to where our new immigrants are coming from. The demographics of Canada are changing rapidly today from what it once looked like in Canada several decades ago and that concerns me big time.