terrorist hits Manhattan

[cannuck]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

and the left-leaning media criticize Trump for identifying the problem as a Muslim problem.

[Altai]

This topic title is not informative enough. It should be "Terrorists created and funded by US hits Manathan" 

[taxme]

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

and the left-leaning media criticize Trump for identifying the problem as a Muslim problem.

The left wing liberals are responsible for this incident, not the conservatives or Trump. Trump was trying to do something about stopping all new immigrants coming from some of those terrorist Muslim countries but lost, thanks to the liberal/dumbocrat/RINO's. There will be more incidents like this happening time and time again until someone can put some common sense and logic into those dumb liberal dumbocrats and RINo's foolish heads of theirs. It's almost as though they want this carnage to continue.  

[Michael Hardner]

The tally for October is old white guys 59, NY muslims 8.  Still seems like a landslide for the home team.  When the number of murders by immigrants starts to approach those of natural-borns then you might admit a problem there.

[cannuck]

Michael, I hoped you would know better.

It is not the Antioch Baptist Church that is radicalizing NA borne Muslims.  That is a 100% imported problem.  By saying that by being borne here (such as Khadr) that makes them "Canadians" and "Home Grown" is nonsense.   Their families and the commun ity imported from outside has not assimilated, in fact done exactly the opposite.

Have ALL Muslim immigrtants become radicals?   Of course not.   BUT: were those who did influenced by assimilating long established Canadian (or American) values?  Of course not.  Most of all, the community that SEEMS to be "moderate" is in most cases abundantly aware of the radicals within, and does nothing to expose them.

Nor is it a competitiion between WASP terrorists and those from Islam.  It is a problem that can easily be dealt with by terminating immigration and expelling all who have associated with radical elements or aided, assisted or covered up for them in any way.

Edited November 1, 2017 by cannuck

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The tally for October is old white guys 59, NY muslims 8.  Still seems like a landslide for the home team.  When the number of murders by immigrants starts to approach those of natural-borns then you might admit a problem there.

Did your 59 old white guys kill for a common cause, to send a message to the public at large? No of course not. You are likely referring to random killings that already exist. "Its ok, because we kill so many other people every month." That's just nonsense.

[cannuck]

5 hours ago, Altai said:

This topic title is not informative enough. It should be "Terrorists created and funded by US hits Manathan" 

You are absolutely correct.   Allowing, even encouraging immigrtation from Islamic states is the cause, and once here, our endless generosity funds them.

[bush_cheney2004]

Send them all to Canada for some Justin Trudeau love.....he wants 450,000 per year.

[Hal 9000]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The tally for October is old white guys 59, NY muslims 8.  Still seems like a landslide for the home team.  When the number of murders by immigrants starts to approach those of natural-borns then you might admit a problem there.

What a great reason to accept radical Islam into our lives!

[Peter F]

53 minutes ago, cannuck said:

Michael, I hoped you would know better.

It is not the Antioch Baptist Church that is radicalizing NA borne Muslims.  That is a 100% imported problem. 

Of course not.  Most of all, the community that SEEMS to be "moderate" is in most cases abundantly aware of the radicals within, and does nothing to expose them.

Nor is it a competitiion between WASP terrorists and those from Islam.  It is a problem that can easily be dealt with by terminating immigration and expelling all who have associated with radical elements or aided, assisted or covered up for them in any way.

What is a 100% imported problem?  Folks opening fire on crowds in Vegas or folks driving vehicles into crowds in New York?

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By saying that by being borne here (such as Khadr) that makes them "Canadians" and "Home Grown" is nonsense.   Their families and the commun ity imported from outside has not assimilated, in fact done exactly the opposite.

But Khadr is Canadian albeit perhaps not home-grown  considering the time he spent here compared to the time he spent away prior to incarceration . But then thats a terrible measuring stick since there are vast numbers of non-homegrown Canadians living quite peaceful and law-abiding lives in this country. 

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Have ALL Muslim immigrtants become radicals?   Of course not.   BUT: were those who did influenced by assimilating long established Canadian (or American) values?  Of course not. 

yet, many extremely violent folks, like the entirely assimilating long established American in Vegas, was a radical. Again, your assimilation solution appears to solve nothing.

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It is a problem that can easily be dealt with by terminating immigration and expelling all who have associated with radical elements or aided, assisted or covered up for them in any way.

Terminating immigrants solves nothing. And why this desire to expel? Are not court-rooms and prisons better?  Besides, many folks associate with radicals without a clue that they are doing so. See all the neighbours and co-workers and family members who say things like 'This is a complete shock' and 'he seemed like a nice quiet guy' etc etc. 

   I think your desire to solve vicious murders by refusing anyone to live here is daft. 

[Hal 9000]

So, if you have a rat in your house the solution isn't to get rid of the rat, it's "oh well, lets get more rats".

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The tally for October is old white guys 59, NY muslims 8.  Still seems like a landslide for the home team.  When the number of murders by immigrants starts to approach those of natural-borns then you might admit a problem there.

But what about the tally for bike paths?

[Peter F]

1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said:

So, if you have a rat in your house the solution isn't to get rid of the rat, it's "oh well, lets get more rats".

Fool. You live in a house full of rats. You have had rats for years. You have lost your mind because now you see a rat that has a white spot on its nose and think if you get rid of that rat then all will be well. 

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, cannuck said:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/us/new-york-shots-fired/index.html

and the left-leaning media criticize Trump for identifying the problem as a Muslim problem.

 

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"This was an act of terror, and a particularly cowardly act of terror," New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said, "aimed at innocent civilians, aimed at people going about their lives who had no idea what was about to hit them."

No idea?  I'm pretty sure New Yorkers have known for some time what they've been in for.

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Blowback is a term originating from within the American Intelligence community, denoting the unintended consequences, unwanted side-effects, or suffered repercussions of a covert operation that fall back on those responsible for the aforementioned operations. To the civilians suffering the blowback of covert operations, the effect typically manifests itself as "random" acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public—in whose name the intelligence agency acted—are unaware of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)

This inability to know what's hitting them and why may have been true back in 2001 but today there's just no excuse for it.  Everyone who identifies this as a Muslim problem needs to be criticized.

[Argus]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

The tally for October is old white guys 59, NY muslims 8.  Still seems like a landslide for the home team.  When the number of murders by immigrants starts to approach those of natural-borns then you might admit a problem there.

Sooo, Islamic terrorism isn't a problem? That seems to be what you're saying. Nothing to see here. Islam is the religion of peace. Look over there, a squirrel! 

[cannuck]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Sooo, Islamic terrorism isn't a problem? That seems to be what you're saying. Nothing to see here. Islam is the religion of peace. Look over there, a squirrel! 

Yes, the difference is that the Vegas terrorist was doing things diametrically opposed to the teachings of the society from which he came.   Islamic terrorists are fullly in compliance with what radical imams preach.   I spend a lot of time in islamic countries, and the version of Islam that I have come to know does NOT support violence and jihads.   The probem here is that those who have come to be community leaders here are either fundamentalist extremists or willing to turn a blind eye to the existance of that faction.

[eyeball]

What about the blind eye you're turning towards the root cause/blowback thingy? 

[cannuck]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What about the blind eye you're turning towards the root cause/blowback thingy? 

that is a red herring.  The only reason it can even be mentioned is due to the idiotic notion that Islamic immigrants will assimilate and just fit right in.  

[Argus]

1 hour ago, cannuck said:

that is a red herring.  The only reason it can even be mentioned is due to the idiotic notion that Islamic immigrants will assimilate and just fit right in.  

No, that's not the notion here. The notion here is that whatever someone brown does had to have been forced by some evil white guy. Whatever third world denizens do to us we deserve and caused. In fact, whatever they do to each other that's also our fault. Third world people, especially if they have brown skin, are like innocent children, only inspired to violence by evil westerners, only desperately defending themselves from western attack in the only way they know how, their societies warped by evil western influence and rapacious western bankers and such.

Bit difficult to stretch that to encompass Uzbekistan, which was a Soviet state and is now a Russian client state but that rarely seems to matter to self-loathing progressives.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

What about the blind eye you're turning towards the root cause/blowback thingy? 

 

You mean the same blind eye turned towards the absence of blowback from First Nations and many other groups ?

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

What a great reason to accept radical Islam into our lives!

I don't agree.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

So, if you have a rat in your house the solution isn't to get rid of the rat, it's "oh well, lets get more rats".

But if your house is an exploding radioactive brothel/vomitorium then the rats aren't the top priority.

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

But what about the tally for bike paths?

That's yet another angle.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You mean the same blind eye turned towards the absence of blowback from First Nations and many other groups ?

Unlike the absolute blowback from arming Al-Queda back in the day. I heard the memorial in NYC is nice.

[GostHacked]

But it's interesting that the term 'terrorism' was not applied to the Las Vegas shooter but instantly applied to someone who has a middle eastern name.