Refugee crisis escalating

[hot enough]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

You hate the freedom we have.    You hate our way of life.  You hate our values. 

The piffle queen hurling her lies. All refugee problems the world over, the US has had a major hand in. 

Why can't the US extend these freedoms, this way of life, these values to the poor countries of the world? That is SUPPOSED to be what and who they are. 

The US doesn't because it seeks their wealth, just like common thugs, Mafia, the most evil and vicious gangsters.

The following is not the exception, it is the rule, it is what the US has done to myriad countries all over the world. It can only happen because the US has the best propaganda system the world has ever known. 

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THE SECRET WARS OF THE CIA:

part II

CIA COVERT OPERATIONS IN CENTRAL AMERICA, CIA MANIPULATION OF THE PRESS, CIA EXPERIMENTATION ON THE U.S. PUBLIC

by John Stockwell

a lecture given in October, 1987

John Stockwell is the highest-ranking CIA official ever to leave the agency and go public. He ran a CIA intelligence-gathering post in Vietnam, was the task-force commander of the CIA's secret war in Angola in 1975 and 1976, and was awarded the Medal of Merit before he resigned. Stockwell's book In Search of Enemies, published by W.W. Norton 1978, is an international best-seller.

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Systematically, the contras have been assassinating religious workers, teachers, health workers, elected officials, government administrators. You remember the assassination manual? that surfaced in 1984. It caused such a stir that President Reagan had to address it himself in the presidential debates with Walter Mondale. They use terror. This is a technique that they're using to traumatize the society so that it can't function.

I don't mean to abuse you with verbal violence, but you have to understand what your government and its agents are doing. They go into villages, they haul out families. With the children forced to watch they castrate the father, they peel the skin off his face, they put a grenade in his mouth and pull the pin. With the children forced to watch they gang-rape the mother, and slash her breasts off. And sometimes for variety, they make the parents watch while they do these
things to the children.

This is nobody's propaganda. There have been over 100,000 American witnesses for peace who have gone down there and they have filmed and photographed and witnessed these atrocities immediately after they've happened, and documented 13,000 people killed this way, mostly women and children. These are the activities done by these contras. The contras are the people president Reagan calls `freedom fighters'. He says they're the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. And the whole world gasps at this confession of his family traditions.

Read Contra Terror by Reed Brodie [1], former assistant Attorney General of New York State. Read The Contras by Dieter Eich. [4] Read With the Contras by Christopher Dickey. [2] This is a main-line journalist, down there on a grant with the Council on Foreign Relations, a slightly to the right of the middle of the road organization. He writes a book that sets a pox on both your houses, and then he accounts about going in on patrol with the contras, and describes their activities. Read Witness for Peace: What We have Seen and Heard. Read the Lawyer's Commission on Human Rights. Read The Violations of War on Both Sides by the Americas Watch. [15] And there are many, many more documentations of details, of names, of the incidents that have happened.

Part of a de-stabilization is propaganda, to dis-credit the targeted government. This one actually began under Jimmy Carter. He authorized the CIA to go in and try to make the Sandinistas look to be evil. So in 1979 [when] they came in to power, immediately we were trying to cast them as totalitarian, evil, threatening Marxists. While they abolished the death sentence, while they released 8,000 national guardsmen that they had in their custody that they could have kept in prison, they said `no. Unless we have evidence of individual crimes, we're not going to hold someone in prison just because they were associated with the former administration.' While they set out to launch a literacy campaign to teach the people to read and write, which is something that the dictator Somoza, and us supporting him, had never bothered to get around to doing. While they set out to build 2,500 clinics to give the country something resembling a public health policy, and access to medicines, we began to label them as totalitarian dictators, and to attack them in the press, and to work with this newspaper `La Prensa', which - it's finally come out and been admitted, in Washington - the U.S. government is funding: a propaganda arm.

[Reagan and the State dept. have] been claiming they're building a war machine that threatens the stability of Central America. Now the truth is, this small, poor country has been attacked by the world's richest country under conditions of war, for the last 5 years. Us and our army - the death they have sustained, the action they have suffered - it makes it a larger war proportionally than the Vietnam war was to the U.S. In addition to the contra activities, we've had U.S. Navy ships supervising the mining of harbors, we've sent planes in and bombed the capital, we've had U.S. military planes flying wing-tip to wing-tip over the country, photographing it, aerial reconnaissance. They don't have any missiles or jets they can send up to chase us off. We are at war with them. They have not retaliated yet with any kind of war action against us, but we do not give them credit with having the right to defend themselves. So we claim that the force they built up, which is obviously purely defensive, is an aggressive force that threatens the stability of all of Central America.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Stockwell/StockwellCIA87_2.html

 

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[betsy]

2 hours ago, hot enough said:

The US doesn't do war, they do illegal invasions,

 

hahahaha what invasion of any country is ever  legal to the ones being invaded?

 

Who decides what "legal invasion," is.  The UN?  If the UN decides to invade all Islamic nations, and enforce democracy.....I suppose you'll be okay with that?  That would make it "legal" to you?  

I say it is legal to invade a troublesome nation that's deliberately causing harm to another nation. 

So yes, I would agree that invading troublesome Islamic nations should be legal!  

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by betsy

[hot enough]

16 minutes ago, betsy said:

hahahaha what invasion of any country is ever  legal? 

None of the over 70 US illegal invasions, Betsy. And here you are, christian Betsy making light of the slaughter of tens of millions, innocents who only wanted to have the "freedoms" you sheeple chortle about. People who only wanted to use their resources for their children, their country folk, and you are trying to make excuses for vicious war criminals/terrorists/thieves/rapists/torturers/... . 

Are you happy with women having their breasts slashed off, are you happy that US proxies do the same to their children? Have you got a happy face emoticon to describe your joy for these atrocities?

Edited August 7, 2017 by hot enough

[betsy]

2 hours ago, hot enough said:

The piffle queen hurling her lies. All refugee problems the world over, the US has had a major hand in. 

Why can't the US extend these freedoms, this way of life, these values to the poor countries of the world? That is SUPPOSED to be what and who they are. 

The US doesn't because it seeks their wealth, just like common thugs, Mafia, the most evil and vicious gangsters.

The following is not the exception, it is the rule, it is what the US has done to myriad countries all over the world. It can only happen because the US has the best propaganda system the world has ever known. 

 

That's the way of the world.  The strong and powerful can do anything. 

Thank God it's not a country like Libya, or Irag, or Zimbabwe, or Iran.....

 

Anyway.....you think Islamists problems just sprouted overnight?   That there wasn't any long-term planning involved?  What's been the goal of Islam practically since its founding - isn't it to take over the world?

 

Even Churchill warned about the danger of Islam!   That's a century ago - before Trump!

 

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Then in 1921, in a speech to the House of Commons, he spoke of a militant Islam sect, the Wahabis, more violent than any in history, which would kill their own sisters for wearing the wrong attire.

These fierce zealots would terrorize the West with bomb-carrying Jihadists who would burn embassies and destroy buildings by their passion to sacrifice their lives for guarantee of Islam heaven.

Winston Churchill II would read his grandfather’s speech to President George W. Bush in the White House in 2007. If Churchill didn’t exactly predict 9/11, he described its radical extremist perpetrators.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/30/happy-birthday-winston-churchill.html

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[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, betsy said:

That's the way of the world.  The strong and powerful can do anything. 

Thank God it's not a country like Libya, or Irag, or Zimbabwe, or Iran.....

No, that isn't the way of the world, Betsy the christian. Nuremberg, and largely the USA established that that was the opposite of what "the strong and powerful can do". That silly idea was deeply condemned and I must say that I am shocked that you think it is a christian ideal. 

All those countries you have mentioned have had millions slaughtered by the US/UK. Get rid of the shovel, Betsy, your hole is deep enough. 

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Anyway.....you think Islamists problems just sprouted overnight?   That there wasn't any long-term planning involved?  What's been the goal of Islam practically since its founding - isn't it to take over the world?

I've heard that goofy propaganda a lot. I'm not surprised a person of your intelligence buys it. Just consider, had there been any plan, any real plan, the number of westerners who would have died by now would be in a very high range indeed. Instead, it's the other way around. Millions of others, always from  poor defenseless countries that the US/UK can steal from, have been slaughtered; something that you fine, upstanding, moral western folks seem awfully comfortable with. 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No, that isn't the way of the world,

 

Yes it is...and it includes Canadian and many other nations advancing their own economic interests over the locals, from mining to petroleum to military alliances and export sales.

Nano thermite pixie dust cannot change this reality.

[blackbird]

40 minutes ago, hot enough said:

None of the over 70 US illegal invasions, Betsy. And here you are, christian Betsy making light of the slaughter of tens of millions, innocents who only wanted to have the "freedoms" you sheeple chortle about. People who only wanted to use their resources for their children, their country folk, and you are trying to make excuses for vicious war criminals/terrorists/thieves/rapists/torturers/... . 

Are you happy with women having their breasts slashed off, are you happy that US proxies do the same to their children? Have you got a happy face emoticon to describe your joy for these atrocities?

Did you know McDonald's restaurants was started in 1954 by an American businessman?   Today McDonald's feeds at least 1% of the world's population in over 100 countries.  American (and Canaian) supermarkets of full of fruit, vegetables, and foodstuffs that many parts of the world only dream of.   We in America and Canada have great wealth with automobiles, homes, computers, TVs, and many other material goods.  Many people have good-paying jobs or pensions.  They enjoy several weeks paid holidays, they get lots of long weekends like this one we are on now.  The opportunity is available for many.  Many people dream of coming to live in America and many come in illegally to reap the benefits of the good life. Meanwhile in Russia, the former USSR, people are lining up a grocery stores to try to get a few things.  There are shortages.  The people in the former USSR have suffered greatly since the communist revolution in 1917.  Millions of people were murdered just as millions more were murdered by Chairman Mao tse Tung in China.  America, the leader with it's military might has kept the west free.  Tyrants abound in the world and are threatening the west; even right at this moment in N. Korea. Thanks to the U.S. we enjoy great prosperity and freedom.  We might have been taken over by the USSR long ago or Hitler would control the world if the U.S. had not brought it's military might into the battle in WW2.  You should appreciate the U.S. and west's military strength instead of criticizing the west.  You probably enjoy all the benefits of our prosperity and freedom daily, but you show no appreciation, but exactly the opposite.

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[PIK]

27 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No, that isn't the way of the world, Betsy the christian. Nuremberg, and largely the USA established that that was the opposite of what "the strong and powerful can do". That silly idea was deeply condemned and I must say that I am shocked that you think it is a christian ideal. 

All those countries you have mentioned have had millions slaughtered by the US/UK. Get rid of the shovel, Betsy, your hole is deep enough. 

I've heard that goofy propaganda a lot. I'm not surprised a person of your intelligence buys it. Just consider, had there been any plan, any real plan, the number of westerners who would have died by now would be in a very high range indeed. Instead, it's the other way around. Millions of others, always from  poor defenseless countries that the US/UK can steal from, have been slaughtered; something that you fine, upstanding, moral western folks seem awfully comfortable with. 

Thank god for USA. Just imagine if it was not them in charge, all the idiots here would not have a safe forum to spout off thier nutty conspiracy theories.It is so sad that there are people here that think the world did not start till GW was in power. And that everyone was living ;large till america showed up. Have the west done things right all the time no, but certainly have helped out more countries and people then anyone else. Who saved the muslim butt in bosnia and other places AMERICA.  Look at countries run by Isam, shit holes and will always be. Why do they all want to come here or america, think about it. Nothing but savages and need to be dealt with harshly.And to the women that support Islam, go live in a Islamic country and see what happens to you, when you open your mouth.

[betsy]

46 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No, that isn't the way of the world, Betsy the christian.

Believe it or not, it's the battle between good and evil. 

Without the USA.....the landscape across the world would be very different.  Maybe, there wouldn't be any democracy at all.

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[betsy]

3 hours ago, hot enough said:

 

Why can't the US extend these freedoms, this way of life, these values to the poor countries of the world? That is SUPPOSED to be what and who they are. 

 

Duh?  Where have you been?

Didn't you see the summit with Islamic states in Saudi Arabia?

 

Do you think extending freedoms is simply like waving the magic wand?  Sorry to bust that bubble (I don't know what kool-aid fountain you drink from, or the fairy tale you read).....but, it isn't so simple to topple a despot, you know.  Especially so when you tie the hands and feet of the country that tries so hard to do so.  At the first American boot hitting the ground, I bet you shrill the loudest in protest over the "illegal  invasion!" 

Edited August 7, 2017 by betsy

[jacee]

24 minutes ago, betsy said:

It's the battle between good and evil.  

Sometimes evil masquerades as 'good' to trick gullible people.

The destruction of Syria by the USA and allies is pure greed, pure evil.

So was Iraq.

So was Afghanistan.

Anywhere in the world where there is conflict, you can bet the US corporatocracy is doing its evil work to take control of the government and its finances, and the country's resources.

John Perkins, author of 'Economic Hitman' calls it 

"mutant ... viral ... predatory ... capitalism"

It is US based, and it is evil.

 

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[betsy]

7 minutes ago, jacee said:

Sometimes evil masquerades as 'good' to trick gullible people.

The destruction of Syria by the USA and allies is pure greed, pure evil.

So was Iraq.

So was Afghanistan.

Anywhere in the world where there is conflict, you can bet the US corporatocracy is doing its evil work to take control of the government and its finances, and the country's resources.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10214304439504038&id=1207924665

 

You may be confused as to what is good and evil to you.........but I'm not.

There's no trick involved when we know that despotic rulers like boko harams and Isis would no doubt execute gays and lesbians, and promiscious women especially those who have abortion....... and feminists.....and liberals  like you.   Did you forget about that?

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[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, betsy said:

Duh?  Where have you been?

Didn't you see the summit with Islamic states in Saudi Arabia?

Where have you been? Two illegal US/UK invasions of I & A. Terrorist actions, illegal invasions against Libya, Syria, Ukraine, ... .

Over 92% of the US's time as a country spent at war. Really, Betsy, you don;t have a clue about virtually anything you discuss. 

 

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Do you think extending freedoms is simply like waving the magic wand?  Sorry to bust that bubble (I don't know what kool-aid fountain you drink from, or the fairy tale you read).....but, it isn't so simple to topple a despot, you know. 

Again, you know squat about what you speak. The despots are/have been US installed or US supported despots. Despots is all the US does. It isn't easy to steal others wealth when you have real democracies and the US does not do democracy. 

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Especially so when you tie the hands and feet of the country that tries so hard to do so.  At the first American boot hitting the ground, I bet you shrill the loudest in protest over the "illegal  invasion!" 

Th US has no right to invade any country. The US has only done illegal invasions, OVER 70 since WWII. The US's hands are hardly tied. Where do you come up with this nonsense.

[scribblet]

17 hours ago, taxme said:

Anyone know today as to how long does a legal or illegal have to wait to become a Canadian citizen? I can't keep up all with the changes that the liberals like to createand pretty much for the worse. 

No English requirements for over 54 and just 3 years residency including part time, also Trudeau is protecting the citizenship of convicted terrorists.  The next federal election should be Oct. 2019 but he could wait another year if he wanted to.  

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nano thermite pixie dust cannot change this reality.

You are so juvenile. 

I know you love war crimes and war criminals, rapists, ... . How many USA war crimes have you participated in?

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[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, scribblet said:

No English requirements for over 54 and just 3 years residency including part time, also Trudeau is protecting the citizenship of convicted terrorists.  The next federal election should be Oct. 2019 but he could wait another year if he wanted to.  

Such empty heads these conservatives. Canada has long protected US war criminals and US terrorists.

[scribblet]

16 hours ago, taxme said:

Harper was just another puppet on the zionist strings who had to go along with whatever wars those zionists have created. There is not one politician that will dare go against the orders of their zionist masters, and if they did, well their political career is over. Stop trying to act like this is not so. Try doing some internet searching on the zionist subject. David Duke and Brother Nathanael will give you the real low down on the zionist hoe down.  

Toto - I'm not in Kansas anymore

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, betsy said:

You may be confused as to what is good and evil to you.........but I'm not.

 

Jacee described the world as it is, not some Hollywood US fantasy propaganda bullshit, Betsy. The facts are easily available. Only one country has ever been convicted of international terrorism, the USA. Only one country has been condemned for a 14 century by the UNGA for it terrorism against the poor country of Cuba, the USA. 

No country has illegally invaded over 70 nations since WWII and installed brutal, right wing dictators, slaughtering tens of millions, but the USA. And the US is supposed to be the good guys. 

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There's no trick involved when we know that despotic rulers like boko harams and Isis would no doubt execute gays and lesbians, and promiscious women especially those who have abortion....... and feminists.....and liberals  like you.   Did you forget about that?

Those groups arise as a direct response to US/UK invasions, US slaughter of the people, the children, US stealing their wealth. The CIA long ago warned of blowback caused by the evil the US was doing. You have to be some special kind of fool to think that people are going to put up with US predation forever. Had the US never invaded those plus 70 times, the world would be trading with each other and there would be almost no refugee problems. People could live and make a living in their own countries. 

Haiti is a great example. It was denuded by western nations, its wealth stripped, mostly by the US. That is pure evil, to repeatedly, wantonly, viciously stealing the wealth/bread from children's mouths. So much for US nonsense about free trade, capitalism, free and open markets, it's all pure deep bullshit!

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Toto - I'm not in Kansas anymore

I've noticed that you do prefer/feel most comfortable in truth free zones.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

No country has illegally invaded over 70 nations since WWII

 

Why do these nano ranters always stop at WWII ?   Do they think the Age of Empires started then ?

[hot enough]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Why do these nano ranters

More juvenile behavior from the lover of the most vicious of US war crimes and terrorism, which is all of it. 

The US is not an empire. It's a war criminal/ terrorist/deeply evil "country". You know this and to cover it you prevaricate, fabricate, finger point when there isn't anyone that comes close to your deeply evil "country".

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, hot enough said:

More juvenile behavior from the lover

 

Love the USA, just like millions of legal and illegal immigrants, including Canadians.

WWII is often a nano ranter's historical demarcation because the big, bad, evil USA was very useful then...and it still is now.

Canada's foreign minister sure thinks so:

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“In blood, in treasure, in strategic vision, in leadership, America has paid the lion’s share” of the cost for building an international system after World War II on the foundation of free trade, U.S. military and diplomatic alliances, and liberal rules and institutions for governing how countries conduct themselves and resolve disputes. “For their unique, seven-decades-long contribution to our shared peace ‎and prosperity, and on behalf of all Canadians, I would like to profoundly thank our American friends,” Freeland said.

 

 

[eyeball]

On 8/5/2017 at 11:53 AM, capricorn said:

How would you know that I didn't whine about it back when Conservatives did it? Did you research my past posts? If not STFU about it.

Prove that you whined about it.

[hot enough]

None of your propagandist drivel changes the facts. The USA is the most evil country that has ever existed. It is largely made up of evil war mongers, folks like you who delight in seeing children slaughtered. How many illegal invasions have you participated in? Or are you still playing Star Wars in your parents' basement?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

None of your propagandist drivel changes the facts.

 

You can't handle the facts....or your complicit dependence on them.