Peter F Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 and again no knowledge of the cases approved or rejected. You have a gut feeling, a suspicion, but no facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 21, 2017 Report Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Peter F said: and again no knowledge of the cases approved or rejected. You have a gut feeling, a suspicion, but no facts. Just logic and the definition of what constitutes a refugee - which is not applicable to Haiti - or, for that matter, Somalia. What, you think these people are neutral and unbiased? Unaffected by the government of the day? Why do you think the acceptance rate has skyrocketed since Trudeau came to power? Coincidence? Edited October 21, 2017 by Argus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 On 8/5/2017 at 6:54 AM, capricorn said: The Liberal government was warned by senior immigration staff that a crisis was looming with regard to refugees and our ability to handle it. Immigration Minister Ahmed Hussen was cautioned that there will be a need to review refugee related policies in response to the growing number of refugees entering Canada. Couple this with Trudeau's open invitation to the world that Canada will welcome one and all with open arms. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ahmed-hussen-migrants-briefing-1.4235843 If we are so well prepared to absorb hundreds, soon to be thousands, of refugees streaming in from the US, how come we have to house them in a sports arena like so many head of cattle. Mixed messages have been emanating from the Liberal government on this matter. Is it to much to ask that the government develop cohesive policies and take decisive action on this pressing situation? An update seeing that no one here will nor the media or the RCMP anymore will but so far this year in Canada there has now been over 35,000, I repeat 35,000 of these so-called refugees that have entered Canada illegally. That is up from 24,000 in 2016. Of the 13,000 refugee claims being filed by these criminal migrants, only 300 have been processed this year. Half of these illegal criminals have been granted refugee status while they all wait for their hearings. These illegals have been granted work permits, and have access to health care. It 's no wonder our medicare and social services are pretty much bankrupt, and jobs for some Canadians jobs are difficult to find. Guess who is taking some of those jobs? Your tax dollars at work, folks. It amazes me again as to why so many members here were all concerned and oh so worried about Trump when all this criminality was going on and which should have been the main topic of conversation in Canada. And than there are people who knock me for visiting alternative news websites where without them I would not know about the amount so far as to how many criminal illegals have entered Canada. We are being swamped and invaded by foreigners who should have never been allowed into this country. It's bloody shocking, and a crime. Source: Right Edition. Try visiting that website and learn something for a change rather than keep listening to the fake and phony left wing liberal media like the CBC/CTV/Global who refuse to keep us informed about all these criminals entering Canada. Anyway, there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Is the sky falling yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Don't know about the sky falling, but taxes sure are rising. Gotta pay for all this crap some how dontcha know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 On 17/11/2017 at 10:39 AM, AngusThermopyle said: Don't know about the sky falling, but taxes sure are rising. Gotta pay for all this crap some how dontcha know. Taxes are rising because of refugees? Prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, jacee said: Taxes are rising because of refugees? Prove that. Refugees and taxes are rising for the very same fundamental reason, our means of controlling how our governments behave is completely inadequate - we simply don't have the tools we need to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 There are other ways to help people besides importing them to Canada. They can also be helped by providing appropriate aid in their homeland. Obviously if that's not possible they have a case to become a refugee, but otherwise we should be selective in allowing too many people in as refugees who don't properly qualify. That is misguided if not blatant abuse of the system, and it's not in the interests of Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: There are other ways to help people besides importing them to Canada. They can also be helped by providing appropriate aid in their homeland. Obviously if that's not possible they have a case to become a refugee, but otherwise we should be selective in allowing too many people in as refugees who don't properly qualify. That is misguided if not blatant abuse of the system, and it's not in the interests of Canada. All of the refugees admitted to Canada have been screened in the camps in Europe and again here. https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2017/02/24/refugee-vetting-in-us-and-canada-already-extreme-experts-say.html Edited November 19, 2017 by jacee Add link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, jacee said: All of the refugees admitted to Canada have been screened in the camps in Europe and again here. https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2017/02/24/refugee-vetting-in-us-and-canada-already-extreme-experts-say.html Yes security is all fine and well but do they "qualify as refugees", as mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yes security is all fine and well but do they "qualify as refugees", as mentioned? Obviously that's part of the screening process. Look it up. Edited November 19, 2017 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 19, 2017 Report Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, jacee said: Obviously that's part of the screening process. Look it up. The question was raised here about people running away from deportation in the US, like the Haitians for example, are they eligible for claiming refugee status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 hours ago, jacee said: Taxes are rising because of refugees? Prove that. Are you saying refugees don't cost anything? That we can feed, house, clothe and look after the health care and other necessities of tens of thousands of third world people who don't speak English and have no job skills for nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 5 hours ago, jacee said: All of the refugees admitted to Canada have been screened in the camps in Europe and again here. https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2017/02/24/refugee-vetting-in-us-and-canada-already-extreme-experts-say.html Nonsense. The screening is done in a haphazard fashion and largely consists of taking their word for where they come from and that they aren't and haven't been fighters for any particular group. Unless they have a record with some western agency there's little to contradict them. You can't screen forty thousand people in a couple of months with any real credibility. Can't be done. Refugee panels, just like immigration officers, are under intense pressure to achieve numeric goals for admittance. Refusal takes a lot more time and documentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, jacee said: Obviously that's part of the screening process. Look it up. Explain how Syrians (except for Christians or Yazidis), Somalians or Haitians qualify under the UN definition of refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 8 hours ago, jacee said: Taxes are rising because of refugees? Prove that. Are you saying that refugee's don't cost Canadians anything? Prove that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The question was raised here about people running away from deportation in the US, like the Haitians for example, are they eligible for claiming refugee status. Read the link I posted above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, jacee said: Read the link I posted above. Here is, once again, the actual definition of refugees. Clearly Haitians don't qualify. Nor do Somalians. "A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, Argus said: Here is, once again, the actual definition of refugees. Clearly Haitians don't qualify. Nor do Somalians. "A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it." http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp More info there. I am not sure whether those arriving are being processed as refugees, or as regular immigrants. It would be good to clarify that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, jacee said: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp More info there. I am not sure whether those arriving are being processed as refugees, or as regular immigrants. It would be good to clarify that. Everything on that cite says that Haitians and Somalians should not be recognized as refugees, except in a very, very few, unusual circumstances. Yet we're hearing that the mostly Haitians who crossed the border at Quebec who have gotten hearings have been accepted at a 70% rate. Since Haiti is not at war and there is only one race/religion and the place is basically run by the UN I fail to see how they're qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 22 hours ago, jacee said: Read the link I posted above. I read the link, that's what I was already commenting on. Thanks Argus for posting relevant info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 On 11/19/2017 at 3:04 PM, OftenWrong said: The question was raised here about people running away from deportation in the US, like the Haitians for example, are they eligible for claiming refugee status. Even more so IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 23 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said: Are you saying that refugee's don't cost Canadians anything? Who cares? We have more money than we know what to do with so...Pile it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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