NKorea's Latest Missile Can Reach Alaska

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You like dictators?

Do you like war criminals and terrorists who pretend to be liberators yet only install brutal right wing dictators? 

[Moonlight Graham]

17 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Do you like war criminals and terrorists who pretend to be liberators yet only install brutal right wing dictators? 

No.  But that doesn't answer my question.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Moonlight Graham

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

No.  But that doesn't answer my question.

It does indeed because it points to the only major problem in the world today, the same problem that there has been for well over a century. The one that has been pounded into your brain, which prevents you from seeing the problem. 

Castro is a hero to most Cubans. Consider what they, the Cuban people would have had if the US had actually liberated them as promised way back in 1898. Cuba had an economy bigger than Italy. But instead the US raped and pillaged Cuba like it has done to so many countries. Then when the US DICTATOR, Batista, was thrown out the US, the big powerful, benevolent, kind USA put a crippling, genocidal embargo on Cuba. 

Dictatorships are the only method countries have found that can stop the predacious behavior of the USA. 

 

[Moonlight Graham]

15 minutes ago, hot enough said:

It does indeed because it points to the only major problem in the world today, the same problem that there has been for well over a century. The one that has been pounded into your brain, which prevents you from seeing the problem. 

Castro is a hero to most Cubans. Consider what they, the Cuban people would have had if the US had actually liberated them as promised way back in 1898. Cuba had an economy bigger than Italy. But instead the US raped and pillaged Cuba like it has done to so many countries. Then when the US DICTATOR, Batista, was thrown out the US, the big powerful, benevolent, kind USA put a crippling, genocidal embargo on Cuba. 

Dictatorships are the only method countries have found that can stop the predacious behavior of the USA.

You're very condescending, you don't think I know how the world works oh wise one!

Of the list I wrote, the Castro regime was/is far and away the best (or least worst).  i'm not disagreeing with you. He did care about Cubans, he protected them from US aggression, but also did terrible things to them. He was reportedly worth hundreds of millions of dollars (900 million says Forbes, but who knows the real # he & his family are worth) that he stole from the Cuban people.  Capitalist and communist elites, both greedy pigs.

[hot enough]

15 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

You're very condescending, you don't think I know how the world works oh wise one!

Of the list I wrote, the Castro regime was/is far and away the best (or least worst).  i'm not disagreeing with you. He did care about Cubans, he protected them from US aggression, but also did terrible things to them. He was reportedly worth hundreds of millions of dollars (900 million says Forbes, but who knows the real # he & his family are worth) that he stole from the Cuban people.  Capitalist and communist elites, both greedy pigs.

I'm going to have to really try to not be condescending. Perhaps you might want to check your facts instead of spewing propaganda. Had Castro stolen hundreds of millions [jesus h murphy!] his lifestyle would have reflected that. Really, how gullible can you be? Castro stipulated, no streets, buildings, anything named after him. 

You keep concentrating on people who did what they felt they had to do to keep the US from murdering their people. The kind and benevolent one has slaughtered tens of millions since WWII, in countries where they "were saving the oppressed"!

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not exactly - there are two Diomedes that are 4 km or so apart, one being Russian and one American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diomede_Islands

 

...and on a clear day, one can see across the 40 km or so to the mainland...both ways.

 

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I only meant cold war Cuba, not cold war N. Korea.  I meant present-day N. Korea, i'll edit my post to correct the language.

No worries.

[Moonlight Graham]

22 minutes ago, hot enough said:

I'm going to have to really try to not be condescending. Perhaps you might want to check your facts instead of spewing propaganda. Had Castro stolen hundreds of millions [jesus h murphy!] his lifestyle would have reflected that. Really, how gullible can you be? Castro stipulated, no streets, buildings, anything named after him.

It's good that Castro wanted to avoid the cult of personality, I commend him for that, but that has nothing to do with his net worth.  Regarding his net worth, who do you believe? The western capitalist propaganda or the Castro regime communist propaganda?

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You keep concentrating on people who did what they felt they had to do to keep the US from murdering their people. The kind and benevolent one has slaughtered tens of millions since WWII, in countries where they "were saving the oppressed"!

So did the USSR, and the Castro regime would do the same to maintain it's monarchy grip of power, and tortured, jailed, and murdered many Cubans who opposed them.  I'm not defending the many terrible things the US or other western countries have done. If you want to fight the oppressors, then you have to fight all oppression, even by those you or I think are "the good guys". The world isn't black & white.

I won't be responding to this sub-discussion any more in this thread so the thread can stay on-topic, if you want to continue this conversation please PM me or start a new thread.

[Michael Hardner]

36 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

...and on a clear day, one can see across the 40 km or so to the mainland...both ways.

 

Now THAT I didn't know...

[Hal 9000]

So, If Trump has to take preemptive military action against NK, is the left going to support this or are they gonna play the old "see, Trump is starting WW3" game?

[GostHacked]

5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

To be fair to crazy Sarah, you can see Russia from the Diomede Islands. 

North Korea is just catching up .. And it's about time.

[sharkman]

Maybe the next time Dennis Rodman goes over to North Korea, Jimmy Carter should be sent along with him, to negotiate a new treaty since North Korea ignored the last one, and all of the various UN sanctions.  Come on, Jimmy!

[Guest]

Just now, sharkman said:

Maybe the next time Dennis Rodman goes over to North Korea, Jimmy Carter should be sent along with him, to negotiate a new treaty since North Korea ignored the last one, and all of the various UN sanctions.  Come on, Jimmy!

Maybe just drug Rodman before he goes, and plant a remote activated tactical nuke in his belly.  Give him some Rolaids and put him on the plane...

[capricorn]

Kim Jong-un is flexing his muscles, not just to make threats against the US and his other enemies, but to impress North Koreans. He needs to have the populace cowing in fear that should they provoke their President he would turn his rage against them. As I see it, all long lasting dictators have used this ploy to hold their iron grip on power.

[sharkman]

On 7/5/2017 at 6:31 PM, bcsapper said:

Maybe just drug Rodman before he goes, and plant a remote activated tactical nuke in his belly.  Give him some Rolaids and put him on the plane...

The Clinton administration is responsible for giving nukes to North Korea, and the Obama administration is responsible for giving nukes to Iran.  Anyone who wears the badge of a liberal/democrat/progressive has to develop denial regarding these outcomes.  This is what the lead up to WWII must have been like when Chamberlain got Hitler to sign a treaty and then declared "peace in our time".  

Either one of these countries, perhaps Trump could deal with.  But the both of them, along with China's Island land grabs and Russia's Syrian adventures will prove too much.  Europe is toothless.  The left in the US is dragging down Trump and would rather see his presidency failed(and their country brought lower than it's ever been) than see Trump create any kind of lasting peace.  The next few years will be memorable.

[Guest]

Not to worry...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/07/treaty-banning-nuclear-weapons-approved-un

[eyeball]

On 7/5/2017 at 10:27 AM, DogOnPorch said:

So? Friends are close...enemies are best kept even closer. Lest he do something rather surprising...

Much like eyeball, you'll only be happy when Russia, NK, Red China and the USA are exchanging nukes. And even then, you'd complain about the disparity between US accuracy and their counterparts on the receiving end...

Hey that Chinese one was a good 5 miles off target! I blame Trump!

Liar.

I said I'd be a lot happier when we stop settling our differences with dictators by launching our own inter-continental dictators at people.  These are at least as dangerous as any other weapon of mass destruction in our arsenal and certainly the filthiest given the indiscriminate manner in which we use them. 

So yeah, the disparity really is quite grotesque. 

[Spiderfish]

On 07/05/2017 at 0:54 PM, hot enough said:

Castro is a hero to most Cubans.

Castro was a hero to most Cubans because he was a ruthless dictator who demanded total and complete loyalty from his people. Dissent was not tolerated, many spent years wasting away in abysmal prisons.

You talk of others being gullible, yet you can't seem to grasp that the only reason that Cubans showed loyalty to their brutal leader was not of free choice, but of brutal repression.

[hot enough]

1 hour ago, Spiderfish said:

Castro was a hero to most Cubans because he was a ruthless dictator who demanded total and complete loyalty from his people. Dissent was not tolerated, many spent years wasting away in abysmal prisons.

You talk of others being gullible, yet you can't seem to grasp that the only reason that Cubans showed loyalty to their brutal leader was not of free choice, but of brutal repression.

You are gullible, Spiderfish, so much so that all you can do is repeat the same old US propaganda. The world, the entire UNGA, save for the US and Israel, has condemned US terrorism against Cuba for the last 1/4 century. 

Why don't you talk of the brutal, right wing dictatorships that the US supported in Cuba, ever since 1898, when the US pretended it was going to free Cuba from evil Spain, and all the US did was rape and pillage these countries even more? 

[hot enough]

On 7/7/2017 at 1:18 PM, sharkman said:

The Clinton administration is responsible for giving nukes to North Korea, and the Obama administration is responsible for giving nukes to Iran.  Anyone who wears the badge of a liberal/democrat/progressive has to develop denial regarding these outcomes.  This is what the lead up to WWII must have been like when Chamberlain got Hitler to sign a treaty and then declared "peace in our time".  

Either one of these countries, perhaps Trump could deal with.  But the both of them, along with China's Island land grabs and Russia's Syrian adventures will prove too much.  Europe is toothless.  The left in the US is dragging down Trump and would rather see his presidency failed(and their country brought lower than it's ever been) than see Trump create any kind of lasting peace.  The next few years will be memorable.

You can tell how uniformed you are by who likes your post, sharkman. capricorn and dop liked yours. When has the US ever brought peace? A country that has illegally invaded over 70 times is not interested in peace. A country that has been at war for 93% of its years in existence is not interested in peace. 

The US has been trying to overthrow the government of Syria for years. That is textbook terrorism. 

Trump is a royal idiot and it is testament to your poor judgment that you can't see that. He is a doofus, a liar of gigantic proportions among presidents who are all world class liars.

 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎07‎-‎05 at 7:50 PM, GostHacked said:

North Korea is just catching up .. And it's about time.

Makes perfect sense you   sympathize with and cheer on a sociopath with penis anxiety.

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Rue

[OftenWrong]

Their missiles can reach the east coast now. That means every one of us is under the North Korean gun. Except for those members posting from the middle east- Omni, hot enough, Jacee.

Trump has succeeded in getting unanimous support from the UN Security Council. Key players in this are Russia and China, both of which voted in favour. Getting their support and ensuring compliance by all involved is crucial. But I don't think this alone will be enough. Kim Jong Un is a madman.