The Ill feeling between left and right on immigration

PIK · August 8, 2017

On 8/6/2017 at 3:32 PM, Omni said:

Unless of course the topic is immigration.

Our racist immigration policies???

Omni · August 8, 2017

3 minutes ago, PIK said:

Our racist immigration policies???

Care to clarify?

taxme · August 8, 2017

1 hour ago, Omni said:

Care to clarify?

I will try and clarify for you. At one time approx. 80% of our new immigrants came from Britain, Europe and Australia. And that had nothing to do with being racist. That is just how things were done in those days, and rightly so. It was the Caucasians who founded and built up this country, not non-Caucasians. Although in later years non-Caucasians did eventually help in the building up of this country. Anyway after the sixties that was reversed. Now the majority of new immigrants are coming from non-Caucasian countries which makes no sense at all.

A nation of Caucasians will not try and allow themselves to become a minority or commit racial suicide on purpose. But thanks to our present immigration policy of today it would appear as though there is racism going on here by allowing more non-Caucasians to immigrate to Canada than Caucasians who were once Canada's main source of immigrants decades ago. Conspiracy? Dam right there is. Our present day immigration policy is racist against Caucasian people. Comment?

Argus · August 8, 2017

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Our racist immigration policies???

It's not racist in intent. It is racist primarily because the governing parties prefer newcomers from third world countries. Such people are grateful to the party which brought them in and tend to vote for them. By contrast, people from Europe, who are generally much more politically sophisticated in terms of democracy, are not likely to think the party in power when they arrived is in any way responsible for them getting here, and will vote as they decide, in no predictable order.

If you read the OP about "Open" vs "Closed" personality types you will see that Trudeau is a texbook Open type. He has little respect for traditions or sense of patriotism, puts little thought into the future, and loves novelty and change. He doesn't really care much about dull, soulless things like budgets, and will delight in being around as wide a variety of cultures and peoples as possible, so literally does not care how many immigrants or refugees come in. He certainly spares not a thought as to how that might change Canada for the worse. Change is good, if you're an open type. Lorrie Goldstein described Trudeau's feeling in a column not long ago.

The federal Liberals always used to talk about Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s “hidden agenda” to remake Canada in his image. So today, let’s discuss Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s open agenda to remake Canada in his. The first hint came when Trudeau told The New York Times Magazine in December, 2015, that, “there is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada,” which makes us “the first postnational state.” Trudeau did add that Canadians have “shared values” such as “openness, respect, compassion, willingness to work hard, to be there for each other, to search for equality and justice.”

But in Trudeau’s “postnational” Canada, none of these “shared values” are important enough, apparently, for us to screen potential immigrants and refugees for, to see if they share them as well. Remember the Liberal (and Red Tory) hysteria when Conservative leadership candidate Kellie Leitch suggested we do that? Once you understand this about Trudeau, everything he says and does with regard to his concept of Canada becomes understandable.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/05/trudeaus-unhidden-agenda

Edited August 8, 2017 by Argus

PIK · August 8, 2017

1 hour ago, Omni said:

Care to clarify?

My response is for decades we have been poaching the best and brightest from these poor countries. So how in hell are these countries going to get better when all the smart ones are leaving. Time for some tough love and end it .

Edited August 8, 2017 by PIK

Omni · August 8, 2017

23 minutes ago, taxme said:

I will try and clarify for you.

Thanks for trying but you didn't do a very good job. First of all I think you are confused as to the difference between an immigrant and a refugee. The immigration system in Canada is based on a point system and it's rather tough. "Are you educated, are you immediately employable, do you speak English, do you have means of support, how old are you etc." It doesn't say "what color is your skin", which seems to irk some of our more xenophobic members but that's their problem.

Refugees do get some advantage because of the fact Canadians tend to be compassionate toward people who are fleeing war torn counties, but they are also screened. Perhaps we should put more effort into ending or not starting those foreign wars. I would venture a guess there are a lot of Syrian refugees who would prefer to stay in their home is Damascus, if it hadn't been blown to smithereens.

taxme · August 8, 2017

8 minutes ago, Omni said:

Thanks for trying but you didn't do a very good job. First of all I think you are confused as to the difference between an immigrant and a refugee. The immigration system in Canada is based on a point system and it's rather tough. "Are you educated, are you immediately employable, do you speak English, do you have means of support, how old are you etc." It doesn't say "what color is your skin", which seems to irk some of our more xenophobic members but that's their problem.

Refugees do get some advantage because of the fact Canadians tend to be compassionate toward people who are fleeing war torn counties, but they are also screened. Perhaps we should put more effort into ending or not starting those foreign wars. I would venture a guess there are a lot of Syrian refugees who would prefer to stay in their home is Damascus, if it hadn't been blown to smithereens.

If Canada's present day immigration policy were reversed, and we once again started to take more immigrants from our once main source I would not have a problem with Immigration. But until then I will not sit idly by and watch a nation commit racial suicide just to please Trudeau or anyone of his ilk. What you don't seem to understand is that Canada is a Caucasian country and that alone makes us unique. When we go to Japan, China, India or Africa for a visit it is the people and the color of their skin and culture that makes that country unique. There are millions of Caucasians that want to immigrate to Canada but there seems to be a priority for allowing more immigrants from non-white countries these days. This needs to be halted.

Trying to preserve ones race and culture is not racist although there are people like you here who want to make it appear racist. What I say to them is go get lost. Works for me.

Omni · August 8, 2017

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

If Canada's present day immigration policy were reversed, and we once again started to take more immigrants from our once main source I would not have a problem with Immigration. But until then I will not sit idly by and watch a nation commit racial suicide just to please Trudeau or anyone of his ilk. What you don't seem to understand is that Canada is a Caucasian country and that alone makes us unique. When we go to Japan, China, India or Africa for a visit it is the people and the color of their skin and culture that makes that country unique. There are millions of Caucasians that want to immigrate to Canada but there seems to be a priority for allowing more immigrants from non-white countries these days. This needs to be halted.

Trying to preserve ones race and culture is not racist although there are people like you here who want to make it appear racist. What I say to them is go get lost. Works for me.

Where do you think Caucasians come from? You need a little primer on biological anthropology. Oh yeah I forgot, you eat a lot of popcorn. Disregard.

Hint: Caucasians are not all white skinned.

Edited August 8, 2017 by Omni

Michael Hardner · August 8, 2017

38 minutes ago, taxme said:

When we go to Japan, ...

Japan is a good example of homogeneity's ill effects. Racial suicide will kill off people like you, and dilute your ideas which is a good thing in my books.

scribblet · August 8, 2017

On 8/6/2017 at 0:35 PM, WestCoastRunner said:

Apologise for your hyperbolic, shrill, hysteria that you try to use to inflame everyone. I don't think so. I'm on to your agenda. Some folks are just too gullible to see it.

Wow, quite a lot of inflammatory not to mention untrue comments. You need to apologize.

bush_cheney2004 · August 8, 2017

Canada's well documented history of very racist immigration policies was replaced with a system that achieves similar net results through a mix of temporary worker residency and permanent points/skills based access/status. Canada wants the cheap foreign labour and "professionals", but that doesn't mean jobs are readily available.

http://thefulcrum.ca/features/facts-behind-canadas-immigration-policy/

Omni · August 8, 2017

13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Canada's well documented history of very racist immigration policies

Are certainly no comparison to America's well documented history of slavery.

bush_cheney2004 · August 8, 2017

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Are certainly no comparison to America's well documented history of slavery.

Slavery was not immigration, even for the many slaves in Canada.

Omni · August 8, 2017

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Slavery was not immigration, even for the many slaves in Canada.

Well that's true, your slaves didn't want to come across the sea to be beaten and forced to work in your fields , you boys had to go get 'em.

bush_cheney2004 · August 8, 2017

Just now, Omni said:

Well that's true

Of course it is true. Far more legal and illegal emigres have voluntarily chosen the U.S. over Canada.

Must be the weather.....

jacee · August 8, 2017

What we're talking about:

2017 quotas and trends

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/31/canada-immigration-quota-2017

The government said it was establishing 300,000 as a new baseline for the admission of permanent residents, with the majority of those allowed into the country to be selected as economic immigrants.

2016 immigration from countries

2016 refugees from countries

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/record-number-of-refugees-admitted-to-canada-in-2016-highest-since-1980-1.3382444

According to the UNHCR, the top five countries of origin in 2016 were:

Syria: 33,266
Eritrea: 3,934
Iraq: 1,650
Congo: 1,644
Afghanistan: 1,354

...

“Becoming a refugee is never a choice,” Beuze said. “It’s a decision you have to make to save your life and the lives of your children.”

Edited August 8, 2017 by jacee

Omni · August 8, 2017

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Of course it is true. Far more legal and illegal emigres have voluntarily chosen the U.S. over Canada.

Must be the weather.....

Does this latest rant from trump about "fire and fury" mean Fat Kim is no longer invited to the WH for dinner?

taxme · August 9, 2017

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Japan is a good example of homogeneity's ill effects. Racial suicide will kill off people like you, and dilute your ideas which is a good thing in my books.

The Japanese people are a smart people. They are not as stupid as the white race is. They do not want to be diluted by other races of people and their weird culture which is the opposite to what you appear to want to happen against white people here in Canada. The Japs pretty much said that multiculturalism can go kiss their ass. And yes indeed the day could come when I am killed off by one of your favorite non-white immigrants but in the end those same immigrants may just knock you off one day, and that would be a blessing and a good thing in my books for Canada, and the rest of the Caucasian world. But hey.

Personally, I have no love for you either. Just saying.

bush_cheney2004 · August 9, 2017

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

....Personally, I have no love for you either. Just saying.

Indeed....it is not appropriate for a moderator to encourage "racial suicide" against another member.

Weird....

taxme · August 9, 2017

3 hours ago, jacee said:

What we're talking about:

2017 quotas and trends

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/31/canada-immigration-quota-2017

The government said it was establishing 300,000 as a new baseline for the admission of permanent residents, with the majority of those allowed into the country to be selected as economic immigrants.

2016 immigration from countries

2016 refugees from countries

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/record-number-of-refugees-admitted-to-canada-in-2016-highest-since-1980-1.3382444

According to the UNHCR, the top five countries of origin in 2016 were:

Syria: 33,266

Eritrea: 3,934

Iraq: 1,650

Congo: 1,644

Afghanistan: 1,354

...

“Becoming a refugee is never a choice,” Beuze said. “It’s a decision you have to make to save your life and the lives of your children.”

Those immigrants from the first five countries are just what Canada needs. More people from cultures that are not compatible with our Canadian culture and values. Why is the UK and the USA on the bottom of the list? What happened to Australia also? These people are more compatible with Canadian culture and values so why are they not being allowed to immigrate to Canada en masse like those other top fives are? Out of the twenty five countries shown above only five are Caucasian countries. Talk about a country that is trying to commit racial suicide. Canada appears to want to be on that road to oblivion. For a country like Canada that for now is majority Caucasian, why can't anyone here see that there is something wrong with this picture? But I guess that if you are all for Caucasian racial suicide like some here appear to be then I guess that they see nothing wrong with the picture. It will be their children and grandchildren that will end up being on the losing side. Sad indeed.

taxme · August 9, 2017

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Indeed....it is not appropriate for a moderator to encourage "racial suicide" against another member.

Weird....

I agree. That moderator should be ashamed of himself for saying such a thing against another member here. But I won't cry about it. I will just let him have his day.

Thanks.

Edited August 9, 2017 by taxme

Michael Hardner · August 9, 2017

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Indeed....it is not appropriate for a moderator to encourage "racial suicide" against another member.

I have done no such thing. I have aspirations for the demise of opinions only, thanks.

Michael Hardner · August 9, 2017

58 minutes ago, taxme said:

But I won't cry about it.

You're always crying about the demise of your made-up race. Nobody cares, and after you're gone even fewer will. You should find another hobby as the current one will eat at you as the country becomes beiger and beiger. Maybe try collecting war memorabilia.

OftenWrong · August 9, 2017

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're always crying about the demise of your made-up race. Nobody cares, and after you're gone even fewer will. You should find another hobby as the current one will eat at you as the country becomes beiger and beiger. Maybe try collecting war memorabilia.

Hey that's not nice.