US vs Iran

[Argus]

59 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

If Lebanon, Jordan and Syria had a whole bunch of destructive missiles to hit and destroy the heart of Tel Avis they would have never been so frequently attacked and their defenseless people bombarded and its many civilians killed. You may say it was because of terrorist attacks against Israel and I say then kill those terrorists not the innocent defenseless women and children who are the victims of terrorists themselves. 

If Lebanon, Jordan and Syria had not attacked Israel or repeatedly permitted attacks to be launched on Israel from their territory there would have been no violence. In fact, Jordan hasn't seen any attack from Israel since it made war on them decades ago. Syria largely sees no attacks from Israel either, or didn't until its government lost control of its border areas to guerrillas. Terrorists occasionally launch attacks on Israel from the Sinai but since Egypt tries very hard to suppress them this does not lead to attacks or interventions from Israel. The only state which has seen much in the way of counter attacks is Lebanon, and that's because it's weak central government has no control over Palestinian terrorist groups like Hezbollah in its south.

Iran makes itself Israel's enemy out of nothing more than religious bigotry and chauvinism. It cannot stand the thought that any portion of what it regards as Muslim territory, however small, should be ruled by a non-Muslim government.

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Since you are a fan of history, you know the CIA's involvement with the Iran Coup attempt some decades ago. That would be a good partial explanation as to the why. I mean you seems to know who and why for everything else, but fail to mention that here.

 

You have zero context otherwise you'd immediately recall the 1946 Iran Crisis. This I can see.

[kactus]

17 hours ago, Argus said:

If Lebanon, Jordan and Syria had not attacked Israel or repeatedly permitted attacks to be launched on Israel from their territory there would have been no violence. In fact, Jordan hasn't seen any attack from Israel since it made war on them decades ago. Syria largely sees no attacks from Israel either, or didn't until its government lost control of its border areas to guerrillas. Terrorists occasionally launch attacks on Israel from the Sinai but since Egypt tries very hard to suppress them this does not lead to attacks or interventions from Israel. The only state which has seen much in the way of counter attacks is Lebanon, and that's because it's weak central government has no control over Palestinian terrorist groups like Hezbollah in its south.

Iran makes itself Israel's enemy out of nothing more than religious bigotry and chauvinism. It cannot stand the thought that any portion of what it regards as Muslim territory, however small, should be ruled by a non-Muslim government.

Very blinkered and biased view from you for the provision of this context especially when you ignore the repeated threats to attack Iran coming from BIBI in the US congress and at home over many years to please his crowd. If I remember correctly it was him who falsely accused Iran of crossing a red line of getting close to nuclear bomb...Turned out to be complete hogwash as nuclear watchdog as well as the P+5 confirmed there has been no nuclear activity since that agreement....

Anyway this thread is not about Israel and you do have the tendency to side track and linking everything to Israel for reasons known only to you...Afterall the Israeli policymakers are not worried about nuclear armed Iran. What they are worried about or at least was the case till a few years ago was the fact that a nuclear armed Iran will tilt the balance of power in favour of Iran in the Middle East. This is not from a military perspective as Israel has over 200 nuclear warheads at its disposal! This is from political perspective...This is why this has never stopped fear mongers to scare the sh@te out of everyone that there will be arms race between the Persian Gulf Arab countries and Turkey but nevertheless hasn't stopped the US and other countries to sell arms to the Saudis and arm them to the teeth on multi billion contracts under the premise that they are under threat from Iran. Plays quite nicely with Israelis....

Edited February 13, 2017 by kactus

[drummindiver]

The rest of the world is starting to bow to Iran. US next? Canada is a foregone conclusion.

https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/

[dialamah]

17 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

The rest of the world is starting to bow to Iran. US next? Canada is a foregone conclusion.

https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/

 

The link doesn't work, and even going on the unwatch.org site and searching for the story doesn't work.   

[DogOnPorch]

59 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The link doesn't work, and even going on the unwatch.org site and searching for the story doesn't work.   

https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/

Works fine.

 

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GENEVA, Feb. 13, 2017 — In a statement that has gone viral on Twitter and Facebook, UN Watch, a non-governmental human rights NGO in Geneva, expressed disappointment that Sweden’s self-declared “first feminist government in the world” sacrificed its principles and betrayed the rights of Iranian women as Trade Minister Ann Linde and other female members walked before Iranian President Rouhani on Saturday wearing Hijabs, Chadors, and long coats, in deference to Iran’s oppressive and unjust modesty laws which make the Hijab compulsory — despite Stockholm’s promise to promote “a gender equality perspective” internationally, and to adopt a “feminist foreign policy” in which “equality between women and men is a fundamental aim.”

 

Edited February 13, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[Wilber]

1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

The rest of the world is starting to bow to Iran. US next? Canada is a foregone conclusion.

https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/

So you should walk into some else's country and spit on their traditions. The issue of women wearing hijabs etc or not is for the Iranians and other Muslims to sort out, not Swedes.

[drummindiver]

14 minutes ago, Wilber said:

So you should walk into some else's country and spit on their traditions. The issue of women wearing hijabs etc or not is for the Iranians and other Muslims to sort out, not Swedes.

Yes,  for other muslims. 

As for making non muslim female politicians from visiting countries who nay have different faiths do it? Absolutely not.  

I'm sure you were in favour of Trudeau making our female politicians cover up and go through the back door though.

[sharkman]

When a guest dignitary is visiting a country, shouldn't they feel welcome to observe their own norms rather than conform immediately?  To expect them to cover up shows a lack of respect for them and the nation that they represent.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, kactus said:

Very blinkered and biased view from you for the provision of this context especially when you ignore the repeated threats to attack Iran coming from BIBI in the US congress and at home over many years to please his crowd.

As I said, the only reason Iran is Israel's enemy is because Iran has repeatedly committed acts of war against Israel by funding an providing weapons to terrorists who attack Israel and because Iran's leadership continually threatens to destroy Israel. This is absolute and undeniable fact.

3 hours ago, kactus said:

Anyway this thread is not about Israel and you do have the tendency to side track and linking everything to Israel for reasons known only to you.

Someone claimed Iran needed ballistic missiles to defend themselves from Israel. Any logical reply would point out that the only reason Iran needs to fear Israel is because of Iran's behavior. Not that logic ever has any place in your ideologically driven positions, of course.

 

[Wilber]

1 hour ago, drummindiver said:

Yes,  for other muslims. 

As for making non muslim female politicians from visiting countries who nay have different faiths do it? Absolutely not.  

I'm sure you were in favour of Trudeau making our female politicians cover up and go through the back door though.

We don't know if they were asked or if they just did it voluntarily. You don't go to an audience with the Queen and dictate to her what protocols you will or won't observe. My wife and I aren't religious but when it was required, she covered her head if she was in a Catholic church. I always remove my hat when I am in a church. It is done out of respect, not submission. Westerners going to other countries with the attitude they are going to do whatever they want because that's the way they do it and don't care if it is offensive, is what pisses people off. It's the kind of thing that has us invading other countries because we know better and they should be just like us, only to turn the place into a basket case because we were never wanted there in the first place and really don't know shit about them.

These people were in Tehran to sign a trade agreement, their responsibility is to the people of Sweden, not Iran. If the agreement was being signed in Stockholm, I would agree with you 100%

[drummindiver]

Just now, Wilber said:

These people were in Tehran to sign a trade agreement, their responsibility is to the people of Sweden, not Iran. If the agreement was being signed in Stockholm, I would agree with you 100%

Ideals and principles should not be for sale. If you are Christian,  you don't wear garb signifying you are muslim,  wherever you may be

[Wilber]

15 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Ideals and principles should not be for sale. If you are Christian,  you don't wear garb signifying you are muslim,  wherever you may be

Who says they are Christian?

[drummindiver]

21 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Who says they are Christian?

Are they muslim?

No.

 

[Wilber]

Just now, drummindiver said:

Are they muslim?

No.

 

So?

 

 

[drummindiver]

Just now, Wilber said:

So?

 

 

Why would you dress up as a muslim if you weren't one? 

I'm an atheist and Icertainly wouldn't. 

Why would any person of any  denomination do it,  or be expected to?

[Wilber]

4 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Why would you dress up as a muslim if you weren't one? 

I'm an atheist and Icertainly wouldn't. 

Why would any person of any  denomination do it,  or be expected to?

Do what you want, I don't have to justify what I would do to you. The people of Sweden will decide if this was acceptable to them. No doubt they won't all agree either.

[Goh Shenas]

6 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Why would you dress up as a muslim if you weren't one? 

I'm an atheist and Icertainly wouldn't. 

Why would any person of any  denomination do it,  or be expected to?

I am a nudist. How should I go to an atheist gathering?

[Wilber]

Lots of things have dress codes. If I turn up at a golf course wearing a tee shirt and jeans, I will probably be told to go and change if I want to play.

[Goddess]

17 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Lots of things have dress codes. If I turn up at a golf course wearing a tee shirt and jeans, I will probably be told to go and change if I want to play.

A dress code for golfing lets everyone know you are a golfer.

This "dress code" is to let everyone know you are a piece of crap woman and inferior to men.

[Wilber]

Just now, Goddess said:

A dress code for golfing lets everyone know you are a golfer.

 

 

I'm living proof that dressing like a golfer doesn't make one a golfer.

 

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This "dress code" is to let everyone know you are a piece of crap woman and inferior to men.

Maybe and I don't like that idea either, but trying to impose your values on a culture you don't understand is a very risky policy and liable to blow up in your face.

[DogOnPorch]

These women submitted to their Iranian Muslim male superiors...as they should according to the Quran.

Good girls.

[Goh Shenas]

4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

These women submitted to their Iranian Muslim male superiors...as they should according to the Quran.

Good girls.

Yeah. It is all because of religion. You said it boy.

As a nudist I would rather like to see them naked for these events. Make us all equal

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Avoid thread drift. 

[Wilber]

46 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

These women submitted to their Iranian Muslim male superiors...as they should according to the Quran.

Good girls.

Pretty condescending towards these women don't you think? Of course being a guy, you will never be put in that position so it is easy to be critical.